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    A Brief History of the DLC, and Where Do We Go From Here?

    The roots of the thinking that led to the creation of the Democratic Leadership Council(DLC) go way back, and there are arguably many different starting points. I choose to start in 1972, when George McGovern’s insurgent campaign of youthful supporters took over the Democratic Party and delivered the nomination to a true peace candidate, and a true Social Democrat in the Western European sense of the term.

    I turned 14 that year, and was instructed by my “social studies” teacher, an ignorant rightwing Texas high school coach, to debate the best and the brightest students of the class after me and one other guy named Fred, who was much like Sean Penn’s Spicoli character in Fast Times at Ridgemont High, were the only two in a class of 30 who said we would vote for McGovern if we could. He wanted to put us long-haired pinko commies in our place.

    Fred and I prepared for a week, and debated the clean-cut Republican scions of upper middle class doctors and lawyers using McGovern’s social democratic platform as our main rhetorical weapon. Then the class voted again: McGovern 16, Nixon 14. The outraged coach took us to the equally outraged Vice Principal’s office, where we were suspended for anti-American activity. Needless to say, my dad hit the roof and called on some of his many Texas Democratic Party contacts, like state senators and Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez, who made a few phone calls. Fred and I were swiftly reinstated and the coach and Vice Principal were disciplined by the school district.

    Unfortunately, McGovern only got 38% of the popular vote and carried only Massachusetts and the District of Columbia. Much of the Democratic leadership panicked, and started changing primary rules to give more weight to the more conservative South in an effort to head off another McGovern. This helped Jimmy Carter in 1976, but his social democratic VP, Walter Mondale, still got the nomination in 1984 and got 41% of the popular vote, and just Minnesota and DC in the electoral college.

    Democrats like Bill Clinton and Al Gore decided that since Nixon and Reagan both had huge campaign war chests funded by corporate interests, that they had to do the same to win. For these self-styled New Democrats, winning wasn’t everything, but the only thing. It didn’t matter that their progressive, New Deal-style economic principles had to be sacrificed, and wealthy business interests were more than happy to oblige. They determined to make the rules so that Democrats like them were guaranteed to win the presidential nomination, and the DLC was born.

    Bill Clinton’s triumph in 1992 over an obviously out-of-touch Poppy Bush(who marveled at grocery store bar codes just weeks before the election) in the midst of a recession came after a populist campaign that promised to kill or at least reform NAFTA, expand the earned income tax credit, “reform” welfare in some vague way that would “reward work,” and create an economy that would benefit everyone by government and business “working together.” There was also a lot of emphasis on the rights of various identity politics groups of people. The old Progressive/New Deal idea of the federal government defending workers and poor people from abuse by powerful businesses was given minimal lip service.

    The DLC’s true colors became apparent very quickly. Clinton DID expand the earned income credit, but reversed himself by fast-tracking NAFTA with the aid of Republicans, destroyed the old welfare system that allowed poor families to remain intact by the Personal Responsibility and Work Reconciliation Act(PRWORA), showed how business, or at least Wall Street banking, and government could work together by repealing Glass-Steagall. Clinton also enabled the cancerous growth of the Arkansas retailer Wal-Mart by means of the Work Opportunity Tax Credit(WOTC), which reimburses businesses for 6 to 9 months of a new employee’s minimum wage income if said employee had been receiving any kind of public assistance when hired. Other employers were quick to jump on that gravy train.

    The WOTC does not penalize employers for firing or harassing employees until they quit, so they are constantly getting new workers, and then using our tax dollars to pay their meager wages. It also doesn’t penalize employers for paying workers so little that they are still eligible for public assistance. Wal-Mart swiftly expanded across America, especially in small towns and rural areas, driving truly small businesses under and frequently monopolizing all retail sales, including groceries, in entire counties. Wal-Mart then rewarded the Clintons by appointing Hillary to their board of directors after Bill left the White House.

    Clinton did more Bad Things in the name of corporate profit, like encouraging private for-profit prisons and attacking free public education and…well, whole books have been written on these subjects. You get the idea.

    Gore would have just been more of the same, and Obama clearly was the epitome of DLC policies and tactics. Possibly the best con artist in history, Barack Obama used oratorical skills comparable to Cicero and Churchill to bamboozle most American voters into believing that he at least really wanted to bring change they could believe in. He certainly fooled me in 2008. What he brought were more imperial military adventures and the greatest transfer of wealth from the working and middle classes to the top 1% in the history of humanity. The 2016 presidential election, which probably will have one of the lowest voter turnouts ever, was a categorical rejection of the DLC and the New Democrats.

    That’s great news for those of us on the left, but how do we best take advantage of this great opportunity? DLCers and corporate interests are deeply entrenched in the Democratic Party. The election of Wall Street toady Chuck Schumer as Senate Minority Leader and the probable retention of Nancy Pelosi as House Minority Leader pretty much prove this. The rules of the DNC were written by the DLC and are still intact. As the Donald creature accurately said, the Democratic primary system was rigged, and it still is.

    We clearly need to expand and grow the movement which Bernie Sanders’ supporters started, and we need to gain at least significant support in rural and small town America. Those people have been ground down just as hard as my inner ring suburban and urban neighbors have been, and that ain’t right, either. Sanders proved such support exists by winning rural state after rural state in the primaries. For such a movement to succeed, I firmly believe it must be class-based, as in the working and middle classes against the wealthy and comfortable corporate and power elites. As Jim Hightower has said, they’ve been waging class war against us for generations; it’s time for us to get together and fight back. Identity politics is the tool which corporatists in both parties use to divide us, and it won’t bring us the changes we need. I could go on and on about that, but now is not the time.

    But is the Democratic Party the right vehicle? I don’t think it is; at least not at first. I think we can use the Greens, who at least already have the beginnings of a national party infrastructure, as that vehicle, at least at first. If the Democrats strongly move in a truly populist economic direction as they did under FDR and LBJ, then we can support them again. I, for one, am from Missouri on this one. They have to show me that they really mean it by their actions first. Until they do, I think it’s a mistake for those of us on the left to place any faith or energy in the Democratic Party. If you disagree, please feel free to try to convince me I’m mistaken. I will listen.

    Thanks for your time, and have a nice day.

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    • goodgirl (2020 posts)
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      1. One correction…Hill was on Walnart board when he was Govenor.

      JI’m sure she passed along many of their ideas to Bill.  I think the Democratic party is hopeless unless a lot of elected Dems step up like Bernie did.  We have been sending them a message they are not getting.

      Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
      • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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        3. In that case I stand corrected.

        To use a Bushism, I misremembered. In that case, the Clintons acted in Wal-Mart’s interests when they were in the White House.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
    • Haikugal (4256 posts)
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      2. We need to get rid of this notion that we have to be a party, seriously. I left

      the Dems years ago and only signed on because I wanted to vote for Bernie in the Primary. I did Demexit and I registered Green. Wrote in Bernie for the GE here in swing state PA.

      I will never go back because the corruption is too rampant and I don’t have the energy or inclination to spend endless time arguing with shills. I want to get busy and get something done. We must act if we want a future on this planet that doesn’t involve a bunker of one type or another.

      Either or, who cares…. :shrug:

      Good effort, thanks for this post! Welcome to JPR and keep up the good work!! :hi:

        Be the bird.....
      • Cleita (1815 posts)
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        4. I'm done with belonging to a party too.

        My politics and ideology haven’t changed. Theirs have and I don’t think any party is where I’m at today. I do want to see a movement of FDR social Democrats join together with Green, Reformers and other left wing people so we can bridge differences and have the numbers to influence the changes we want. We can’t just let a small group of elitists run things anymore and that’s what happens when they take over a party on either side of the aisle.

        • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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          6. You may be right, but without organization, planning, and…

          mobilization of large numbers of people to vote and pressure the government nothing will ever get done. History has taught me that hierarchy is a necessary evil. Humans are social animals, and always have lived in communities where some folks have authority over various aspects of the communities. The question is, what kind, and who decides who decides what?

          "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
          • Cleita (1815 posts)
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            7. I'm an old woman and not organizing anything, but there are

            people in my community who are and whom I’m in touch with. I can honestly say that the local Dems are dinosaurs, but wresting power out of their cold, bony hands isn’t going to be a struggle that will be won. It’s better that we look outside of that institution and form our own.

          • djean111 (2701 posts)
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            8. And YOU may be right, but the Democratic Party will not be that vehicle.

            It is completely riddled and raddled with The Third Way, and any attempt to look otherwise will be just a coat of cheap paint.

            You think the only reason that people won't vote for a warmongering Third Way fracking-enabling cluster bomb throwing H-1B increasing lying pandering corporate and Wall Street shill who says she has no problem putting abortion rights on the table is because we are mad about Bernie?  Um, nope.
            • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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              10. Thanks. I love your signature line, too. nt

              "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
              • djean111 (2701 posts)
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                12. Oh, good, I was afraid you thought I was snapping at you!

                I will be keeping my sig line as a reminder, when I read how it was merely mysogyny or racism that kept me from voting for another woman.

                I don’t think the Greens are a good vehicle; on a national level, the name just reminds  people I know of tree-hugging.  Not a way to run a country and interact with the world.  Their platform doesn’t matter if most are not inspired to read it, and that is on the Greens, to inspire.  We need a new party with a new name, and the enthusiasm and skills of the Bernie supporters.  Like me.  

                You think the only reason that people won't vote for a warmongering Third Way fracking-enabling cluster bomb throwing H-1B increasing lying pandering corporate and Wall Street shill who says she has no problem putting abortion rights on the table is because we are mad about Bernie?  Um, nope.
                • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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                  13. You have a valid point. I'm not sure what we should call it.

                  I was born when Eisenhower was President. I’ll leave the naming to the younger generations that have been screwed by the policies to which my generation acquiesced. Sorry about that, but most of us didn’t listen to people like me back then. I feel bad about that.

                  "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
                  • exindy (1303 posts)
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                    16. The timeframe is very significant

                    During that time the memory of the depression was very fresh. As was the sacrifices all the people made during WW2. Except for a very small part of the population, that subliminal imprinting would have established your view of the world for the rest of your life.

                    Unless a person is very aware of the conditions that existed before FDR and that occurred during WW2, they would never appreciate the changes that occurred.

                    Over the last 30 years the true conditions in that same part of the country that was so devastated during the depression is being repeated today in that same area.

                    Disclaimer: This post should in no way to be construed to be pro-Trump, nor should it be considered to be a support of his actions.
          • Greenwich (1743 posts)
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            40. 50 years of voting on hack-able computers and rigging of elections —

            with the GOP/DP now official one — the question for me is whether I will vote at all.

             

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      • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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        5. I voted for Jill Stein because write-in ballots are not counted in Ohio.

        I think the Greens are a better vehicle for us than the Democrats are. Kinda reminds me of a seen from Reds, where Jack Reed writes, “Some say we must support Woodrow Wilson because he kept us out of the war, and he says he will continue to keep us out of the war, but who knows the mind of a Democrat?”

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
        • exindy (1303 posts)
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          17. Bernie wasn't an "approved" candidate for a write-in.

          I did it anyway. Nobody going to tell me who I’m allowed to vote for.

          Disclaimer: This post should in no way to be construed to be pro-Trump, nor should it be considered to be a support of his actions.
    • mrdmk (216 posts)
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      9. K & R, also sent a PM for consideration for the Home Page Daily Radical

      • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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        11. I'm so new here that I don't understand the significance of that.

        But it sounds good; so thank you very much.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
        • Baba OhReally (256 posts)
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          44. Fairly new myself

          Actually new to this whole thing. Never had been to the site many others came from, and this is the first site I’be begun to occasionally post to. But since no one else has come to your aid, perhaps I’ve learned enough in my few months here to help. I believe “K & R” means “Kick and Rec” i.e. a strong recommendation, while “PM” is a private message, in this case to an Administrator (or maybe a Moderator?) or some such authority figure to put this post on the Daily Radical, which you will  notice @marym625 has done. At least, that’s what I think it all means, but of course, I could be all wrong….

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          • Marym625 (13849 posts)
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            45. Exactly right

            And it’s up on The Daily Radical!

            Feel free to ask me anything. :)

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      14. Going on The Daily Radical

      Having just moved to Texas, I see there’s been little change over the years. Read the first few paragraphs to my bff and she just cracked up and said, “yep!”

      Sorry for the delay in getting this up. I’m so far behind it’s daunting.

      Great post!

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      • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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        19. I totally understand about being behind.

        I work in a bureaucracy, after all. 

        And thank you.

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          20. Thank you!!

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      15. Very well done piece.

      I’d suggest posting it in other places but I don’t think there are many other places that would appreciate it. Seems like just about all the forums are filled with deflections and distractions pushing the meme that the people should never have abandoned their one chance to achieve a global utopia.

      It’s too bad there is no way to get it into the mainstream and too often a good piece like this disappears when a forum archives it or the forum ends (DI comes to mind, as well as many pieces on SV). In any case I’m adding it to my personal collection of articles. I’ll make sure I offer an attribution when I pass it on but I’m afraid it’ll be nothing more than “Ohio Barbarian” on JPR.

      Thanks.

      Disclaimer: This post should in no way to be construed to be pro-Trump, nor should it be considered to be a support of his actions.
      • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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        18. Thanks. nt

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
      • Marym625 (13849 posts)
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        22. You can use the share things at the top right of the post

        To tweet it, post it on Facebook or share it wherever. :)

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          25. Alas, I've been shunned by everyone.

          You guys are all I have left. (sniff)

          I can’t go there anymore cause I am held personally responsible for the results of the election. If I had only thrown in my support it would have swung the 15 point loss (or whatever it was) in this state.

          :)

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          • Marym625 (13849 posts)
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            26. That's some awesome power you have!

            You should be thrilled! :)

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    • Enthusiast (5479 posts)
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      21. Well done, Ohio Barbarian! I was 19 years old when I voted for McGovern.

      A few years before McGovern I had an Ohio high school teacher that was pro-Vietnam War. He was gung ho. Most of his class disagreed. He was also firm advocate of the Domino Theory. In 1972 most of the political establishment was still clinging to Domino Theory based foreign policy. I narrowly avoided military service because of a lucky lottery number.

      I am ready for a non-Third Way Democratic Party or no Democratic Party at all.

      They do not appear to have learned a thing from the loss.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
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      23. Nice essay, thanks for your time. I have but one question,

      am I the only person in the world that doesn’t think President Obama is a good orator?  Errr… I, I,I mean, he…… he just doesn’t seem to ahh, you um you know be able to just speak without um, oh, ei, ei, o, injecting some….. err some un… umm… unnecessary, what you would…. er perhaps…. call vocalizations.

      • exindy (1303 posts)
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        24. My impression was that he did better when it was prepared

        in advance and he had a chance to rehearse.

        Off the cuff he had to be careful he didn’t let his true internal out. That public versus private thing.

        Disclaimer: This post should in no way to be construed to be pro-Trump, nor should it be considered to be a support of his actions.
      • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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        29. The short answer seems to be "Yes."

        Of course his best speeches were prepared, but so were Cicero’s and Churchill’s. I think he has a gift for “soaring” oratory, and the, er, vocalizations you complain about were often deliberately interjected to give him a “homey everyman” feel. At least I think so. But yeah, I think Obama is as superb an orator as he is a con artist.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
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          30. We have to disagree about the loftiness of his oratory but

          I agree about his use of the ers and ums and the repeating of words such as I…I…I, because I too think much of it is used intentionally.

          I just can’t handle any more that a couple of minutes of him, even back when I was still giving him the benefit of the doubt with regards to his agenda his style grated on me.

          • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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            33. I haven't been able to listen to Obama since 2009…

            …without feeling ill. Ever since he said “Americans celebrate wealth. And they should!”

            "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
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              43. Kind of showed where his priorities were, didn't it?

    • Pacco Fransisco (2942 posts)
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      I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
    • jwirr (2612 posts)
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      28. As an old McGovernite I totally agree. In my case I am going to do both. I will

      lobby them, keep a score card of votes and watch to see for changes in the party structure both at the bottom and the top. If they are not take and they continue to support corporatists instead of populists my money and my vote will once again go only to progressives and the Greens. And that goes for the down ticket as well.

    • 2bAnon (3638 posts)
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      31. At the moment I have no faith in either the Greens or the Dems

      But I’m open to the possibilities of either one reforming themselves structurally, and strategically.

      the moment for both parties to get serious with what needs to be done respectively is upon them.

      Make hay while the sun still shines.

       

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    • MindMatter (64 posts)
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      32. That's a very useful and accurate history. But I ask, "So what?"

      In the US, one hopes that the way to make changes is to win elections.  Clinton and Obama won elections, but in doing so, they had to align themselves with such strong anti-American interests that on balance we went backwards as a society.  We can certainly point to individual victories like gay marriage and …. well, I can’t think of much else off the top of my head.  I sincerely celebrate that success on the part of our gay friends, but really — this is not enough.  In that same time, we have lost major ground on education, science in general, prosperity as a nation and wealth distribution.  We are dominated by climate deniers and people who want to privatize everything that moves — turning every proper government activity into an opportunity for cronies to make fortunes off the rest of us.  And we have completely lost the notion of a diligent, independent media that looks out for the good of the nation.

      But again, so what?

      We probably can’t win an armed revolution.  The crazies have more guns than we do.  It seems to me the only productive discussion is how can we start winning elections.

      That isn’t entirely bleak.  In fact, when you look at polling (to the extent that we can trust polls anymore), there is reason to believe the vast majority of people (70% or more) agree with progressive positions on health care, education, privatizing in general, job protection, the climate/environment, economic fairness and a whole long list of other issues.  Indeed, this is how Trump got elected.

      Trump is not progressive, obviously.  But he decided to take the issues of job protection and economic fairness as the centerpiece of his campaign.  He never said what he would do or how he would do it.  He just simply talked about those issues over and over.  There can be no doubt that is what gave him the last 10% that he needed to get over the top.  And another piece of good news is that Trump didn’t spend much money  compared to Clinton, Obama, Romney, or Bush.

      The Beltway talking heads love to claim that people like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren could not win because they are too unconventional.  But that is absurd.  We have perfect evidence with Trump.  Trump was anything but conventional and he won.

      It seems to me there is a fundamental question whether or not the Democratic Party is worth saving, or even if it CAN be saved at all.  As I see it, that is the first question to answer, and the first indication of that comes with who is selected as party chair.  Politics isn’t pretty or clean.  It is hard work.  It takes a lot more work than folks typing essays on their keyboards.  And it requires some compromise — ALWAYS.  The issue is how to make reasonable compromises that still allow us to remain on a course of progress.

      I know it is not a popular position on this forum, but we won when Howard Dean was Party chair.  He built an organization that won elections in nearly every state and developed the “farm system”.  In my view, we need leaders much more like Howard Dean than Donna Brazille and Debbie Wasserman-Shultz.  I’m not saying that Dean is the only possible choice, but the person who gets this position must meet the qualifications described by Robert Reich in his recent column.

      So I encourage everyone to focus on that struggle for the moment.  If we get another DLC-er , than I am out the door along with everybody else here.  But Jesus Christ is probably not going to be available for service, so anybody who demands a perfect candidate is part of the problem.  I don’t need perfection, but I need to see somebody who will be out there every single day reminding voters what Democratic principles are and what we are fighting for.

      • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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        34. Very thoughtful reply. Thank you.

        Violent revolutions are never won without either the active support or the benign neglect of the armed forces. History is replete with examples of both scenarios, and quite often in countries like this one where nearly everybody thinks “it will never happen here” because it never has before. I’m not advocating that, or predicting it, just saying it’s more possible than most people think. Possible does not mean probable.

        Real, positive change can happen through elections as well. Personally, I think organization and mobilization are both usually critical to success. I have to say “usually” because there was no real organization on the part of The Donald, and disgust with his opponent played a huge role in his win. I agree with you that Howard Dean’s farm system is a good organizational idea.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
        • MindMatter (64 posts)
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          38. An armed coup "more possible than most people think"

          Anybody who thinks that the American military steadfastly carries out every President’s whim is nuts.  There are lots of people in the chain of command and they can engage in a willful game of “telephone” where the President’s intentions can get twisted a bit along the way.  I don’t think there is anything new about that.  And there are certainly many cases throughout history where Generals, how shall we say, took some liberties with orders.

          I’d like to think that if Trump gets a hair up his butt at 3AM to either send a tweet or — I don’t know — fire a live nuke at Iran, somebody in the chain of command will find a way to “mess up that order” wink, wink.  But that is a hell of a situation for this country to be in, and I don’t know that there is any example of any modern President who is so superficial and capricious in his thinking.  Say what we will about Nixon, but is there anybody who thought he would set off nuclear war just because he’s feeling a bit bored?  President Cheney maybe, but at least W might have been able to slow him down.

          So these are unprecedented times in America.  I have no doubt that at this very moment, there are Generals having this very discussion — trying to decide how bad it would have to get before the Generals had to step in.

           

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            42. There were actually orders to IGNORE any commands from Nixon —

            as his paranoia increased.

             

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      35. It's important to note of the DLC's history that the Kochs were involved…

      in funding and staffing it, which gives you a clue why it pushed the corporatist mantra that it has over the years…

      http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

      https://samsmitharchives.wordpress.com/2015/04/14/6467/

       

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      • Ohio Barbarian (893 posts)
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        36. Yes, indeed!

        I didn’t go into all of the corporate funding in the interests of space, but I’m delighted that you pointed it out.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
        • cascadiance (1397 posts)
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          37. I think we're all starting to put on our glasses to see who these bums are!

          “They Live” now, but if we have anything to do with things in the future they will die in terms of their power in this party or the party itself will die!

          Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!                                                                                  
    • Greenwich (1743 posts)
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      39. Koch Bros. and other large corporations funded the DLC —

      Koch Bros. specifically recruited Bill Clinton — and Koch Bros. and other large corporations were represented on the Executive Board of the DLC.

      We also have to understand that Bill Clinton was one of the cooperating Governors in the CIA’s drug running/gun running operation at Mena.

       

       

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      41. Liberals have to stick together — staying with Dem Party isn't an option —

      number one because it belongs to Koch Bros. and other large corporations now — (the GOP, as well) —

      but number two …. because it would once again SPLIT the liberal vote.

      Liberals walked away from the Dem Party and took their power with them — and then they split their power between …

      votes for Trump, write-in’s for Bernie, votes for Bernie in some states — votes for the Green Party.

      If you want to defeat Elite/corporations, you don’t SPLIT your power.

       

       

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    • SandersDem (332 posts)
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      46. Great Post

      I would just want to ask you to expand on your final paragraph, perhaps your next daily radical?

      For example, I believe we should play an inside/outside game privately working together to affect real progressive change.  I know how to get the Democratic Party to change from within, but that is no easy task and it takes a whole lot of internally engaged people.  The good news is that Bernie is leading this change.  Will it work? Only time will tell.

      What I am really curious about is how does the Green Party affect change?  What are the action points?  Assuming the Green Party doesn’t need that much change from within (the ten tenants are great, mainly environmental), what needs to be done?

      I attended a Green party meeting after joining, I was very unhappy here with what I heard and I know the other new person there was not impressed either. He was an activist protester and wanted to know what plans the GP had for that.  The answer was,”we are terrible at organizing that kind of thing and need others to step up”

      Not damning the GP on this one experience at all, I just really really want to know what types of actions can bring real change?