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  • NJCher (1218 posts)
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    Are Trump Protests Linked to DNC/Clinton?

    H.A. Goodman wonders in this latest video. He goes over the connection with Creamer and the other guy (forgot name). It’s speculation; nothing certain, unless I missed something. Interesting because I don’t thinkn of H.A. as a speculator, nor is he far out.

    These two guys who were caught talking about inciting protests were connected to the DNC and they were fired. We know there is a propensity for this sort of thing with the DNC.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOBwDkXsaN4
    Cher

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    • NedDevine (384 posts)
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      1. I wouldn't doubt it

    • Rozinante (1620 posts)
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      2. Possibly some.

      And some are rumored to be organized by Soros-funded groups, like MoveOn.  And no doubt some are truly organic. It would be hard to sort it all out, and frankly I don’t care.

    • Bjorn Against (175 posts)
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      3. I think the protests are grassroots for the most part

      That is not to say there is no connection to the Democratic Party what so ever, but the party has never been real big on protest so it seems unlikely to me that they have a big role.

      • whispers (865 posts)
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        6. Well, I did get the notice to protests from

        Moveon, but deleted it.  I will go out to protest, but not in some way that I feel is more pro-Hillary motivated somehow.

        "There is no god higher than truth."  Gandhi
        • Bjorn Against (175 posts)
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          9. I am going to protest, but will not be supporting Hillary

          Hillary gave us Trump, it was her horrible campaign that alienated millions of people that allowed Trump to win.

          I will protest both Trump and Hillary.

          • whispers (865 posts)
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            10. Good.

            I just meant that the ones occurring right now might be more of a pro-Hillary angst.

            "There is no god higher than truth."  Gandhi
            • Bjorn Against (175 posts)
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              11. I know at least one of the MN protests was organized by Socialist Alternative

              Socialist Alternative is most definitely not pro-Clinton.  I am sure lots of Clinton supporters show up and participate and nobody chases them away, but there are definitely people who don’t like Clinton as well.

              • whispers (865 posts)
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                12. I am glad to hear that Socialist Alternative is

                involved.  I was just wary because of Moveon and the stuff that was circulating about George Soros, and I don’t want to be involved with that, where there are hired protestors as well.  I would go to one of those, SA was involved with if I could get there.  I don’t feel anathema to Clinton supporters as my two sisters are and I love them very much.  I just am not interested in any “manufactured” protest, as I am sure you are not either.  There is enough to protest that we don’t need party people agitating people…we are already agitated enough, I think.  Thanks for letting me know that they are real and motivated by people who are letting Trump know how they feel about racism, sexism, lack of tolerance, hatred and division.  I guess I’ve gotten a bit too cynical.   Again, thanks for informing me.

                "There is no god higher than truth."  Gandhi
      • LiberalElite (3194 posts)
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        15. IMO they're "grassroots" rather than grassroots eom

        I feel much better since I've given up hope
    • ThatGuy888 (165 posts)
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      4. No.

      I think that it’s mostly grass-roots. If I didn’t live two-hours away from Austin I would have gone to one myself and I voted for Stein.

       

      Trump is most likely going to be a national disaster. He and the Republicans are going to fuck things up with the power that they will have internally, with-in our borders. Hillary Clinton had a higher chance of fucking up the world with a US-Nato-Russian war. It’s on us to fight the Republicans, I just hope this doesn’t go into a civil war or need to, it would be ugly.

      • LiberalElite (3194 posts)
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        16. If she gets the EC to flip enough votes, IMO we will have civil war nt

        I feel much better since I've given up hope
        • ThatGuy888 (165 posts)
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          23. That wouldn't have been what I was protesting.

          It is what it is. If the Dems wanted a victory they shouldn’t have run Clinton. We do need to oppose bad Republican ideas and policy though, the Democratic Party probably won’t.

           

          There was a post a few days ago about a CNN reporter using his cameraman as a fake pro-Hillary demonstrator, on Democracy Now the protestor interviewed didn’t want to support Hillary at all. The actual non-CNN employee wanted to protest Trump’s plans like rounding up “illegals” and Muslims, his climate denial, his enabling of white supremacists, etc. How much of the later protests allegedly asking the electors to change their vote comes from the media?

          “If she gets the EC to flip enough votes, IMO we will have civil war”

          Flipping the electors would be the only way to make a Clinton Presidency worse.

           

          CNN interviews it’s own cameraman and is busted by anchor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdCk6gJqmoc

           

          From Democracy Now!’s transcript of the first night of protests:

          NATASHA ELENA: I think it speaks to the disenfranchisement of the people that someone like him could be seen as offering anything to the masses. I mean, I think Hillary is no savior either. I think she has an imperialist track record. I think she’s a very dangerous candidate. But I think Donald Trump’s ability to mobilize perhaps latent racist thoughts is incredibly terrifying, and it’s urgent to be out here today.
          PROTESTERS: Not my president!
          PROTESTER 1: Even though we can’t really change anything and we have to accept what has happened, we want them to know that we’re [bleep], like it’s—this is awful. And even though we can’t change anything, it feels good to stand together with my brothers, my sisters, with people that share my beliefs, and let everyone know that we are not OK with this.
          PROTESTER 2: He’s the epitome of a system that’s broken down into virtual reality, where we’re going on these false notions and premises, and nobody knows what’s real or why anymore. And it’s the painful underbelly that we need to wash away.

           

          http://www.democracynow.org/2016/11/10/not_my_president_tens_of_thousands

           

           

    • cyberpj (1946 posts)
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      5. What do you think? (Same exact tactic used against Bernie in Primary and

      for Dem convention seat fillers to keep Bernie supporters out)

      BREAKING : Bitter Soros Hiring Team of FULL-TIME Anti-Trump Rioters to Wreak Havok in America
      http://truthfeed.com/breaking-bitter-soros-hiring-team-of-full-time-anti-trump-rioters-to-wreak-havok-in-america/35093/

      Hillary Supporters Used Craigslist Ad To Hire Time-Square Rioters
      November 10, 2016

      The Anti-Trump Riots Happening Everywhere Were Created By George Soros.
      George Soros is using Craigslist to incite riots across America. Yes, these people who are pretending to be activists are actually just paid actors. They are hoping that once they already have a crowd of hired protesters real people will join in like sheep. Unfortunately they are probably right.

      https://therealstrategy.com/hillary-supporters-craigslist-ad-hire-time-square-rioters/

       

      Tactic used throughout the Primaries as well:

      Busted! “Actors Needed” to Fill Democratic National Convention Posted on Craigslist
      JULY 27, 2016 BY PPD STAFF

      https://www.peoplespunditdaily.com/news/politics/2016/07/27/busted-actors-needed-fill-democratic-national-convention-craigslist/

      ANTI-TRUMP PROTESTERS Admit Answering Craigslist Ad and Getting Paid to Protest Trump
      Jim Hoft Mar 23rd, 2016 9:15 am

      http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/03/anti-trump-protesters-admit-answering-craigslist-ad-and-getting-paid-to-protest-trump/

      Craigslist Ad: Get Paid $15 an Hour to Protest at a Trump Rally
      Mar 31, 2016 // 10:40am
      A Craigslist ad allegedly posted by Bernie Sanders supporters offered people $15 an hour to protest at Donald Trump’s rally in Janesville, Wisconsin, on Tuesday.

      The ad, which was removed from the site, said it would provide shuttle buses, parking and signs to protesters who attended the Republican presidential front-runner’s event, in addition to $15 an hour for up to four hours.

      "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" - Gandhi
      • NJCher (1218 posts)
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        8. that's some pretty amazing research, cyberpj

        I think Soros probably spent some seed money getting it started and now it’s going on its own.

        The power structure has been doing this for a long time. I recall when bush stole the first election and the resulting protests in D.C. on Inauguration Day. I was one of the organizers, so our organizing team was on the lookout for agents inciting violence. Here’s the funny part, though:  these agents provacateur were dressed up like hippies!  We laughed. They had crummy cardboard signs that they had put absolutely no effort into whatsoever. Like they ripped them off the top of a box and wrote “stop bush” in Magic Marker.

        The real protesters, of course, had magnificently designed signs and costumes.

        We had them spotted and we took photographs of them. They were so inept and so obvious. Their earpieces would fall out of their ears and they would cock their heads, trying to communicate with an earpiece that had fallen down their T-shirt.

        The funniest part of all was the hippie look. They knew so little about what real America thought that they came up with that for a look.  D.C. in a bubble.


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        • cyberpj (1946 posts)
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          13. Logged off early last night but did some quick local research before coming back

          to add to this info.

          Seems protests may be the first step to the program by Clinton/Soros Inc.

          Next is an attack on electoral votes and some attempt (?) to get them back?

          Here’s what I found on my nearest big city Craigslist (Philadelphia PA):

          Do you want Trump out of office? Here’s your chance to make it happen!

          http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/pol/5869448780.html

          That sends you here:

          (now going to look around jpr and see if this info has been shared yet…)

           

          "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" - Gandhi
          • Babel 17 (1835 posts)
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            17. I can't imagine electors risking being unfaithful without having support

            “Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason?

            For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.”

            http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/johnharing173129.html

            And who in the establishment would go out on a limb to support that? What big league paper would support it knowing that actual blood might be on their hands as a result?

            If more than just fringe groups push this, then Trump will have been made a victim of unprecedented treatment before even getting sworn in. It’s silly to hand him that kind of an undying talking point. People who push this idea will have marginalized themselves, perhaps permanently. The kind of risks of social unrest such a move, if seriously undertaken, would engender involve a serious level of hardship for millions of the most vulnerable. The stock market would crash, and take with it numerous pensions. Layoffs would be commonplace and municipal budgets would break overnight as people sought help, and emergency services got overwhelmed, and tax revenues plummeted. Municipal pensions would be next to go.

            The dollar would collapse and government borrowing could only happen at exorbitant interest rates. Goodbye everything discretionary in the budget, and say hello to huge increases in prices of everything imported.

            We’re not talking about flipping one state, which had a debatable outcome. I have to question the true motives of any group talking this up.

            • cyberpj (1946 posts)
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              18. My problem at this point is that neither She nor Obama have told anyone to stop

              the protests that have destroyed property and, I believe -as of yesterday, incited a shooting.

              In any other situation the Prez (and in this case, She) should be out there asking for that calm and accepting transition of power they implied they were ‘for’ on the day after the election.

              Where are they?

              Their absence says something.

              "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" - Gandhi
              • Babel 17 (1835 posts)
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                19. I posted in another thread

                Nothing in it for Democrats to chide the protestors who were violent

                So they just carefully distance themselves, and sigh about how sad the current situation is.

                Analytical thought must not be brought to bear on this. A proper postmortem of any other campaign that concluded with such an unexpected loss would go into why voters unexpectedly rejected the candidate. But not here, not now, because that would have incriminating implications for the party leaders, those in office, and the decidedly biased journalists who cheered on the doomed strategy and tactics.

                So the attitude is “let’s not comment on the violence”, lest the protestors in their grief and anger might see a better, more deserving, target to seek payback from.

                http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/rioters-only-making-it-worse-for-the-progressive-movement/#top

                • cyberpj (1946 posts)
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                  21. Actually, I was saying I don't think it IS "let’s not comment on the violence” –

                  I was implying no Democrat is saying anything because they know it’s organized by themselves and for themselves.

                  snip-
                  CNN reports that «for many Americans across the country, Donald Trump’s victory is an outcome they simply refuse to accept. Tens of thousands filled the streets in at least 25 US cities overnight». This is the exact reporting that the Oligarchy desired from its presstitutes and got.

                  I hope no one thinks that simultaneous protests in 25 cities were a spontaneous event. How did 25 independent protests manage to come up with the same slogans and the same signs on the same night following the election?

                  What is the point of the protests, and what interest is served by them? As the Romans always asked, «who benefits?»

                  There is only one answer: The Oligarchy and only the Oligarchy benefits.

                  "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?" - Gandhi
                  • Babel 17 (1835 posts)
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                    22. Yeah, what they privately want and publicly want are in conflict

                    They want every edge they can get against Trump, and spinning him as the villain in this can help them.

                    But it’s violence, and so far it’s mostly just Sanders providing the right leadership here.

        • beltanefauve (179 posts)
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          25. LOL!

          They’re pretty easy to spot. I spotted one wearing a Che Guevara t-shirt. I laughed right at him and kept walking.

    • Night Shifter (482 posts)
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      7. At the very least, Her campaign contributed to the current climate

      After all, this was the same campaign that tried to also paint Bernie as a racist, male chauvinist.

    • bjo59 (3418 posts)
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      14. A lot of suggestive evidence leaking out over past days

      indicating that it is so.

    • winter is coming (809 posts)
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      20. It wouldn't surprise me, and I'm certain of this:

      If Hillary had won, the media wouldn’t be showing the protests.

    • mylye2222 (64 posts)
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      24. Possibly some, not all.

      Progressives hate Trump too.

       

    • bernintheusa (1173 posts)
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      26. Yes.

      imageWe all only live once. So we are obligated to make good use of the time that we have and to do something that is meaningful and satisfying. This is something that I find meaningful and satisfying... I enjoy helping people who are vulnerable. And I enjoy crushing bastards.                        - Julian Assange -                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          image                                                                                                     ... for Julian's safety ...