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    CNN: No specific Whitehouse crimes cited by Comey or Dems

    In the much awaited testimony of FBI Director Comey before the House Judiciary Committee,  according to CNN, the only ones today who raised allegations of specific crimes are the Republicans.

    Excerpt of latest summary from CNN with bottom-line quotes of the day (from a surprising source): http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/20/politics/comey-hearing-russia-wiretapping/

    Republicans say that the leaking of his name was a criminal act in contravention of laws that mask the identify of US citizens caught up in surveillance operations targeting foreign nationals.
    Comey would not talk Monday about specific cases or confirm newspaper reports, but said that leaks about classified activity were “terrible.”
    South Carolina Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy read out the names of Obama administration officials, including former national security adviser Susan Rice and former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, asking whether they would have had access to the name of a unmasked person. Comey said that their positions would likely allow them such information but did not comment on the individual cases.
    “The felonious dissemination of classified material most definitely is a crime,” Gowdy warned.
    The top Democrat on the committee, Rep. Adam Schiff, said it was not yet known whether the Russian operation was aided by US citizens, “including people associated with the Trump campaign.”“Many of Trump’s campaign personnel, including the President himself, have ties to Russia and Russian interests. This is, of course, no crime,” Schiff said.

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    • aspirant (1204 posts)
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      1. Comey and Rogers admitted

      there is an investigation into Russia/Trump.

      They confirmed Trump is a pathetic LIAR with Obama wiretaps.

      Anyone here standing with Trump and his murdering AHCA, devastating budget and destruction of our government is in cahoots with CRIMES against Humanity

      If the IC is corrupt and Trump is a liar and inhumane in his actions, then I would expect posts here to eviscerate both and not one.

      • leveymg (1802 posts)
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        2. Both Trump and the IC are duly eviscerated. Duly noted.

        But, don’t confuse Trump’s poorly framed accusations with exoneration of the IC which has been going to extraordinary lengths to cover up its nearly universal warrantless surveillance by proxy.

        Comey is a political fixer at a very high level, and he has been careful so far to appear even handed.

        So far, he’s let Hillary off the hook and hasn’t accused anyone of any specific crimes.  I expect he’ll continue according to form in this instance.

        The IC has the goods on everyone, they’re all compromised and corrupt.   Both parties. They’ll all continue to give the intel agencies whatever they want, and likely the pols will all walk Scott free.  Trump will go back to doing what he does best – a frontman for the NY Mob.  He’s played his role.

      • jerry611 (183 posts)
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        3. Comey likes to investigate, but don't usually produce much

        So don’t get your hopes up with that man. He flops more than a fish out of water. He’ll have an investigation for months, call a press conference and say he didn’t find anything.

        • aspirant (1204 posts)
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          4. I've lost hope in these government officials

          and have transferred all my hope to the people.

          IMO, a unified fight against all establishment is our only hope.

      • sadoldgirl (1436 posts)
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        5. I don't think that your obvious hatred of Trump contributes anything of value

        to this issue. Obviously the FBI/CIA etc would never admit to

        surveillance of the Trump campaign, yet we know that Merkel’s

        and Hollande’s calls were monitored. So why not Trump’s by an

        administration that supported HRH to the hilt? I am not saying

        this is true, but in all of these cases there will be no proof nor any

        clear evidence. Just as there won’t be any evidence found about

        a Trump/Putin election conspiracy. I just wished that both parties

        would quit this nonsense and concentrate on the issues, which

        are starting from the Congress. Will Trump sign on to these new

        policies? Yes, but so would Pence (if not more so) and Ryan. Yet

        all I hear from the Dems is “Russia, Russia”, which is obviously

        the only issue they focus on, because they have sold out to the

        third way.

        • aspirant (1204 posts)
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          6. Why are you still defending Trump?

          He and the Washington DC establishment have no concern about the people and are just fighting with each other for power.

          To take sides with either one is anti-people and our only hope is to side with each other

          • senz (4725 posts)
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            7. Are Glenn Greenwald and "key Democratic officials" defending Trump?

            https://theintercept.com/2017/03/16/key-democratic-officials-now-warning-base-not-to-expect-evidence-of-trumprussia-collusion/

            Maybe there’s such a thing as truth.   Maybe it’s bigger than hate.

            I'm not ignoring you; they won't let me reply to or post messages.  You can PM me though if you feel like it.  No one has told me how long this will last.  It's a little weird, I must say ...  :shrug: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info  Caitlin Johnstone   https://consortiumnews.com/   Jimmy Dore  http://anonhq.com/   http://markcrispinmiller.com/   http://www.thecanary.co/
            • aspirant (1204 posts)
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              8. Are you defending Trump

              or just hating the Washington establishment?

              None of these groups in power care about us and to join with any of them is just tearing us apart.

              Real truth doesn’t exist within the the gangs of DC.

              • senz (4725 posts)
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                9. I'm defending truth.

                Are you defending lies?

                I'm not ignoring you; they won't let me reply to or post messages.  You can PM me though if you feel like it.  No one has told me how long this will last.  It's a little weird, I must say ...  :shrug: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info  Caitlin Johnstone   https://consortiumnews.com/   Jimmy Dore  http://anonhq.com/   http://markcrispinmiller.com/   http://www.thecanary.co/
                • aspirant (1204 posts)
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                  10. Which gangs are truthtellers?

                  Are they the Repubs, Trump and his Cabinet, the MIC, Intelligence groups, the Media. Corporate Dems, Think Tanks, Wall Street Bankers, Lobbyists, etc?

                  Our truth can only come from us who genuinely care about us.

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                  • senz (4725 posts)
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                    11. Anyone can tell the truth. It's as easy

                    as whistling.

                    I'm not ignoring you; they won't let me reply to or post messages.  You can PM me though if you feel like it.  No one has told me how long this will last.  It's a little weird, I must say ...  :shrug: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info  Caitlin Johnstone   https://consortiumnews.com/   Jimmy Dore  http://anonhq.com/   http://markcrispinmiller.com/   http://www.thecanary.co/
                  • Flygirl (1889 posts)
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                    12. Yes and if one has so much hatred for one party

                    one shut down truth altogether,..because one is not open enough to see the full picture..

                    you seem pretty closed down to looking at the full picture, so much so , that you are accusatory to  anyone looking for truth with an open mind and open eyes!!

                    your truth seems very obviously one sided and very narrow in scope!!

                    you do not want to work with anyone else , as you Claim..you want to accuse others..others that may think or pursue truth in a different manner than you do!!

                    perhaps it is you that needs to put aside some of your hate and open your mind..and question Everything..not just what suits your own agenda..or preconceived truth.

                    According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
                    • aspirant (1204 posts)
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                      13. Which party do I hate,

                      the corporate Dems or the corporate Repubs?

                      “your truth seems very obviously one sided and very narrow in scope”!!… why would I then propose to fight against the DC establishment and the Corporate world?

                      “you do not want to work with anyone else , as you Claim..you want to accuse others..others that may think or pursue truth in a different manner than you do”!!…I want to work with people that support “the people,”  not abuse the people for greed.

                       

                      • Flygirl (1889 posts)
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                        14. Not literal Party… meant Party to other people..

                        you have all but attacked others saying they support Trump..because others may see things different than YOU DO…just because someone doesn’t go about things as YOU Do..doesn’t mean they support Trump..others may want to wait and see if truth is exposed Before condemning someone else.,l

                        personally I see this RUssia Russia Russia bullshit as just that..utter bullshit.manufactured Bullshit..I do not believe one damn word of it..I see it as manufactured by democrats and the establishment…and the mother fucking media…

                        i saw the same tactic and bullshit over 9/11… where outright lies became the truth to so many.. they were too lazy to look for truth or too damn ignorant…and led to wars based on those fucking lies..and manufactured bullshit by the same fucking media that is feeding this ignorant bullshit..

                        and I saw people..just like you attempting to dish out shame propaganda..take that shit and shove it….most people here are adults..we can think and reason all on our own without your Opinion or judgement of who does or does not support whoever we damn well please …I no longer trust anything ..from the media nor the DNC Democrats..period..that does not make me support nor non support any Fucking one..no matter what your opinion of abusive rhetoric is!

                        According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
                      • aspirant (1204 posts)
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                        15. Do you support and trust Trump?

                        My opinion on a discussion board is just as valid as yours.

                        “take that shit and shove it”.. Trying to censor my voice by your “abusive rhetoric” is fruitless.

                      • Flygirl (1889 posts)
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                        16. That's none of your god damned business!!!

                        Your business is You…not me!!

                        and your innuendo put upon others is pure unadulterated Bullshit!! It’s a propaganda tactic that I do not embibe in!

                        and I find highly offensive!!

                        According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
                      • aspirant (1204 posts)
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                        18. "pure unadultered bullshit,"

                        why that’s your innuendo.

                        “a propaganda tactic” another innuendo, can you say hypocrite

    • Tierra y Libertad (1149 posts)
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      17. Sounds like that other guy who said, "I am not a criminal."

      Hopefully, poor, misunderstood, unloved, rich boy now infesting the white house will come to the same glorious end as his predecessor.

       

      But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing. Thomas Paine

       
      • leveymg (1802 posts)
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        19. Problem is, then we get Pence. Poison pill, capeche? Even Watergate wasn't

        what it appeared to be.  Please, see: https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/trump-not-the-first-target-of-covert-operations-by-us-intelligence/

        • Tierra y Libertad (1149 posts)
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          20. So, we should give Trump a pass in fear of Pence?

           

          But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing. Thomas Paine

           
          • leveymg (1802 posts)
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            21. We should fear Pence, yes, but Trump gets no passes other than he can't be

            impeached other than by Congress for “high crimes and misdemeanors.”  You can’t just throw him out because you don’t like his policies.  You can’t have a coup and the Constitution, too.

            • Tierra y Libertad (1149 posts)
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              22. No, but we can make those policies a lot more difficult for him to foist on us.

              As for his “high crimes and misdemeanors”, it’s still early and the investigations are continuing.   Hopefully, if found, the Democrats and some Republican may even do a service to the country (and, the world) by ridding us of His Pestilence.

               

              But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing. Thomas Paine

               
              • leveymg (1802 posts)
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                23. I hope Trump's tenure in office in short and painful.

                I just don’t want the IC, the Hillbots, the New Right, the New Cold Warriors or the neocons to be the parties that effect his removal or benefit from it.

                • Tierra y Libertad (1149 posts)
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                  24. The shorter the better. I agree about neocons, DLC, neolibs, etc.

                  I think he may resign before impeachment is a viable possibility.   Even a blockhead like Donnie may come to realize that he’s in over his empty head or the less mentally incapacitated Republicans will send a delegation to the WH and offer him an “early out” for the good of the nation and the party.   And, the offer of massive air time will be hard for a narcissist to refuse.

                   

                  But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing. Thomas Paine