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    DAMN Glenn !!! – Tell It, My Man !!!

    The Deep State Goes to War with President-Elect, Using Unverified Claims, as Democrats Cheer – GlennGreenwald – TheIntercept

     

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    In January, 1961, Dwight Eisenhower delivered his farewell address after serving two terms as U.S. president; the five-star general chose to warn Americans of this specific threat to democracy: “In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.” That warning was issued prior to the decadelong escalation of the Vietnam War, three more decades of Cold War mania, and the post-9/11 era, all of which radically expanded that unelected faction’s power even further.

    This is the faction that is now engaged in open warfare against the duly elected and already widely disliked president-elect, Donald Trump. They are using classic Cold War dirty tactics and the defining ingredients of what has until recently been denounced as “Fake News.”

    Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

    The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. There are a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combatting those threats: from bipartisan congressional coalitions and constitutional legal challenges to citizen uprisings and sustained and aggressive civil disobedience. All of those strategies have periodically proven themselves effective in times of political crisis or authoritarian overreach.

    But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have…

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    Much More: https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/the-deep-state-goes-to-war-with-president-elect-using-unverified-claims-as-dems-cheer/

     

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    • Flygirl (1810 posts)
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      1. A Failed Coup? Larry Johnson No Quarter..

      he also praises Glen…

      A Failed CIA Coup? – NO QUARTER USA NET
      http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/79535/failed-cia-coup/

      Sources tell CNN that these same allegations about communications between the Trump campaign and the Russians, mentioned in classified briefings for congressional leaders last year, prompted then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid to send a letter to FBI Director Comey in October, in which he wrote, “It has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government — a foreign interest openly hostile to the United States.”. . .
      Some of the memos were circulating as far back as last summer. What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago. . . .
      CNN has also learned that on December 9, Senator John McCain gave a full copy of the memos — dated from June through December, 2016 — to FBI Director James Comey. McCain became aware of the memos from a former British diplomat who had been posted in Moscow. But the FBI had already been given a set of the memos compiled up to August 2016, when the former MI6 agent presented them to an FBI official in Rome, according to national security officials. . . .
      The raw memos on which the synopsis is based were prepared by the former MI6 agent, who was posted in Russia in the 1990s and now runs a private intelligence gathering firm. His investigations related to Mr. Trump were initially funded by groups and donors supporting Republican opponents of Mr. Trump during the GOP primaries, multiple sources confirmed to CNN. Those sources also said that once Mr. Trump became the nominee, further investigation was funded by groups and donors supporting Hillary Clinton.

       

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      • WillyT (5184 posts)
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        2. Thank You For That !!!

        :fistbump:

         

      • Tuesday (507 posts)
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        12. Also from Larry Johnson in the same piece:

        “As many of you know I have written critically about Donald Trump in the past. But this is not about Donald Trump’s reputation, this is a full fledged assault by the some leaders of our intelligence organizations on the legitimately elected man who will become the President of the United States. The CIA may need to be dismantled. This is that serious. No U.S. intelligence organization has any right, legal or otherwise, to interfere in domestic politics. That is a bright red line that must not be crossed.”

        Thanks Flygirl!

        • Flygirl (1810 posts)
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          16. I wished I could post it all but Rules r rules!! Please everyone go read it all!

          According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
        • TRex (1615 posts)
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          29. Last guy that tried to dismantle the CIA, ended up being assassinated in 1963.

          Since then, everyone has been afraid of the CIA. Gee, I wonder why?

          I never promised you a rose garden.
          • Octafish (2792 posts)
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            43. They let Carter live, but destroyed his Presidency.

            Safari Club and October Surprise…


            The Deep State Plots The 1980 Defeat Of Jimmy Carter

            By Peter Dale Scott
            WhoWhatWhy.com on Nov 2, 2014

            The Safari Club was an alliance between national intelligence agencies that wished to compensate for the CIA’s retrenchment in the wake of President Carter’s election and Senator Church’s post-Watergate reforms. As former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal once told Georgetown University alumni,

            In 1976, after the Watergate matters took place here, your intelligence community was literally tied up by Congress. It could not do anything. It could not send spies, it could not write reports, and it could not pay money. In order to compensate for that, a group of countries got together in the hope of fighting Communism and established what was called the Safari Club. The Safari Club included France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Iran. (1)

            After Carter was elected, the Safari Club allied itself with Richard Helms and Theodore Shackley against the more restrained intelligence policies of Jimmy Carter, according to Joseph Trento. In Trento’s account, the dismissal by William Colby in 1974 of CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton,

            combined with Watergate, is what prompted the Safari Club to start working with (former DCI Richard) Helms (then U.S. Ambassador to Iran) and his most trusted operatives outside of Congressional and even Agency purview. James Angleton said before his death that “Shackley and Helms … began working with outsiders like Adham and Saudi Arabia. The traditional CIA answering to the president was an empty vessel having little more than technical capability.”(2)

            Trento adds that “The Safari Club needed a network of banks to finance its intelligence operations. With the official blessing of George Bush as the head of the CIA, Adham transformed . . . the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), into a worldwide money-laundering machine.”(3) Trento claims also that the Safari Club then was able to work with some of the controversial CIA operators who had been forced out of the CIA by Turner, and that this was coordinated by Theodore Shackley:

             Shackley, who still had ambitions to become DCI, believed that without his many sources and operatives like (Edwin) Wilson, the Safari Club—operating with (former DCI Richard) Helms in charge in Tehran—would be ineffective. . . . Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of intelligence operations soon, the Safari Club would not have a conduit to (CIA) resources. The solution: create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced. (4)

            During the 1980 election campaign each party accused the other of plotting an October Surprise to elect their candidate. Subsequently other journalists, notably Robert Parry, accused CIA veterans on the Reagan campaign, along with Shackley, of an arguably treasonable but successful plot with Iranians to delay return of the U.S. hostages until Reagan took office in January 1981. (5)

            SNIP…

            The oil majors’ manipulation of domestic oil prices, combined with Carter’s failure to bring the hostages home, combined to cause the first defeat for an elected president running for reelection, since that of Herbert Hoover in 1932.

            CONTINUED…

            http://whowhatwhy.com/2014/11/02/the-deep-state-plots-the-1980-defeat-of-jimmy-carter/


            For oil, we’ll do anything. “We” not being “the People.”

             

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            • TRex (1615 posts)
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              44. And notice President Carter is the only one telling the truth?

              Saying if we don’t fix the plutocracy in D.C., we will never fix any other problems. That D.C. is corrupt from the ground up and Wall Street runs the show.

               

              I never promised you a rose garden.
            • Enthusiast (5512 posts)
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              54. Giant Plus One!

              "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • DoctorJ (349 posts)
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        34. The DC Dems, Hillbots, PUMAs, BOG, and so forth are being played

        As Greenwald points out, by grasping and embracing and re-tweeting all of the this fake news about Drumpf, they are 1) wasting time and energy that should be spent fighting him on real issues, and 2) setting themselves up for defeat and humiliation when the actual truth is revealed.  what’s the term they like to toss out?  Oh, yeah, – Useful Idiots

        JPRec

        Thanks a lot, Turd Way.  You insisted, while we were hemorrhaging seats for 8 years, that Obama was "kicking their ass".   Time to wake up from your dream and get back to what made us great for 60 years.
    • oldandhappy (2707 posts)
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      3. Thank you for this!

    • BlueAK (1197 posts)
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      4. I don't care if any of this stuff is true or not.

      After Trump’s full-throated support of birtherism and other such nonsense, I enjoy watching him squirm.  Karma’s a bitch.

      https://northernvisions.smugmug.com/
    • ThouArtThat (2403 posts)
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      5. Excpert From Eisenhower Farewell Speech

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      • Enthusiast (5512 posts)
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        27. Eisenhower certainly nailed it right here.

        Unfortunately no one reined in the power and unwarranted influence of the MIC. Now they rein supreme over the nation.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
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      • 99thMonkey (2179 posts)
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        8. This is the most absurd aspect of US whining "Russia influenced our elections"

        And even more so because all this whining is coming from the very same “Agency” that has been directly responsible for inciting & organizing hundreds of assassinations, coups & rigged elections around the globe.

        And no one seems to notice, enough to connect the dots and ask the question “Look who’s talking?”

        • Enthusiast (5512 posts)
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          56. Plus One! How many elections has the CIA interfered with? Thousands?

          "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
          • 99thMonkey (2179 posts)
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            60. We will never know how many.

            And that is by design, not accident.

      • Sadie (2985 posts)
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        13. Did you read Operation Gladio?

        Thanks for the book recommendation.

        How on earth would a new Potus who is disliked by all MSM, GOP & Dem establishment ever go about replacing the CIA?  He has already prepped himself for the fight by placing some very powerful people in his cabinet, though it is obvious this is headed to be very ugly before the 20th.

         

          Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
        • id-entity (1562 posts)
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          39. Military Intelligence

          vs. CIA. Field commanders respected and admired by rank and file, vs CIA. After 20th, executive powers of POTUS (with also private security) vs. CIA.

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      • Mick Lady (174 posts)
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        25. Thanks for the rec!

        Posted after Amazon order!

        What fresh hell is this?
      • glinda (1441 posts)
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        49. Thanks for the book recommendation. Ordering now.

        Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
    • Fawke Em (2607 posts)
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      7. Apparently, Sen. Markey cited the unsubstantiated Piss Report

      to frame a question today, too.

      What the hell is wrong with the Democrats? Surely, they can’t all be insane.

         
      • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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        22. I haven't read the report.

        But the CIA is intended to be sneaky, secretive and untrustworthy.  That’s what it is.  That’s is function.  To know but not be known.

        So if the report is false, so be it.

        Trump is a danger.  Glenn Greenwald is wrong to downplay the danger of Trump’s administration.

        But he is right about the lack of evidence.

        What I want to know is how much if any money the Trump business interests owe to Russian investors.

        Why haven’t we seen the details of Trump’s financial holdings and condition?

        And if Trump has a dispute or is under investigation by the IRS, how is that going to be resolved?  Will it be resolved by an IRS under the management of a Trump appointee?

        We don’t know much about Trump.  When people know the truth, they don’t rush to embrace idiotic lies.  But Trump hides the truth so that we can’t find it out.  This is especially true about his finances.

        Trump may have more conflicts of interest than Hillary if that is possible.

        We need the truth about Trump now.  The CIA report from what I have heard is not helpful

        No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
        • Fawke Em (2607 posts)
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          26. You're correct.

          There is a bevy of REAL reasons to question a Trump Administration, but unsubstantiated reports about salacious doings only muddies the waters.

             
          • Enthusiast (5512 posts)
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            57. Muddying the water might be the objective.

            "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
        • Caretha (593 posts)
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          31. In his press conference today

          he stated he owed no money/loans to Russia.  Some good sleuth like you could help ferret it out if he was lying,  If not you, I’m sure that someone will be all over it soon.

          “Secrecy is the keystone to all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy and censorship. When any government or church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not know," the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked in this fashion; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, whose mind is free. No, not the rack nor the atomic bomb, not anything. You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.” ― Robert A. Heinlein
          • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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            36. Someone else will. Twas a time, but I don't do that much sleuthing any more

            although it is really fun.

            No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
        • id-entity (1562 posts)
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          40. Glenn is not wrong or downplaying

          The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. There are a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combatting those threats: from bipartisan congressional coalitions and constitutional legal challenges to citizen uprisings and sustained and aggressive civil disobedience. All of those strategies have periodically proven themselves effective in times of political crisis or authoritarian overreach.

          Glenn’s pointing out that this DNC-MSM-CIA etc. garbage that they push is playing into Trump hand, if and when real issues to oppose arise.

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          • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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            50. If the CIA had the evidence that people say it does, I don't think they would

            release it.  I’m not paying a whole lot of attention to the CIA report.  The CIA is does not exist to tell us the truth and the whole truth about what goes on.  We have to wait and see and figure it out for ourselves.  Whether the gist of the report is true or false will probably become evident in the next 2 years.

            No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
        • Passionate Progressive (935 posts)
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          48. I don't think that Greenwald downplayed the danger that Trump could cause

          Greenwald’s concerns were twofold regarding Trump

          The way the hair on fire (Russians are coming/Trump is a boogey man) left is reacting to baseless gossip/tabloid journalism circulated through social media is dangerous because it actually helps Trump and other non-democratic forces.    It also beckons intervention by the deep state and may foster censorship.

          In order to confront Trump on the issues that matter the left needs to  fight for policies and issues rather than the media manufactured character flaws.

          Yes Trump is a danger – he’s also in danger.

           

           

          • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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            53. Agreed. The issues should be the focus.

            The rest will take care of itself.

            No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
    • senz (4387 posts)
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      10. Greenwald is speaking truth to power.

      This is exactly what we need.

    • 99thMonkey (2179 posts)
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      11. desperation of the worst kind

      “…cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

      Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?”

      • Caretha (593 posts)
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        32. Here is the crux

        of the matter, CIA = Mafia, and personally I’ve always thought that the Mafia was a bit lazy.  They all in all did a shitty job of covering up JFK’s assassination.  They basically depend on American’s gullibility and desire to live in peace.

        “Secrecy is the keystone to all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy and censorship. When any government or church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not know," the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked in this fashion; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, whose mind is free. No, not the rack nor the atomic bomb, not anything. You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.” ― Robert A. Heinlein
    • Sadie (2985 posts)
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      14. Has anyone ever

      defeated the Deep State or CIA?  I don’t see how Trump will.  It is going to be the death of him.

        Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
      • senz (4387 posts)
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        15. Chris Hedges thinks so, too.

        He was something of a “progressive Hillbot” not too long ago, but it looks like he’s seen the bigger picture.

        http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_real_purpose_of_the_us_governments_report_on_alleged_hacking_by_russi

        • Sadie (2985 posts)
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          19. it is freaking scary

          to me and I guess he figures “what does he have to lose?”   This is why I say he knew what he was up against before he ever announced his intention, he doesn’t seem to let this keep him from speaking out.  I think he has a plan and thus the reason for so many generals on his cabinet.  Even though he is 70 he could be around 10 or more years for his youngest son and wife.

            Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
          • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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            23. What I want to know is what the real facts are about Trump's financial

            holdings and debt.  If he doesn’t owe to the Russians or Deutsche Bank, who then holds his debts?  Who ARE his creditors if not Russians?

            Who lends money or invests in the projects of a man who has committed bankruptcy multiple (the exact number seems to be in dispute) times?

            Is Trump an imposter?

            I haven’t read and won’t read the CIA report.  I take it for granted that it is not worth the paper it is printed on, but then  Trump is not up front about the details of his finances so the CIA report is what we’ve got.

            And just having his children run his businesses while he plays president is not good enough.  He needs to have an independent company sell his assets and put his money in a blind trust.  The reports from the blind trust should be off limits to any member of the Trump family.  Sure they will have ways to find out where the money is, but they should have no ability to control that money.

            Trump should live on the salary he receives as president.  He is a servant of the people now, not an entrepreneur. If these are not the rules, then we need to change the rules.

            The invitation to corruption is writ in large golden letters for the entire Trump family.  That’s not going to be good.   In the end, that will be  the source of divisive controversy.

            No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
            • Sadie (2985 posts)
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              24. Watch

              his presser, from what I heard is that he signed it all over to Kushner and will not own anything.

              As you can tell, unless you follow him on Twitter, or he has a presser which you can see on Youtube, you will not hear what he intends to do, because he refuses to speak to the MSM except in a presser.  I guess he has been burned too many times and refuses to speak.

                Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
              • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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                35. But Kushner is also one of his advisors. That's not signing anything over.

                This is simply going to be unacceptable at some point.

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                • Sadie (2985 posts)
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                  42. Sorry, I will need to re-watch

                  because I didn’t get the specifics, though the attorneys have already taken care of the transfers and it may not be Kushner but the son.  The one to worry ourselves about is not Trump but the asinine lawmakers who are trying to start WWIII.  McCain & Graham are the hawks.

                    Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
                  • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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                    51. If the signing over is insufficient to prevent a conflict of interest, some

                    reporter determined to make a name for himself will apprise us of the actual conflict of interest most likely.  This will probably be the big Trump scandal.

                    Amazingly, Obama’s administration was relatively scandal-free — compared to Bush/Cheney, Clinton and Reagan.  To say nothing of Nixon and then Johnson with the Viet Nam War.

                    No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
                    • Sadie (2985 posts)
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                      58. Scandal free?

                      I guess you probably didn’t see the fact that Hillary and Obama destroyed Libya, Syria, & stirred up a war with Russia while bombing 8 different countries?  And that under Obama, the Democratic party was shellacked in the 16 election?   I am not counting that he backed and then tried to cover for Hillary’s private server & bleached mails, approved Keystone XL, TPP, NSA Prism Surveillance System, IRS scandal, and AP phone records scandal.

                      Nope, Obama is not scandal free.  Not by a long shot.  And we know Trump’s scandalous in his  life prior to office, so it is a given that his term will be as well.

                        Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
                      • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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                        62. There were no corruption scandals outed during Obama's term.

                        Not like the one during Bush’s term or like Monica Lewinsky.

                        While the wars are scandalous, they have become (horribly) par for the course in American administrations.  The Clinton administration, in fact, was relatively free from big wars (relatively).  A scandal is a news phenomenon.

                        That’s the way it is in the American news media.  You make a good point, but wars are not considered to be scandals.  They should be but they aren’t.

                        Definition of scandal
                        1a :  discredit brought upon religion by unseemly conduct in a religious personb :  conduct that causes or encourages a lapse of faith or of religious obedience in another
                        2 :  loss of or damage to reputation caused by actual or apparent violation of morality or propriety :  disgrace
                        3a :  a circumstance or action that offends propriety or established moral conceptions or disgraces those associated with itb :  a person whose conduct offends propriety or morality
                        4 :  malicious or defamatory gossip
                        5 :  indignation, chagrin, or bewilderment brought about by a flagrant violation of morality, propriety, or religious opinion

                        https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/scandal

                        If the claim were true, the allegation about Trump’s conduct in the hotel in Moscow would be a “scandal,” but bombing raids in Yemen, for most people would be business as usual.

                        Sick, yes.  But that is how it is.

                         

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                      • Flygirl (1810 posts)
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                        65. Bidens son Silenced Larry Sinclair..

                        just saying…

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                      • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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                        66. The salacious talk about Trump in Russia is more believable than the Sinclair

                        myths.  Just not believable.  If the Sinclair stories had feet, they would have walked into the news more steadily.

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                    • senz (4387 posts)
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                      59. "Scandals" are invented by media. No talk, no scandal.

                      • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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                        63. True. I copied the dictionary definition in a post above if you are interested.

                        The word, “scandal” is not synonymous with immoral or wrong.  The word “scandal” somehow involves the public reaction to behavior and the dissemination of knowledge of the behavior.  Even the dictionary definition doesn’t quite capture the social meaning of the word “scandal.”  Fascinating word.

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          • 99thMonkey (2179 posts)
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            38. "So many Military Generals" ..let's just hope it's enough, and he has even more

            US Military brass who are lined up behind the scenes, that he has confided-in, and who are guaranteed to have his back, so he doesn’t get JFKed.

            This also helps explain a lot: just for starters i.e. why Trump is insisting on keeping his own security force, for a more failsafe wall of protection.

            Who knows?  Could Trump end up becoming our Smedley Butler-2.0?   This possibility is very mind boggling to contemplate.  And virtually no body will probably even see it coming.

            I readily admit, this could be 100% wishful thinking on my part, but a lot of the pieces are there to put that picture together … i.e what he really means by “draining the swamp”,

            • id-entity (1562 posts)
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              41. Military Intelligence

              Not just many generals, also heavy weight military intelligence professionals.

              I am a Soldier first, but an intelligence professional second to none.
              With pride in my heritage, but focused on the future,
              Performing the first task of an Army:
              To find, know, and never lose the enemy.
              With a sense of urgency and of tenacity, professional and physical fitness,
              and above all, INTEGRITY, for in truth lies victory.
              Always at silent war, while ready for a shooting war,
              The silent warrior of the ARMY team.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Intelligence_Corps_(United_States_Army)

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            • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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              52. I'm wondering about the legal status of Trump's private security detail.

              I wonder whether they have been vetted in terms of US security standards for being privy to top secret information on occasion.  I wonder who they answer to that represents the American people.  I have a lot of questions about that situation.  I wonder, for example, whether they will be subject to the oversight of Congress.  I have lots of questions.

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              • 99thMonkey (2179 posts)
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                61. From what I understand the SS is copacetic to the current arrangement

                I saw an article — I admittedly only read its headline — which was something about there being “no friction” between the two security details, at least not so far.

                As for who they answer to that represents the American people: in case you haven’t noticed, we have lost any semblance of representative democratic institutions anywhere, and especially in the “security industry”.

                If part of Trumps agenda is doing away with the CIA and most corrupt parts of the Deep State, then I’m a-ok with him providing for his own security that he’s found to be most trustworthy.  I wish JFK had done that in time.

                • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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                  64. I'm not sure about this.

                  The White House belongs to the people of the United States and is overseen by the government.  I’m not at ease with Trump living mostly outside the White House.  Nor am I confident in a private security force. Is he planning a private army too?

                  Under what authority can a private security force order an American citizen to leave public property?  What is the legal authority of a person in a private security force who is not on the property owned by his or her employer?  I don’t know that.

                  I do know that there is some uncertainty about the civil rights of a person when deprived of what would be a constitutional right if the entity or person violating the right is private and not governmental but is fulfilling what would otherwise possibly be or not be a governmental function.  That’s a kind of a murky area I think.  And my sentence about it is even murkier.

                  But there are some problems with Trump’s having a private security detail.  There may never be an issue, but this is not a slam dunk legally in my humble opinion.

                  And the private security detail could be questioned by Congress it would seem to me if the situation called for it.  I think that any detail protecting a president becomes a public detail.  The president relinquishes his right to privacy to a certain extent when he becomes president.  That’s they way it has been throughout all my life.

                  I’m sure Clinton thought that his behavior with Monica Lewinsky was a private matter.  It wasn’t.  The president has next to no privacy.  That’s part of the deal.

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        • ThouArtThat (2403 posts)
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          28. People Get Ready – The Attacks On Progressives Has Just Begun

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      • Flygirl (1810 posts)
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        17. The establishment was so prepped for Hillary and the status Quo..

        and worse much worse under her..they all saw gold at the end of their rainbow…but the People rejected what they were selling in Hillary..now tptb are truely in a panic and desperation…

        and I say..Good…damn good…I think none of them will be safe with Trump…

        it may give us all heartburn..but perhaps that is what we need..a whole damn shake up from top to bottom…

        he calls them to their faces..what many of us have begged for for decades..have we not??

        today during his presser..he was great against CNN reporter..calling them fake news!! I was freaking cheering!!It made me giddy in fact!!! Lmao…the CNN reporter didn’t know what to do with himself!!

        here we have the Pres Elect basically telling these fake reporters to go fuck themselves…I love it!!

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        • Sadie (2985 posts)
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          20. For sure

          any day our POTUS can tell the media to STFU is a good day.    :roflmao:

            Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
        • Caretha (593 posts)
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          33. Not to mention

          he gave Lindsey Graham a damn good poke.  Made my day.  In a way I’m ready for someone to be totally crass.  I’ve been told way to many times I wasn’t “pragmatic”.  I needed to “play the game”.  Fuck the game.  Dirty people are dirty, and he called out the Hillary emails too.

          How could I not say, fuckin’ yeah!

           

          “Secrecy is the keystone to all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy and censorship. When any government or church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not know," the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked in this fashion; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, whose mind is free. No, not the rack nor the atomic bomb, not anything. You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him.” ― Robert A. Heinlein
        • jdpriestly (4078 posts)
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          37. In my opinion, the establishment was prepped for war with Russia, and now

          that is less likely.  Not entirely unlikely, but less likely.  And for that, I am thankful.

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      • Ferd Berfel (2614 posts)
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        18. JFK was gearing up for it

        It didn’t work out well from him, or the country. der Drumpfenfurer won’t fare any better

        JFK was referring to the CIA here………

        Portion of a speech that President John F. Kennedy gave at the Waldorf-Astoria Hotel on April 27, 1961. “The President and the Press” before the American Newspaper Publishers Association.

        …and you think you’re going to stop this simply by ‘pulling a lever’, in a booth, behind a curtain, every 2 years? Know yourself. And if you need help, call the FBI.
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          21. Thanks

          I can tell the CIA must have educated McCain prior to 08 run, since he is apoplectic about hitting Russia hard, so has pretty much all of the warhawks such as Lindsey Graham, Rubio, etc.

            Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
    • Ohio Barbarian (929 posts)
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      30. Greenwald states the following:

      “All of the claims about Russia’s interference in U.S. elections and ties to Trump should be fully investigated by a credible body, and the evidence publicly disclosed to the fullest extent possible.”

      IS there such a “credible body” left in the United States government? If not, then maybe this government has simply got to go away.

      “I have a bad feeling about this.” –Han Solo, Princess Leia, and multiple other Star Wars characters

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
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      45. Thanks, Glenn, who can always separate the propaganda from the reality.

      And yes, the spectacular failure known as the Dem Party, currently under the control of the Third Way, having lost not just the WH, but the Senate, Congress, the Judiciary, Governerships, and everything else they could possibly lose, are now USING the man THEY put in the WH to try to restore the Blue/Red Team mentality that GOT US here.

      No #%^^^  Way