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    Fear and loathing on JPR

    After the worst election with the worst candidates on record, what we seem to be left with is fear and loathing. We loath Donald Trump and fear what he will do, because it is normal for humans to fear the unknown.

    Many of us were and still are supporters of Bernie. We watched as he was disrespected, disregarded and disenfranchised by the Democratic candidate. For the most part she was the one we feared because we couldn’t fathom a Trump win, he was just a joke.
    Now the joke is on us and daily the news only increases our unease. We are unclear what kind of mad man we have to deal with, can it possibly be as bad as we fear? My take is we are right to fear what is coming, but not to the point where we tear each other apart.
    Our unrest increases as inauguration day gets closer, after that day has passed, we will no longer have to fear what he is going to do, we will fear what he is doing, or allowing Congress to do.

    What we need to do now is to come together and become a combined force to stand and resist. Now is the time to focus our anger on what we are afraid of, and not ourselves. Oh I know, I’ve done my share of lashing out and you might not feel I’m a good representative for what I’m saying. But as Jackson Browne wrote. “Don’t confront me with my failures, I have not forgotten them.”

    Happy New Year
    Now let’s get to resisting!

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    But evil is still evil, in anybody's name.  Don Henley

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    • goodgirl (1852 posts)
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      1. I think this is a very good OP.

      There is no doubt we are all scared.  Each of us reacts in our own way, but we should not be turning on each other. I am with you…we have to stand together.

      Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
      • Abakan (1976 posts)
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        2. Thank You

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        Today the buck stops nowhere, no one takes the blame.

        But evil is still evil, in anybody's name.  Don Henley

      • VoiceOfReason (277 posts)
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        58. I feel the same as you.

        I awake every morning with fear and loathing.

        Even a rat will fight back when cornered .”

        “These are times that try men’s souls” , Tom Paine.

    • Autumn (564 posts)
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      3. Excellent OP and thank you for it. nt

    • Octafish (2228 posts)
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      4. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

      Some famous quote to add to your excellent OP. Thank you, Abakan!

    • artis life (111 posts)
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      5. We have to be active on our causes and locally

      Forget about DC, unless you live there…hee

      But we are able to effect our locality and we can be passionately behind our causes. Actually, this is how things have always been done to great effect. We can do this and it will be easier if we don’t have a defeatist attitude.

       

      There have been happy, effective people who have lived through worse with much less.

       

      Look at India, look at Mandela, look Canada!

    • Land of Enchantment (3872 posts)
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      6. +1,000. Well said and thank you!

      I like to imagine us all together as if we were at a Bernie meet-up back during the day. He was, after all, the driving force that brought all of us together in the first place. I hope everyone remembers the sense of community and good will we felt then and focus on the fact we are all here to foster his and our progressive ideals and turn them into reality. Here are some photos of meet-ups held around the country during the campaign season. I ask members to picture themselves interacting with these Berners (who are all of us) with respect and dignity and treat each other today as we did back then. These people ARE us.

      Had Bernie won the election I believe he would have run for re-election in 2020. I believe he will run again in 2020 for that reason alone.

              "Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart." ~ Emily Dickinson  
      • Koko (1912 posts)
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        8. Nice Memories….We don't yet realize

        what we Bernie supporters accomplished because we are distracted by noise about Russian’s and what will Trump do next.

        Eventually the clouds will clear and a path forward will emerge.  I hope.

        • RadicleFantast (785 posts)
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          9. I agree

          It’s one of the two reasons I refuse to bash 2016; I still expect to look back at it as a great year.

          Mind telling us why you have a barn full of chupacabra?
          • Koko (1912 posts)
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            25. Thanks!

            :hi:

      • disillusioned73 (69 posts)
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        44. I surely hope so..

        I see no one else on the horizon who will have even a slight chance against the used car salesman that will be taking the oath shortly… Bernie represents our best hope of a true new direction for this country (& maybe our last for the foreseeable future)… I just hope that the damage is mitigated and the propaganda machine that is the corporate media will continue to be exposed going forward.. Trumps die-hards will never acknowledge his failures & shortcomings, but that doesn’t matter – tilting to the right will gain you nothing with this very fickle electorate.. there are a lot of people still waiting for a message of unity – not hate…

        Personally, I  am preparing myself to get more involved than I ever have in the coming elections.. monetarily I may be limited but I am bi-lingual and I will put forth an effort to get more people in the fold that are not currently engaged – that is where I see a lot of potential to fight back the corporate take over of our country..

        May Bernie stay healthy & safe… we need him more than he will ever know..

        2020
    • Enthusiast (4759 posts)
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      7. Recommended to the max!

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
    • Land of Enchantment (3872 posts)
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      10. Recommending this for the Daily Radical

      @marym625

      :heart:

              "Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart." ~ Emily Dickinson  
      • Marym625 (12031 posts)
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        24. Done

        Thank you

        Nice work @abakan  Thank you!

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    • 99Forever (1415 posts)
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      11. With you 1000% Abakan.

      We are far stronger together than split apart.

    • nevereVereven (1595 posts)
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      12. Recommended

      A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
    • Fire with Fire (180 posts)
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      13. Fear and Loathing

      To each their own, of course, but my pet peeve is the post that says, So and So is Bad and then proceeds to say nothing about what to do about ol’ So and So.  Just taking a bold stand on a message board to say Fuck So and So.

      It reminds me of Life of Brian:

       

      =================

      Reg: If you want to join the People’s Front of Judea, you have to really hate the Romans.

      Brian: I do!

      Reg: Oh yeah, how much?

      Brian: A lot!

      Reg: Right, you’re in.

      ==================

      So when somebody puts the rhetorical question to you — how much do you hate Trump or Hillary or the GOP or the Dems or the MSM or the Military Industrial Complex or Wall Street? — we should all answer confidently:

       

      A LOT.

      That should eliminate about 40% of the posts on this board.

       

       

      • Abakan (1976 posts)
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        14. I believe everyone…

        should have pets. One of mine is my avatar.

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        Today the buck stops nowhere, no one takes the blame.

        But evil is still evil, in anybody's name.  Don Henley

        • Haikugal (3660 posts)
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          27. Love the OP AND your new avatar….what's that cuddly fur babies name and

          what breed is she?

               
          • Abakan (1976 posts)
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            29. She is my sweetheart Gidget…

            She is a Brussels Griffon..I thought I had introduced her.

            She will be seven in July. When Moon Doggie became aggresive

            toward her, his time here was up.

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            Today the buck stops nowhere, no one takes the blame.

            But evil is still evil, in anybody's name.  Don Henley

            • Haikugal (3660 posts)
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              30. I think you had introduced her now that you mention it but my retention could be

              better and I don’t remember seeing a picture of Gidget. She is beyond cute! It’s good Moon Doggie has a new home! ❤

                   
      • Spanish Devil (178 posts)
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        15. Do you have any proposals of your own as regards what should be done

        in the circumstances, FwithF?

        Far an taine ‘n abhainn, ‘s ann as mò a fuaim.

        Where the stream is shallowest, it is noisiest.

    • MisterTwister (43 posts)
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      16. We have to SERIOUSLY organize.

      That means face-to-face meetings on a regular basis with a group like Progressives for America, Democracy for America, or just our own home-grown group in our own locale.  Practically every town of any size has a Peace and Social Justice group which can be a good starting point.

      Then we plan events.  Remember, street protest (as King pointed out) is not simply to vent about grievances–it to achieve some goal.  Right now, getting local media attention would be a very good goal.  Also, connecting and working with unions, the local democratic party, community organizers, etc. is essential.  Money, contrary to belief, is not that essential.  You can do a ton of stuff absolutely free and get on TV and get your message out.

      It’s not fun and it takes time, but it’s how the TEA Party did it, until they were co-opted by the billionaires.

      • Land of Enchantment (3872 posts)
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        18. I like the way you think! Welcome to the party!

        :welcome:

                "Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart." ~ Emily Dickinson  
        • MisterTwister (43 posts)
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          20. Saul Alinsky is my personal hero.

          • Land of Enchantment (3872 posts)
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            21. Yes! 'Rules for Radicals'!!!! You're gonna fit right in!!!!!

                    "Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart." ~ Emily Dickinson  
    • Major Hogwash (922 posts)
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      17. One of the very reasons you are a good representative is because . . .

      . . . you are not afraid to speak out. That is very important in these times.

      Don’t let them see you sweat.

    • Mick Lady (135 posts)
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      19. Great Post!

      Your spirit is what is needed to come together and fight for what we believe in. Bernie would be proud!

      Nice pup by the way. We couldn’t live without our Lab, Taarna.

       

      What fresh hell is this?
    • LuckyDog (338 posts)
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      22. You cite to Dr. Hunter S. Thompson but

      but provide none of his wisdom. I miss him greatly:

      “How many more of these stinking, double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote FOR something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?”
      ― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72

      “Liberalism itself has failed, and for a pretty good reason. It has been too often compromised by the people who represented it.”
      ― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72

      “There is a sense of muted desperation in Democratic ranks at the prospect of getting stuck—and beaten once again—with some tried and half-true hack like Humphrey, Jackson, or Muskie… and George McGovern, the only candidate in either party worth voting for, is hung in a frustrated limbo created mainly by the gross cynicism of the Washington Press Corps. “He’d be a fine President,” they say, “but of course he can’t possibly win.” Why not? Well”
      ― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72

      “At the stroke of midnight in Washington, a drooling red-eyed beast with the legs of a man and a head of a giant hyena crawls out of its bedroom window in the South Wing of the White House and leaps fifty feet down to the lawn…pauses briefly to strangle the Chow watchdog, then races off into the darkness…towards the Watergate, snarling with lust, loping through the alleys behind Pennsylvania Avenue, and trying desperately to remember which one of those fore hundred identical balconies is the one outside of Martha Mitchell’s apartment….Ah…Nightmares, nightmares. But I was only kidding. The President of the United States would never act that weird. At least not during football season.”
      ― Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail ’72

      https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/273425-fear-and-loathing-on-the-campaign-trail-72

      “I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they’ve always worked for me.”

      “Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming “Wow! What a Ride!”

      The Proud Highway: Saga of a Desperate Southern Gentleman, 1955-1967

      LD

      • VoiceOfReason (277 posts)
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        47. "Where the buffolo roam"

        A movie about “fear and loathing on the campaign trail”, starring Bill Murray.  It’s free.

        http://putlockers.ch/watch-where-the-buffalo-roam-online-free-putlocker.html

        • LuckyDog (338 posts)
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          48. And I recall Johnny Depp

          doing Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, with Benecio Del Toro (sp?).  There was a memorable scene in it with Thompson having huffed ether and ingested some psychedelic like acid or peyote and coming on strong on a casino floor with all that that scene implies.  It was great.

          That book set off the whole gonzo journalism thing as Thompson’s signature story in that regard.  He was sent to Vegas to cover some motorcycle races and got caught up in the middle of some law enforcement convention there, setting up the juxtaposition with his penchant for wild hallucination-filled adventures.

    • GloriaMundi (210 posts)
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      23. Yes we should avoid tearing each other apart…

      …but no, we do not fear and loathe Donald Trump “because it is normal for humans to fear the unknown”.  He is not unknown.  Sure he hasn’t been directly involved in politics before, but he is in large part a known quantity, and anyone who does not both loathe and fear him IMO is just not paying attention.

      OTOH, I have tried to calm friends and family about his ascension to the Presidency.  The world will continue to turn, our lives will continue, it is up to each of us to improve life in our little sphere and hope the ripples meet and magnify each other.  Oh and of course, we need to fight the sumbitch wherever and whenever he tries to steamroll some deluded policy idea — which will be often.  That is where you are 100% correct:  we can’t do that while tearing each other down.

      To that end, I would recommend ignoring the sore losers who are still smarting from HRC’s historic loss, in which she took down Democrats in state after state, sucking them into the black hole of her own failure.  These people are incapable of rational thought and most of them are not liberals in any true sense of the word.  They are certainly not on the side of the working classes.  Anyone who claims to be a liberal, but is against $15/hr minimum wage, or free tuition at public colleges and universities, for example, should simply be ignored.  We may need them eventually, but they will be an impediment to building real change now.

    • Colors of the Rainbow (740 posts)
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      26. I am not feeling fear.

      I feel anger and resentment.

      I am still of mind feeling this with Election 2016—the primaries before the general—and am not of mind yet to switch to focusing on an incoming Donald Trump presidency.

      I trust the Democratic Party even less than the Republican Party because of what went down in 2016.

      I trust self-identified Democratic Party voters less because of their nominating Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders.

      I am considering what to do going forward. I have the intention to not vote Democrat if this party does not turn.

      Given all this, I am not thinking, “Fear Donald Trump!”

    • Dont call me Shirley (2930 posts)
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      28. Fear is not an option.

      When we cave in to the manufactured fear of the .01%, created specifically to keep us divided and conquered, they win.

      When we stand up to their poisoned creations of fear, we win!

      Smile in your Mind :) Smile in your Life :) Smile in your Heart :) Commit acts of courageous Self honesty 
      • VoiceOfReason (277 posts)
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        59. right on , shirley

        I agree.

    • sadoldgirl (1194 posts)
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      31. Well, well, well. So this is what this site has come to?

      Sounds to me like: They have nowhere else to go! This is exactly what

      the Dems are waiting for. The returns of the prodigal sons and daughters.

      Obama is head of that party, and has shown now where he wants this “his”

      party to go: Ministry of Truth, indirect attack on Russia, after total support

      for the worst candidate possible. He counts  on the terrible effects of the Trump/

      Republican government within a year for the 18 election. Well, if you count on my

      support for this, you are wrong. I am done with the neoliberal and neocon crap (don’t

      forget how many of the latter ones supported HRH).

      This site started as a “JPRadicals UNITED  FOR A POLITICAL REVOLUTION! If we now

      pull our tails in and start singing Kumbaya  then you will have lost me totally.

      Either we fight both or we will lose again. I have become an issue voter and will stay so,

      and that is what brought me to work my butt off for Bernie, not for the party!

       

      • Abakan (1976 posts)
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        32. At least you username is correct.

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        But evil is still evil, in anybody's name.  Don Henley

      • Fire with Fire (180 posts)
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        34. I'm confused

        This site started as a “JPRadicals UNITED  FOR A POLITICAL REVOLUTION! If we now

        pull our tails in and start singing Kumbaya  then you will have lost me totally.

        Either we fight both or we will lose again. I have become an issue voter and will stay so,

        and that is what brought me to work my butt off for Bernie, not for the party!

         

        I’m confused by this post.  I just re-read the OP, and I see nothing that suggests supporting the Democratic Party, or about pulling anybody’s tail’s in, or about singing Kumbaya.

        The key word that I saw was resistance.  Maybe the person who started this thread expressed those ideas and I missed them?

         

        And the overall message I got was simply to urge our membership to focus on issues rather than personalities.  I agree with it.

         

        • sadoldgirl (1194 posts)
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          35. If you read the OP carefully, you will see that it is anti-Trump only.

          The response I got from that poster – not you – speaks volumes.

          • Abakan (1976 posts)
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            36. What it said is I'm not going to

            validate your snark with a reply.

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            But evil is still evil, in anybody's name.  Don Henley

            • sadoldgirl (1194 posts)
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              37. It was not snark at all. However, I know where the "Resistance" movement

              comes from. That is all.

          • Silver Witch (2380 posts)
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            42. Indeed it does SadOldgirl. Indeed it does.

            Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
      • When Crabs Roar (20 posts)
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        39. "So this is what this site has come to?"

        This site hasn’t reached it’s destination yet, this site is still becoming, talk about instant gratification.

        There’s many goals to achieve and battles to be fought, many here are still numb and in a state of shock.

        We have a new party to build and it’s not going happen overnight, it’s going to take one brick at a time, one person at a time because it needs to be solid and strong to survive the test of time. Did you think it was going to be easy?

        I’m still in for a POLITICAL REVOLUTION, I am silent no more, anyone feel the same?

        We have a country to save.

      • Blackspade (1875 posts)
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        41. I think you missed the point of the OP.

        It was about JPR coming together to resist. Not sing hallaluyah with the Democrats….

      • nenagh (84 posts)
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        43. Issue voter, that makes sense to me…

        and the comment about your username seems unnecessarily snide

        Appreciated your comment…

         

         

    • id-entity (1537 posts)
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      33. I love fear

      it’s good challenge to overcome and nothing better than the feel of winning your fear. Without fear, where’s the anger?

      From anarchist point of view, things look good. Both parties did very serious (self)destruction especially for their ruling WS tool establishment elites, power of big money and MSM to buy and affect elections and direction of social development, and the remaining strong divisions and infight in the deep state etc. ruling centers of Empire makes it much less efficient to do it’s usual damage on global scale. I remain optimist that also among true progressives, even among JPR, more and more people become dissillusioned in the partisan etc. authoritarian political system as whole and start looking more seriously into DIY creativity for developing our emerging post-capitalist global sociaty of World Peace at grass roots levels. JPR has stood unified with Standing Rock, and through that engagement people have connected much better with their true warrior hearts. :)

      Disclaimer: You are free to reproduce, distribute, interpret, misinterpret, distort, garble, do what you like, even claim authorship, without my consent or the permission of anybody.
    • ozoneman (217 posts)
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      38. I fear the Democratic Party much more.

      After 8 years of war on 7 countries, I can’t take any more Obama/Clinton. Lets hope that Trump stays true to his words that he’s not going to overthrow governments in foreign countries, unlike Obama/Clinton.

      And that he won’t touch social security or Medicare, unlike Obama/Clinton.

      And the same for pulling back from WW3 that Obama/Clinton were dragging us into. If he can do that, I think he deserves Obama’s Nobel peace prize.

      • VoiceOfReason (277 posts)
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        49. Since when has trump stayed true to his words?`

        BTW, dubya got us into these wars and the trumpers blame the wrong people by lying, pure and simple.

        • ozoneman (217 posts)
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          62. Bush got us into two wars.

          Obama added five more. He and Hillary destroyed Libya and Syria. The Syrian diaspora is a direct result of the proxy war he created. I know, he gives great speeches.

          Bush was following the neocon PNAC plan developed in the 90’s, and which Obama continued. The PNAC architects backed Hillary, so it was clear that the war course would continue.

          Now it’s time to take the measure of Trump, and hold him to his promises as Bernie is doing.

    • Silver Witch (2380 posts)
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      40. I am neither afraid or angry.

      Life is too short to allow politics to dictate our mood. He will do some bad and I suspect some good and hopefully we will rise up and birth a new party. If not then everyone will lose. Nothing to be angry about.

      Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
    • MrMickeysMom (825 posts)
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      45. I agree, even though I hadn't noticed the lashing out…

      That’s cause I’m not a heavy poster (work, just got kittens spayed and neutered, company), and my tolerance for differences of opinion increases with each day of my age.

      We are all allowed to have fear… but not for too long, as fear is the necessary motivator to remain sharp! And, sharp we must be this year. Let’s all sharpen our minds to go along with the occasional lash, if ever it be.

      Love,
      MMM

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    • 2bAnon (3291 posts)
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      46. I've been mostly offline, moving to new digs has captured all my focus

      energy and time.  But on the few occasions i’ve take a minute or two to browse here with an occasional, kick & rec and post an sans content I have stumbled on one or two other posts intimating we’re going through some sort of contentious phase.  I’m sorry to be reading this, but I think we’ll get through it.    :heart:

       

      http://jackpineradicals.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/sergiolara2-1.mp3

      • VoiceOfReason (277 posts)
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        50. the bad people

        are using the strategy od “divide and conquer” To attack voters for attacking the citizens who voted for hillary seems to be working very well for them.

        I am a voter who would have loved to vote for bernie.

        I would go to hell before I voted for trump.

         

        • 2bAnon (3291 posts)
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          51. They're going full bore with the Anti-Russian thing

          Insane we’re going through this again.

           

          http://jackpineradicals.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/sergiolara2-1.mp3

          • d3lic (611 posts)
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            53. The full force of the Anti-Russian thing is a Dem tactic,

            it’s an excuse and also a provocation to war.  It provokes Trump and it provokes Russia into war, to prove that the US isn’t led by a Russian puppet- because it’s Putin trying to build an empire.

            It’s the most insane thing I’ve seen in years, and those years were 1+1/2 years of “primary” bullshit, and earlier years of Dem capitulation and subjugation and earlier years of Rep triumphalism, and ….

            What in the fuck are you guys doing down there?

            • 2bAnon (3291 posts)
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              54. Not too long ago it was a total Right Wing tactic.

              I recall way back in the early 70’s when I left the South and came to California. Car radios only had am band at the time,  AM Radio in Orange County in 1970/1971 was dominated by Right Wing John Bircher acolytes and Calvinists/Christian fundamentalists. Anti-Communist rhetoric was thick. Ronald Reagan was Governor of California and Nixon (who had a home in San Clemente where I lived at the time) was President.   This was the banner of the Republicans though there certainly was a faction (a la Johnson et al) of Dems who sang the same vomit inducing tune.

               

              http://jackpineradicals.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/sergiolara2-1.mp3

              • d3lic (611 posts)
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                57. Yah, well the Clinton 3rd way plan triangulated well.

                The situation is now that the Republicans under Trump are expected to introduce sanity to the situation, being touted even on JPR as being more “progressive”.

                It’s to laugh.

                Oh well, at least we got to see the instant karma of #goldenshowers sending the reich wing into a few days of frenzy, complaining that it’s a “new-birtherism” and crying in their soup that their shithead bigot of a birther leader Trump is being picked on unfairly.  At least we now know why he’s so … orange.

                Here, try to listen and watch this without wondering wtf Yoko is doing

                • 2bAnon (3291 posts)
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                  61. I'm still unpacking boxes and settling in new digs, but did I miss something?

                  Last I paid close attention, JPR is NOT supporter of Breitbart and the Alt Right.  JPR doesn’t claim Trump is a progressive, or that any of his appointments are progressive.    JPR DOES discuss alternative viewpoints especially from the perspective challenging D’s  vs R’s constructs.

                   

                  http://jackpineradicals.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/sergiolara2-1.mp3

            • VoiceOfReason (277 posts)
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              55. It's called Politics

              p-o-l-i-t-i-c-s.

              Both sides engage in these attacks.

              Do you agree?

               

              • d3lic (611 posts)
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                56. It's US politics. Yes I agree.

                I even understand when you say “both sides engage in these attacks”, implicitly acknowledging that there is no other point of view allowed than the D vs R game of “democracy” that the US endlessly plays.

                That an alternative can’t even be discussed on JPR without an entire cadre, I figure at least half of JPR contributors, interjecting with claims that in fact Trump is a progressive, because supposedly he’s not “establishment” or “corporate” or “MIC” or etc.   Alternating that with Breitbart  deflections #1, #2 or #3  as e.g. if the awfulness of Betsy DeVos is mentioned Breitbart #3 deflection is “but Arne Duncan” and if Gen Flynn is mentioned Breitbart #2 deflection is “but Hillary” and ….  fill in the blanks.

                When I read JPR I bang my head.

                I give up.

                The US is in full meltdown.

    • VoiceOfReason (277 posts)
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      52. Listen to the lyrics

      It has a lovely message.

      • VoiceOfReason (277 posts)
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        60. We need to Quit beating dead horses.

        It’s a waste of time.

    • VoiceOfReason (277 posts)
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      63. A demigod is coming to trump's WHITE house

      Billie Graham jr. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/01/12/how-donald-trump-is-bringing-billy-grahams-complicated-family-back-into-white-house-circles/?utm_term=.d88fbb549397&wpisrc=nl_faith&wpmm=1

    • Rosa Luxemburg (908 posts)
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      65. He'll probably be like Pinochet

      he has his junta lined up

           
      • VoiceOfReason (277 posts)
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        66. screw godwin's law

        He’ll be more like hitler.