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    The original JPR– Jackpine Needles: Something strange is happening in America

    This is from Jim’s blog, Jackpine Needles, posted in 2009.   I keep reading at another forum that we here would be disappointing him by our non-support of the establishment.

    Somehow I don’t think so.  He would not have agreed with everyone here, none of us do that anyway.  But I think he would have been proud.

    Friday, May 8, 2009
    Something strange is happening in America–
    something no virtually no living American has seen as an adult.

    People just aren’t drinking the Kool Ade any more. The cat’s out of the bottle. The genie’s out of the bag. There ain’t no goin’ back now. We have the power, we have the popular will on our side. There’s a new game in town, and the politicians had better learn it.

    A new poll says 52% want to legalize pot despite a decades-long, intensive propaganda campaign to keep it illegal.

    …..Harry and Louise be damned–57% of Americans would be willing to pay higher taxes in exchange for universal health care.

    …..The fact is, the rules of the game seem to be changing. All that corporate lucre will only guarantee your re-election if the public is willing to buy your propaganda message. The poll data I mentioned above indicates to me that this is not necessarily the case any more. People are finding new sources of information, largely online, but elsewhere too. Just as the establishment forces managed to capture public radio and turn it into a corporate mouthpiece, Amy Goodman appears on a thousand little low-power FM stations across the land. Internet radio, satellite radio–new voices appear everywhere, singing songs the corporations don’t want you to hear.

    ….Well, despite the best efforts of the propagandists, the public doesn’t seem to be falling for it any more. The majority is discovering itself. That is to say, we are becoming aware of the fact that we are indeed the majority. There is perhaps nothing more powerful on the political scene that a populism that has suddenly discovered its own popularity. 

    I think that we are that majority “discovering itself”.  We may not know how to handle that majority yet, but we are giving it a heck of a try.

    And we are no longer swallowing the trite media talk and the empty rhetoric pushed by the establishment Democratic Party.

    I don’t think he would have been at all appalled, as I recently read at a former forum.  I think he would instead be proud.

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    • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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      1. Moving post

      Also from his Jackpine Needles blog.

      Veterans days always make me feel weird.

      Especially when someone says “Thank you for your service.” You see, I was an infantryman in Vietnam, but I did not serve willingly. I was drafted, forced into a deadly form of involuntary servitude, and whatever illusions I might originally have had about the rightness of the war were quickly torn from me when I saw what we were doing to the innocent people, the sacred soils, the beautiful waters and jungles and mountains of that tormented land.

      “No, don’t thank me,” I want to say. “Forgive me. Forgive me for participating in that awful event in your name. If you must thank me for something, then thank me for joining the movement to stop the war when I got home.  Maybe thank me for the things I have tried to do for the castoffs of society–the mentally ill, the developmentally disabled, the emotionally damaged products of chaotic and abusive homes who have gone on to fill our jails and prisons. But don’t thank me for going off to participate in the destruction of a foreign land whose residents never intended any harm to you or me.” . 

      We learned nothing from that war or whatever you want to call it.  My late hubby had served in the Korean conflict it’s called since war was never declared.   We also learned nothing from that.

      We didn’t learn from the invasion of Iraq on false information which our leaders knew was false but invaded anyway.   We just kept going from one Middle East country to the next using our weapons to spread democracy to countries that did not want it.

      I can understand that post at Jackpine Needles.  My generation lost so many in Vietnam.  I attended way too many memorials services.  I was with the teacher in the room next to me when they came to tell her that her husband’s body was found….that he was no longer missing in action.

      We may be learning but our leaders have not learned anything at all despite all the lives lost.

      If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
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        2. Thanks I was drafted, forced into a deadly form of involuntary servitude, and w

        I was drafted, forced into a deadly form of involuntary servitude, and whatever illusions I might originally have had about the rightness of the war were quickly torn from me when I saw what we were doing to the innocent people, the sacred soils, the beautiful waters and jungles and mountains of that tormented land.

        “No, don’t thank me,” I want to say. “Forgive me. Forgive me for participating in that awful event in your name. If you must thank me for something, then thank me for joining the movement to stop the war when I got home.  Maybe thank me for the things I have tried to do for the castoffs of society–the mentally ill, the developmentally disabled, the emotionally damaged products of chaotic and abusive homes who have gone on to fill our jails and prisons. But don’t thank me for going off to participate in the destruction of a foreign land whose residents never intended any harm to you or me.” .

        • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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          12. So many Vietnam vets felt that deeply.

          So many lives lost, for so little reason at all.

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      • MrMickeysMom (1050 posts)
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        6. I love that post…

        and thank him posthumously for what he worked for post Vietnam “conflict”… It’s always what we seem to be doing to other human beings… We are another them.

        Hell no...I'm not giving up...     cat-gif-238.gif giphy.gif
        • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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          13. And we just keep doing it over and over again.

          Accomplishing nothing but killing and pain.

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          • zeemike (852 posts)
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            39. It's because we DO get fooled again

            It is the flaw of a trusting and believing nature…and they use it against us. That virtue is exploitable.

            You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?”
      • Silver Witch (3658 posts)
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        24. Wednesday morning tears. Darn.

        Make an old woman cry. What silly fools we humans arr destroying everything around us.  Thank mother earth  that she allows us to keep trying to get it right. Maybe some day we will.

        Travel well Jim!  You and your wise words are missed.

        You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free. ~ Clarence Darrow
        • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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          32. I had a few tears when I posted that early morning.

          He used just the right words to describe that horrible Vietnam era.   I remember one of our city’s finest at the memorial for his son.  His wife came up to me, just stood there, and said why? She said she was a Christian (which I already knew)….she said God didn’t need him and the next person who said it to her she might slap.

          It was their only son and they had him late in life.   I’ll never forget that.  It was a packed service in a very large church.

          And LBJ went ahead and escalated.

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          • Silver Witch (3658 posts)
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            42. I can bearly stand remembering those years MadFloridian….

            We marched, we protested and still our friends died.  I dated the nicest man in the world who did 4 tours there – hoping he would be killed.  The Agent Orange was eating him alive – he has lost much of his rump and his feet were ruined….he lived with his mother and stopped dating me after about 6 months – because he said he was no good to me (meaning I think the illness from being there).  I thought I made him laugh and I had hoped he would find joy with me…but there is no turning a man around when they decide.

            I think of him still and hope he found peace.

            You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free. ~ Clarence Darrow
      • Ohio Barbarian (1352 posts)
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        36. As a veteran, I completely understand his sentiments. I feel the same way.

        I even wrote a post on the subject on another forum, the now-defunct Fire Dog Lake. Unlike Jim, I wasn’t drafted, but I desperately needed a job with some stability. I was lucky, and did not see the type of combat and its aftermath Jim did. I freely admit I did my best to arrange that by becoming an electronics technician in the Navy. Air-conditioned spaces, dry places to sleep, last ones on the ship, first ones off. Compared to him and others like him, I had it easy and I know it.

        But people nearly always say “Thank you for your service.” Service for what? Maintaining imperial equipment? Protecting the lives of my shipmates by making sure the air-search radar and communications equipment actually worked? Earning a steady paycheck for my family? Keeping some taverns profitable? The only thank you’s I got from the government was a paralegal certificate from the new GI Bill which did little to help me find employment due to the job market at the time, and a fixed interest rate on my mortgage courtesy of the VA.

        I’m not complaining about my own circumstances, but if Americans really want to thank both active duty people and veterans for their service, they’d insist those people get the medical and psychological help they need when they come home, are guaranteed a decent living, and would pay the active duty people a helluva a lot more than they are. For that matter, shouldn’t everybody have those things?

        Perhaps the next time somebody utters that feel good catch phrase to me, I should reply, “If you really want to thank me for my service, learn what capitalism really is, what socialism really is, and stop voting for corporate whores.”

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
      • Ohio Barbarian (1352 posts)
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        37. Thanks for posting this, Madflo.

        I think I remember actually reading it at the time, and thinking, “Now that guy gets it.”

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
      • Marym625 (15003 posts)
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        49. I remember that post

        I remember it well.  It is just as moving now as it was then.

        Vietnam, another war based on lies.  And the lie that led to the escalation that caused the loss of so very many…the Gulf of Tokin.

        There is no doubt that money and power are more important than lives to The United States of America, Inc.

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    • Haikugal (4657 posts)
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      3. Recommended! Thanks MadFloridian for this post!

        Be the bird.....       Hey DNC! Up Yours! It's ON!!
      • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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        4. You are welcome.

        Heard you were under the weather, and sure hope you are on the mend.  :hug: :hug: :heart:

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
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          5. Thanks. Improvement is slow but happening…

            Be the bird.....       Hey DNC! Up Yours! It's ON!!
    • 99Forever (2131 posts)
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      7. And that Maddy…

      … is why we proudly proclaim ourselves Jackpine Radicals.

      I wish I could rec this post a thousand, nay, a million times. Thank you so much for starting my day with this.

      99Forever, Proud Jackpine Radical

      • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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        14. It's a good way to start a day.

        :hi:

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    • Marym625 (15003 posts)
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      8. Man, i miss this man.

      I love this post. Thank you so much.

      You’re right, he wouldn’t like everything. But he would be proud that we are trying and not falling for the establishment rhetoric. It’s why he wanted this site. To get away from the bullying, the nastiness and the establishment, corporatist line.

      Thank you. On The Daily Radical

      948c8f248a Thank you DNC, Hillary Clinton, The Hillary Clinton Players, GOP, RNC and CrossCheck for Trump. Enjoy it while it lasts. The Revolution may not be televised but it's beginning. And we'll win
    • Scuba (2347 posts)
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      9. Anyone stating Jim would be disappointed …

      … by our non-support of the establishment didn’t know Jim.

    • Jefferson23 (2392 posts)
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      10. I didn't know him as well as many of you but it seemed to me the other forum

      became more about something else. Disagreements are healthy but were not embraced as such as far as I was concerned. I left last April.

      What Jim said back in 2009 is undeniable yet persistent voices over there seemed to accept the idea our side had no choice but to be participants in the corporate money game. When Sanders proved that was not necessary I was kind of shocked many there remained in protection mode for Clinton and for that matter Obama. It was disappointing to see because the reasons we don’t have good legislation always goes back to the money. Jim was speaking the truth:

      * Hell, even the teabaggers, if they could figure out exactly what it is they’re mad about, would discover that they too are just damned sick of being exploited by the corporate ruling class.

      The Republicans and DINOs (who, combined, sadly constitute majorities in both houses of Congress) ignore these signs at their peril. If they manage to thwart the public will on these and a few other hot-button issues, I suspect they are going to find themselves confronting some unwelcome and unexpected turns of events in 2010.

      Great tribute thread, madfloridian….thank you.

       

      • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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        15. It fell for the old Clintonism…fall in love, but then fall in line.

        I had to leave because I could not fall in line.

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
        • Jefferson23 (2392 posts)
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          17. They ignored the most important aspect of Bernie's campaign, we do not

          need blood money. There was nothing else to talk about as far as I was concerned.

          • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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            19. Yep, I agree.

            I can’t defend their war mongering policies anymore.

            If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
      • Silver Witch (3658 posts)
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        27. 2018 is going to be the first herald of the trumpet!

        If the dems ignore it, I suspect there will be a revolution.  I see it already. If the media won’t tell us truth, twitter or alternative media will. We were given the Internet and now use it proudly!!

        Like the Bernie WV town hall the other day. Just WOW we saw the truth. Everyone needs healthcare and party affiliation is no longer as important.

        Sorry I babble.

        You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free. ~ Clarence Darrow
        • Jefferson23 (2392 posts)
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          29. Yes and that is not babble imo..just the opposite. I try my best to be

          objective but come on. It’s always been about the ever increasing influence of money..Bernie showed we don’t need it. That you can rally the only thing we have left..our votes. The town halls have been a great vehicle to meet that end, the establishment will try and smear and or minimize but I would agree, we’re building a force against them.

          • Silver Witch (3658 posts)
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            43. True…proof in Town Halls power being those to chicken to show up at them.

            You can only protect your liberties in this world by protecting the other man's freedom. You can only be free if I am free. ~ Clarence Darrow
      • MistaP (3892 posts)
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        40. I think what the Clintons did was more than just turn the DP neolib

        they turned it codependent: if you cherished the memory of the New Deal and the Great Society, if you marched against ‘Nam and El Salvador, if you were for abortions, if you had a gay relative, you were obligated to give carte blanche to the First Couple, the most persecuted and lied-about pair in US history, no matter what they did; protecting them came first, and thence you protected all liberalism

        so while that worked to protect Bill and his unsustainable economic boom (just don’t pry too deeply into the falling Black unemployment rate), the hawkish, pro-GOP, and even totalitarian Hillary couldn’t be covered up by this sleight-of-hand even as she ramped up the codependency

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
        • Jefferson23 (2392 posts)
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          41. Agreed. Their history by the time she ran was impossible to ignore, imo.

          Other than gender, what was there to support? How was gender ever going to wash away who she really was? HER turn was a disastrous mix of projection and convoluted explanations for her austerity economics and her propensity for war. I found her campaign cynical and repulsive.

    • Enthusiast (6022 posts)
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      11. Kicked and Recommended! Incredible!

      The establishment has fought back by releasing a million paid sockpuppets. They increased their mainstream media influence to the point where they have become an embarrassment. Just look at what happened to MSNBC since, for example. Look what happened at SV. Good thing we have JPR to discuss these changes.

      I think Jim would be so with us.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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        16. I find it embarrassing to watch Dem strategists on TV….talking points…

        no original thoughts.  I don’t watch TV news now, so some of them may have gotten a spine.  I doubt it though.

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          20. We quit the TV media too, me and my wife. They don't deserve us.

          I was shocked to see the Chis Hayes-Bernie Sanders town hall in WVA. Or was it KY? Maybe MSNBC is trying to make amends. It’s just a little late.

          "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
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            56. I can't believe I used to watch Rachel all the time.

            I don’t even turn her show on anymore.

            If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
      • Jefferson23 (2392 posts)
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        18. Yep. The establishment is still trying to fault him and as you say, MSNBC is an

        embarrassment. The lines in the sand they made clear, imo….the establishment had no intentions of changing.

        • Enthusiast (6022 posts)
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          21. You are right. I think the establishment media is still fooling enough of us

          to “stay the course”. But we are eating away at their credibility every day, like termites wearing dentures. Unfortunately Trump has helped them muddy the water.

          "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
          • Jefferson23 (2392 posts)
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            23. I like the way you phrased that. What struck me over and over again

            while working for Sanders during the primary was how people who self identified as conservative and or Independent always said..I may not agree with him but he is honest…which leads to them listening to him, which can then lead to agreement. Are the recent  town halls with Bernie awesome or what? Hope springs eternal!

             

            • Enthusiast (6022 posts)
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              25. The people just want someone that tells them the truth.

              After 36 years of nothing but lying presidents can we blame them? 36 years, just imagine.

              Bernie is awesome and the people that hear him know it. That is why the establishment had to go to such extremes to cheat him out of the nomination.

              "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
              • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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                54. Yes, people want the truth.

                We’ve had to listen to so much spin for decades, and it sounds so false.

                If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
    • gardengoddess (223 posts)
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      22. Thank You!

      :hug: This is the first and only political website I’ve ever joined let alone felt comfortable to comment on…Thank you for giving me a place to call my on line home. I love this place and all the members whether I agree with them or not, I learn so much. :hug:

      Sheeeeuhlookuhlikeuhgnome        
      • Enthusiast (6022 posts)
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        26. It's nice to have you here, gardengoddess.

        :bounce:

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
        • gardengoddess (223 posts)
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          28. Thank you Enthusiast :o)

          :hug: I don’t know what the membership count is but I’m #2001

          Sheeeeuhlookuhlikeuhgnome        
      • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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        30. Glad to see you here. And that's the point….

        we are not supposed to agree all the time.  That’s really boring.

        :hi:

        If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
        • gardengoddess (223 posts)
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          31. Thank you madfloridian! :o)

          Waving back at ya!

          Sheeeeuhlookuhlikeuhgnome        
          • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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            33. You too can wave back.

            Just put the word hi in between colons.  There is a long list or two in the Q&A forum. You can do the same thing with colons with hug, rofl, cry, lol, and more…and my favorite…banghead

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            • gardengoddess (223 posts)
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              35. Thanks! I looked on the faq list and didn't see it….:o)

              I use :banghead: a lot! That and :facepalm: :hi:

              Sheeeeuhlookuhlikeuhgnome        
              • Marym625 (15003 posts)
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                51. That's because it's not labeled well

                Says something like, “where do I find the dancing bananas?”

                Here it is.  I’ll fix the name http://jackpineradicals.com/faq/#smileys

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            • Marym625 (15003 posts)
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              50. I never used banghead

              :banghead:

              Don’t forget the little roflmao :roflmao: or, the bounce :bounce: which, as we know is actually the Bernie Bounce! :)

              :bananas:

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              • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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                52. Now Mary, you should use banghead every day at least.

                And :grr: which grr

                I am using :facepalm: today because my garbage collectors left my trash and recycle bin hidden behind my neighbor’s hedge.   When I called to complain we both started laughing because it’s so stupid.  They are sending someone to correct the error.  The customer service lady apologized for laughing, that it was a new one when she thought all stupid stuff was tried already.

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                • Marym625 (15003 posts)
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                  53. LOL!

                  Nice of them to hide the cans. Maybe it’s a new game! See if you can find your bin and win a free pick up. :)

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        • VoiceOfReason (989 posts)
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          38. true

          and we can also disagree to disagree.

          "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire BERN BABY BERN!!  War is madness!
    • Oilwellian (102 posts)
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      34. Excellent post

      Thank you for the reminder, dear Madfloridian.  Jackpine was such a treasure and yes, he didn’t care too much about the establishment. lol Thanks for keeping it real.

      • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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        48. Another site has used that criticism to shame us.

        I don’t think they paid attention to his actual words.

         

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      44. Thanks, Mad

       
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    • WillyT (5931 posts)
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      45. Hear, Hear… Bravo Mad…

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      • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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        46. Thank you, WillyT

        :hi:

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    • Manny Goldstein (1671 posts)
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      47. Thank you!

      And thank you, too, Jim!

    • madfloridian (1370 posts)
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      55. Another great gem from Jim at Jackpine Needles. 2010

      What Price Security?

      We have now expended more than a trillion dollars and 5800 American military lives (4400 in Iraq and 1400 in Afghanistan) in the two wars we are fighting on the pretext of preventing another 9-11. This number, about twice the number lost in the WTC tragedy, does not count the perhaps one million civilian lives we have destroyed in the countries we invaded.

      On the home front, we are now twisting ourselves into knots and surrendering our freedoms at an alarming rate in order to prevent people from smuggling small amounts of explosives onto airplanes.

      However, anybody who really wants to take down an airplane can do so without smuggling anything on board in a body cavity. For example, a small, easily-smuggled ground-launched missile would do the job pretty well. If you want a sitting duck situation, shoot the missile at a plane that is just landing or taking off. 300 people might die, and that would be a great tragedy, of course, but it would also be comparable to the number of traffic fatalities in America in any random 3-day period. So, in the grand scale of things, we are putting more extreme strains on our democracy every day, and expending irreplaceable resources, on futile but highly intrusive procedures aimed at preventing relatively unlikely and relatively small-scale attacks.

      If all this TSA irradiating and gropery at the airports is totally ineffectual in preventing planes from being blown up then it must have some other purpose. Cranking up fear and rage in the public might be such a purpose. Or maybe it’s just a test of our docility.

      The worst possible terrorist attack on America might involve setting off a nuclear device in a major city. It could kill millions of people. Any coastal city would be totally vulnerable to a nuclear device in the hold of a tramp steamer from anywhere. But we aren’t at all thorough about searching bulk cargos.

      …..If we were really serious about preventing a truly disastrous terrorist attack, we would remove all those TSA people from the airports and put them to work searching the big ships and the cargo planes coming into the country.

      Did we ever improve out security resources in the areas he mentioned?

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