Segami (3128 posts)March 20, 2017 at 5:23 pm
Gallup: Donny Approval AFTER 60 days
Approval after 60 days (Gallup)
Bush Sr 56%
Bush Jr 58%
A Pile Of Dead Rodents 38%
— elan gale (@theyearofelan) March 20, 2017disillusioned73, Herman4747, Scuba and 9 othersbroiles, incognito, daleanime, A little weird, jwirr, glinda, Doremus Jessup, PADemD, tokenlib like this
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tokenlib (153 posts) (Reply to original post) March 20, 2017 at 5:30 pm
Fire with Fire (286 posts) (Reply to original post) March 20, 2017 at 5:42 pm
2. This is so frustrating
The GOP is a sitting duck right now. If the Opposition Party would shut the fuck about this Russia Fairy Tale, and quit yammering about the already well known fact that Trump is an asshole (it was pretty much his campaign pitch — “I’ll be YOUR asshole!”), it could be telling Trump’s voters to look at his actual policies and ask whether that is what you voted for. Instead of attacking the Republican POLICIES that this lying sack of shit is pushing forward, they are actively campaigning for President Pence with this ludicrous obsession with Trump’s personality.
Instead of pursuing such an obvious and traditional party message, these vermin have the nerve to argue the OPPOSITE. No, they REFUSE to address Trump voters because they are “racist.” How do we know they are all racists? They voted for Trump.
A tidy theory but a stupid one.
If there were any doubt before now about the motivations of the institutional Democratic Party, it is gone now. These people refuse to beat Trump, even when they have the tools to do so.
Obviously there is some other motivation for their bizarre behavior. Money does make people weird.
sadoldgirl (1436 posts) (Reply to Fire with Fire - post #2) March 20, 2017 at 5:47 pm
3. I don't think that it is just money. They are happy to play the opposition,
because they have nothing to govern with. Economically they are in
the same boat as the repugs. It is much easier to whine about the
new policies, but mainly push the false narrative that Putin is a
traitor. Now that catches everyones eyes! Please, remember how 12
Dem. Senators objected to Bernie’s amendment concerning buying
medication from Canada, while 12 repugs supported it. That in itself
tells the whole story.
Fire with Fire (286 posts) (Reply to sadoldgirl - post #3) March 20, 2017 at 5:59 pm
4. Not sure exactly what I think
about the individual personalities that make up the Institutional Democratic Party. I am sure that the reductive equation of it being nothing but greed that makes the apparatchiks tick is too simplistic in any given case. Human nature has a immense capacity for rationalization, and I am sure that, even over a beer, you’d get a vigorous and sincere denial from a DNC middle echelon staffer if you accused them of being nothing but a whore to Big Money.
Nevertheless, I don’t buy the rationalizations. I think that they work for institutions that define the limits of acceptable politics, and those limits now exclude stopping the Republican Party from passing its shit.
So the Party Line is now Russia Russia Russia, and everybody who wants to stay on the payroll had better stay on message. And that message ain’t Stop the Wars or Fuck Wall Street.
sadoldgirl (1436 posts) (Reply to Fire with Fire - post #4) March 20, 2017 at 6:20 pm
6. Let's be fair to them here: That message was not even in any way
mentioned in the 16 campaign. HRH supported wars, and her
campaign consistently went to fundraising from the big shots.
Sometimes I wonder whether she did not get money from the
Koch brothers via inscrutable ways. Why not, she and the party
thought that the $$$$$ would win her the WH.
Fire with Fire (286 posts) (Reply to sadoldgirl - post #6) March 20, 2017 at 6:25 pm
8. They are consistent, I'll give them that
They failed to beat Trump in 16. And they are sticking to their pop-guns in 17. They would rather lose again than win because to change to a winning message would cut off the gravy train.
Fire with Fire (286 posts) (Reply to sadoldgirl - post #3) March 20, 2017 at 6:11 pm
5. Responding to your post
I don’t quite understand what you mean by “play the opposition.” Or by “Economically they are in the same boat as the repugs.”
I am trying to say that they could easily mount a very effective PR campaign against the GOP as it is led by Trump. They don’t. My opinion is that the reason why they don’t is that they are going to let the GOP get everything it wants, and that is because the overwhelming majority of the money raised to finance their careers comes from people who want the GOP to get everything it wants.
I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you. I would appreciate you fleshing out your point of view.
sadoldgirl (1436 posts) (Reply to Fire with Fire - post #5) March 20, 2017 at 6:39 pm
9. what I meant with "playing the opposition" is exactly that. Outside of some
minor social problems, like who is allowed to which bathroom, the Dems
are in total alignment with the repugs in economic issues. However, every
now and then a few of them pretend that they are protesting the repugs’
policies. Think about it this way: What actual policies and changes could
they run on? Anything that came from Bernie was ridiculed and deemed
idiotic or impossible. All they are waiting for is for the repugs’ policies to
get people so angry (mind you without truly fighting them), that everyone
returns into their fold. In the meantime it is “Russia, Russia” etc..
MistaP (3892 posts) (Reply to Fire with Fire - post #2) March 21, 2017 at 12:55 pm
11. they think that it's 1920 again and they can just "sit it out" for over a decade
until an FDR on a white horse comes a-riding to their rescue: they have the money to sit pretty until 2028 and wait for at least the House to swing toward their lazy asses just from some political equivalent of Brownian Motionhttp://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
Green Dog Dem (1437 posts) (Reply to MistaP - post #11) March 22, 2017 at 10:51 am
12. Never mind that it took the Great Depression to feed that white horse.Aloha! KamaAina in the hale (house).
Tierra y Libertad (1149 posts) (Reply to original post) March 20, 2017 at 6:25 pm
7. Even the suckers who voted for him are catching on.
But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing. Thomas Paine
disillusioned73 (179 posts) (Reply to original post) March 21, 2017 at 12:18 pm
10. "A Pile Of Dead Rodents"…
lmao…"Certainly there are some people in the Democratic Party who want to maintain the status quo. They would rather go down with the Titanic so long as they have first-class seats." - Bernie Sanders