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  • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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    I'm not a Russian troll.

    Yes, I use a fictional Russian revolutionary as my avatar, but that’s because of Julie Christie – not some political statement.

    Yes, I watch Thom Hartmann, Ed Shultz and Lee Camp, all Russia Today shows. But I watch them on YouTube because my cable package doesn’t carry RT. These are all liberal/progressive talkers who actually make mention of the working and middle classes. I watch an occasional news piece from them, but realize they are state-run and keep that bias in the back of my mind.

    Yes, a few of my neighbors are from Russia.

    Yes, my husband speaks Russian, but he used that to spy on them when he was an active duty U.S. Army soldier.

    And, that, my friends, is the extent of my connection to Russia.

    What I do have a connection with is critical thinking.

    I could clearly see that Hillary Clinton was a horrible candidate: she was the ultimate insider in an anti-establishment election year. She supported fracking and bad trade deals and would not have honored any promise not to support those issues once she entered office – her close friend Terry McAuliffe said so. She never met a war she didn’t like or planned (Iraq, Libya, Syria, etc.). She took more money from Wall Street than any other candidate this election, so any promises she made to correct income inequality weren’t worth the platform she screeched from. She was also probably the most corrupt politician that ever ran: the Clinton Foundation, with it’s high overhead, served more as a Clinton family cash cow than as a charitable organization. I was #NeverHillary before Bernie even through his union-made hat into the ring.

    I also could see that Donald Trump was equally as bad. He is also corrupt and probably will tear this country from stem to stern before his presidency is over, but he did recognized that middle and working-class voters (yes, mostly white) in the Rust Belt were suffering under neoliberal policies and he swung his message to appeal to them rather than lecture them about eating peas. Of course, he didn’t mean it, but at least he gave it the lip-service the Clinton team couldn’t muster. He’s a bigoted buffoon who should have never gotten close to the nomination, much less become president. But, since his opponent was a tone-deaf, neoliberal, corrupt Democratic Party icon who surrounded herself with yes-men, he was able to garner the Electoral College votes he needed to win.

    Despite all the apoplectic bluster about members of this site being Russian trolls or Paid Putin Puppets™ by the pro-neoliberal Hillary shills on other sites, the fact is that I can PROVE no member here logs in from a Russian server (which is more proof than the Intelligence Community has given us about the DNC/Podesta leaked/hacked emails).

    Why, lookie there: ALL of the traffic coming into this site is from the United States and Canada. You can’t say that about certain pro-Third Way sites and their billionaire-owned media who are using all means of propaganda to say that JPR is a product of Putin.

    What I have noticed is this:

    1. Third Way sites are bleeding members like a hemophiliac. This is probably a result of their more liberal members leaving in droves and the fact that, now that the election is over, the Brock-funded propaganda bots have disappeared; and,
    2. Both the neoliberal and liberal sites are discussing Bernie Sanders and his message. While the neoliberals are, literally, trying to quash the ONLY progressive message against Trump that has surfaced since the election (preferring, instead, to point fingers at everyone but themselves for their Queen’s loss), the real liberals are trying to find effective ways to support Bernie and his goals. Yes, Third Wayers, Bernie is now the de facto leader of the Democratic Party whether you like it or not.

    So, my fellow JPRians, please check in if you, too, are not a Russian troll.

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    • goodgirl (2024 posts)
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      I make Beef Stroganoff for my husband, though.  He isn’t a Russian troll either.

      Mankind must put an end to war before war puts an end to mankind.    John F. Kennedy
      • Jefferson23 (1585 posts)
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        73. lol +1

        "  I am who I am, and what I believe in and what my spirituality is about is that we're all in this together." Bernie Sanders
      • Pacco Fransisco (2960 posts)
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        114. I watch Rocky and Bullwinkle so I am a Russian spy.

        I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
      • Mick Lady (174 posts)
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        117. Heh!

        Me too, in fact that was exactly what I was going to post!

        What fresh hell is this?
    • elias39 (2299 posts)
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      2. I'm Albanian so I can't be a Russian troll.

      “Name, no, nothing is nameable, tell, no, nothing can be told, what then, I don't know, I shouldn't have begun.” ― Samuel Beckett, Stories and Texts for Nothing
    • em77 (2507 posts)
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      3. I'm still thinking –

    • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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      4. I too, am not a Russian troll

      I took Russian in 7th grade. I remember half of the alphabet and one song.

      You, my dear Fawke Em, are going on The Daily Radical!

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      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        7. Which song?

        My husband sings one about a Merry-Go-Round.

           
        • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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          9. It's a children's song

          About a hunter and a rabbit.

          Can’t write Russian anymore so that’s as much as I can tell you. :(

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          • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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            12. We have a Cyrillic keyboard.

            I bet CrowdStrike would probably think my husband is a Russian-state hacker based on that alone. LOL.

            And, thanks for the inclusion in the Daily Radical. :blush:

               
            • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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              18. Thank you for the post!

              It’s an honor!

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    • NV Wino (2062 posts)
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      5. I like Russian Blues

      But then, I like most cats. Russian Wolfhounds are okay, too. They all seem to understand English so I’ve had no need to learn Russian.

          Don't blame me. I voted for Bernie and Jill.
      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        8. LOL… I read your title and thought "music" instead of "cats."

        I was just about to write that I do happen to like a couple of Russian rap songs, but that’s because I find the idea of Russian rap fascinating.

           
        • NV Wino (2062 posts)
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          10. That thought crossed my mind as I wrote it.

          So, I expanded the thought a bit.

          Do Russians even have blues? (Other than cats?)

              Don't blame me. I voted for Bernie and Jill.
          • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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            14. Apparently so.

               
            • NV Wino (2062 posts)
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              19. Not quite my idea of the blues.

              :rofl:

                  Don't blame me. I voted for Bernie and Jill.
        • awoke in 2003 (410 posts)
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          141. In Russian blues

          your woman leaves you to join the collective after you pick your mother up from the gulag while being drunk on vodka.

          Call me Owen
          • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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            144. LOL

            At least you get to keep your dog:

               
            • MistaP (3722 posts)
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              147. "Sometimes Konni leaves a room full of journalists with a very pleased

              expression on her face and biscuit crumbs around her mouth… Please do not feed my dog.”

              http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
              • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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                153. Konni's the lab.

                The one in the image I posted is Buffy.

                And, yes, I know far too much about Putin’s dogs. I know far too much about everyone’s dogs. I love dogs. Dogs are life. :)

                   
      • glinda (1438 posts)
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        46. I used to have a Russian Blue. In fact had 2. Not a troll but 1/2 Russian.

        I think I just outed myself.

        Adore Russian Painters, admire Russian skaters, studied Russian Dance, Love Russian writers.

        Oh well. Blame my father’s side. And he married a Pole.

        Animals know more than we do. - Native American proverb
        • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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          76. I used to play the oboe.

          That instrument is a favorite in Russian classical music.

          Wonder if my oboe is a troll?

             
    • Tuesday (507 posts)
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      6. I'm a quarter Lithuanian

      …not really a Russian troll

    • Haikugal (4291 posts)
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      11. Recommended and bookmarked.

      @marym625 here’s another great post for you!

      Thanks Fawke Em for a good read! I’m not a Russian troll either even though I read Russian history and learn about their various peoples. I’ll even go so far as say I admire much about Russia and it’s people but Putin is not my hero.

      Thanks again! :hi:

      on edit….late again, hi Mary!

        Be the bird.....       Hey DNC! Up Yours! It's ON!!
      • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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        24. Hi Haikugal!

        :hi:

        Better late than never. Hey, I could have missed it! That would have sucked!

        I read Fyodor Dostoevsky’s Crime and Punishment. A couple other great Russian novels. But I’m not a Russian troll. :)

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        • d3lic (792 posts)
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          30. Just don't get a toothache,

          then read what he wrote about toothache victims.

          The guy, Dostoevsky, was so fucking profound.  A real gift.

          • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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            36. :)

            Been a very long time since I read it But I do remember that

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            • d3lic (792 posts)
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              39. I wouldn't put "Putin" as bad as many like to portray him.

              He’s definitely a Russian nationalist, after all leading the nation.

              He is very popular, in Russia, leading after years of subjugation after the dissolution of the USSR.

              He is very smart.

              He has united with China on very significant fronts.

              The USA seems hostile to both Russia and China, and everyone else.

              • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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                41. I would

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                • d3lic (792 posts)
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                  44. OK.

                  But now it’s up to you to portray him in such negative terms as the US MIC portrays him.

                  To keep the US American Military Dream going.

                  Now you have Trump, you have to go all the way.  Then you have to believe it, and go for it, and accept the consequences.

                  • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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                    149. Uhm, yeah. That's what I said

                    Quite a leap

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                • northernsouthern (927 posts)
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                  53. Nice!

                  You have made my not a Russian troll list, but sadly you may have just made someone else’s list…

                   

                  I don’t like scapegoating, but I don’t like ignoring other’s issues either.

                  I love everything, this is my signature line by choice it is not censored in any way.

                  • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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                    150. I have no idea what you're talking about

                    :)

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                    • northernsouthern (927 posts)
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                      180. Lol.

                      I was responding to this and the what you said about Putin…

                      Better late than never. Hey, I could have missed it! That would have sucked!

                      I read Fyodor Dostoevsky’s Crime and Punishment. A couple other great Russian novels. But I’m not a Russian troll.

                      I was saying that you made the list of the person in the video for not giving all glowing marks (sarcastically). But basically I am not a fan of any leader being used as a scapegoat, but not a fan of ignoring their actual issues. That video is from Iron Sky II which pokes fun of all the leaders (our president is the lady from Alaska in the movie).

                      I love everything, this is my signature line by choice it is not censored in any way.

                      • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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                        186. Ah! Sorry. Slow on the uptake when I'm tired.

                        :)

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                • VoiceOfReason (412 posts)
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                  121. me

                  22222222222222222222222222222222222222222

                  "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire Voice Of Reason, aka , Troll destroyer
                  • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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                    152. :)

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              • Pacco Fransisco (2960 posts)
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                115. No worse than old man Herbert W Bush CIA chief and all that shit.

                I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
        • Hari (986 posts)
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          126. I read Crime and Punishment in college.

          I remember that one much more than I can remember The Brothers Karamazov.  Dostoevsky was a tragic figure.

          • Marym625 (13879 posts)
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            154. There was another tragic Russian novel i read and

            really liked. I can’t remember what the title was or who wrote it. But parts of it have stayed with me.

            Not a place you want to go to jail. :)

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    • MrMickeysMom (955 posts)
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      13. Fuck em, Fawkem – I'm a proud grandmother of a beautiful Russian born child!

      I plan on explaining to him the real role of Russia during the 2nd WW and how we are all citizens of a planet we must respect. Perhaps in time he’ll understand what 3rd way trolls helped do to this country.

      That was a great OP, BTW. :hug:

      Hell no...I'm not giving up...     cat-gif-238.gif giphy.gif
      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        17. Oh, some of the most beautiful people I've ever seen are Russians.

           
      • sabrina (5913 posts)
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        155. Congratulations on your beautiful grandchild, MMM. It's sad isn't it, how hard

        people work to make us all hate each other. But then I get it, if they can’t get us to hate people in the countries where they want war, then they might not be able to start those wars.

        Even more sad is to see how well it works, not on everyone, but on enough to allow those horrible wars to continue.

        I hope one day the PEOPLE of the world will join together and refuse to follow their leaders and the propaganda they disseminate and simply refuse to allow them to incite any more hatred.

    • KauaiK (2437 posts)
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      15. I'm half Armenian and have been called "an obvious Troll"

      You go get ’em Fawke Em.    My grandmother read magazines and books in cyrillic.  I wish I could.

      It's beginning to look a lot like fuck this.  

    • Eggar (920 posts)
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      16. No

      You’re the same Rock-em, Sock-em, Fawke Em giving us the goods we love to hear about

           

      #BernieMan_2017

      BlackRock-NV

    • Shlabotnik (449 posts)
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      20. Polite Canadian Troll checking in,

      Though I am half Russian on my mom’s side. :evilgrin:

      ~ All Good things are Wild and Free ~
    • Silver Witch (3194 posts)
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      21. I am neither Russian nor a Troll….

      I do not live under a bridge and nor do I have eat travelers that don’t pay my fee!!  Just a plain old woman…

      Use your energy, resources and time more wisely to create a better world instead of falling for and spreading all this oligarch generated hysteria. ~Dont call me Shirley Science 101. Just do it…. and hope you live through it and can report about it. ~So Far From Heaven
      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        29. Yeah, but do you scare goats?

           
        • Silver Witch (3194 posts)
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          33. I do indeed Fawke Em

          Use your energy, resources and time more wisely to create a better world instead of falling for and spreading all this oligarch generated hysteria. ~Dont call me Shirley Science 101. Just do it…. and hope you live through it and can report about it. ~So Far From Heaven
          • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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            100. LOL

               
        • Earth artist (655 posts)
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          96. That story is how we got our children

          to hike when they were little. Sometimes the hikes got really long cause there were many bridges and we had to act it out at each bridge.

           

          • FanBoy (5847 posts)
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            164. :

    • d3lic (792 posts)
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      22. I'm a Russian troll.

      I shit you not.

      And what I’ve got to say is:

      fuck you.

      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        28. Wouldn't that be:

        пошел на хуй

           
        • d3lic (792 posts)
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          34. Yah.

          And we are everywhere.

          We’re a paid for army!

          Be afraid.

      • Pacco Fransisco (2960 posts)
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        116. I like a good white Russian every once and a while.

        I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
    • HubHeaver (170 posts)
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      23. Not a troll

      nor a Russian.

    • madfloridian (1192 posts)
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      25. You must be reading Joan Walsh at Twitter.

      If a person is required to be loyal to a political party and not question their stands on issues, then any semblance of real truth is lost. https://twitter.com/madfloridian
      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        27. No. I'm a proud member of the Joan Walsh Block Party.

        ;)

           
      • d3lic (792 posts)
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        35. Wow.

        That jumps the shark.

        • Pacco Fransisco (2960 posts)
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          119. …and gets ate by one…

          I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
      • Koko (2157 posts)
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        77. So…Joan Walsh is still at it!

        I don’t know what happened to her but her articles for The Nation in favor of Hillary and against Bernie were so OTT that I cancelled my Nation Online Subscription.   Thing about so many (formerly respected) media people is that when you scratch the surface you find a neocon sympathizer manipulator lurking. As a reader you don’t know who they pal around with or who feeds them their information until there is an issue that triggers their true political leanings.

        This past election has exposed so many of them that there no wonder many of us are seeking alternative news from overseas for diversity and discussion which is no longer available here in the USA from our MSM.

        • Earth artist (655 posts)
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          97. Same here Koko

          I still got a copy of there New Year special I couldnt get through Half of it. The obama grovel was sickening. Not one word about the 100,000 he has killed for the mic. Not one word about any of the crap he pulled in his 8 year reign, just wonder boy barry.

           

      • Enthusiast (5482 posts)
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        103. I really really no longer like Joan Walsh even a tiny bit.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • sabrina (5913 posts)
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        156. Saw that on twitter, that woman has no shame, she so wants to be on the inside

        she’ll say anything. I love how this election has stripped the masks off so many supposed progressives.  Joan Walsh  is a troll, of the Third Way variety.

    • NVBirdlady (3756 posts)
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      26. Excellent post! No Russian here. We are French, Welch, Irish, German and English

      President Trump. Thanks DNC, HRC, DWS. #StillSanders. #NoDAPL  #NoKXL Giant Meteor 2020
    • FordPrefect (48 posts)
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      31. No Russian troll here. And to those peeking in from nameless other places…

    • BillZBubb (1661 posts)
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      32. I took a stab at a conversational Russian course once,

      but it didn’t stick so my troll status, Russian or otherwise, is incomplete. Nyet, Nyet, Nyet.

      “All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; Third, it is accepted as self-evident.” ― Arthur Schopenhauer
    • MistaP (3722 posts)
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      37. Stoli trollis!

      http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
    • Satan (1201 posts)
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      38. I am Red, but I am no Russian

      It is true that I stuck around St. Petersburg when I saw it was time for a change. But that was only a mere moment in a Devil’s long life.

      Fuck Trump, and fuck anybody who defends him. He has proven himself to be a threat to all life on Earth.
      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        43. I have sympathy for you.

        ;)

           
      • MistaP (3722 posts)
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        45. not after giving a certain noble witch her powers one moonless night

        http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
      • malokvale77 (940 posts)
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        134. I've been meaning to post this great tribute to you…

    • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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      40. I just found this and died laughing.

      It makes fun of them both, mostly:

         
    • tonyl (655 posts)
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      42. I remember refuelling fire extinguishers at the Russian Embassy in New Delhi

      in the early 60’s .. couldn’t understand Russian then and don’t now.

      My wife though had a bachelor’s degree in Russian and Japanese. I remember having her translate commentary from Russian chess magazines for me – this was long before the days of the internet.

      I’m no Russian troll.

      I am Australian.

      ON EDIT: Oh, and my chess coach is a Russian .. and I guess I should say that I’m such a tyro at all this online stuff that I don’t even know what a troll is (let alone a Russian one!!) – though I suppose I could guess.

      Because you cant have integrity occasionally
    • Yanath (181 posts)
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      47. The historical record demonstrates conclusively,

      that Russia has legitimate security concerns, having been invaded by all of the Western powers.

      The US is a belligerent empire, hell-bent on controlling strategic resources. Chomsky says the US ‘red line’ is on Russia’s border, and I tend to agree. The US would never tolerate a foreign power, fomenting violent revolution in Canada or Mexico, with the intention of diminishing US influence in the Western hemisphere. Everyone knows this.

      People tend to lose the ability to think rationally, when it comes to partisan politics.

      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        48. Completely agree.

        I just keep wondering what Russia has that our elites want.

        I have discovered that some of the Ukrainian elite have our government’s ear, but that can’t be the only reason we’re poking the red bear.

           
        • d3lic (792 posts)
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          49. The US has a war economy.

          US production is very much war, and military contracts are subject to gov’t decree.  It isn’t “capitalism”as classics would know it.

          This is over half of the US economy, and getting greater because everything else is being shoved out.

          This is why Saudi Arabia giving to the Clinton Foundation, even when there is no apparent interest in common, happens – because as SOS no-bid military contracts follow and everyone down the chain, including the camper in suburb Seattle, is happy.

          • FanBoy (5847 posts)
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            55. who's the camper in seattle?

            I take your point about the war economy — and looking to get bigger under trump

            the more things change etc

            • Earth artist (655 posts)
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              99. Boeing

              • FanBoy (5847 posts)
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                162. why is boeing the camper?

                • Earth artist (655 posts)
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                  168. Military contracts

                  • FanBoy (5847 posts)
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                    181. Specifically, I'm trying to understand what you mean by "camper"

                    and why you’re using that word for boeing and I guess amazon etc

                    • Earth artist (655 posts)
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                      185. Sorry

                      i was thinking he is using camper as residing. Both boing and amazon are now part of the Mic as it seems is the washington post

                      • FanBoy (5847 posts)
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                        187. boeing has been part of the mic since it was founded

                        In March 1910, William E. Boeing bought Heath’s shipyard in Seattle on the Duwamish River, which later became his first airplane factory. Boeing was incorporated in Seattle by William Boeing, on July 15, 1916, as “Pacific Aero Products Co.” ….The company stayed in Seattle to take advantage of the local supply of spruce wood…

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing

            • Earth artist (655 posts)
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              175. Bezos

              amazon and wp

      • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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        61. But, within my lifetime, Russia placed missiles just 90 miles from our border

        in Cuba.

        And now we have who knows what near Russia’s borders.

        Insanity is a universal quality.  People do the stupidest things.  Russia did not need missiles in Cuba, and we don’t need them all over the world either.  It’s all a way to make people look over there, to distract and scare.

        And both Russia and the US do it.

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        • Hobbit709 (1397 posts)
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          66. At the time we had missiles in several countries around the old Soviet Union.

          I won't shut up and I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing
          • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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            129. At the time, the iron curtain was a very real, physical thing.

            Do you know of any missile bases we had within 90 miles of the Russian border?  Maybe in Turkey?  A country that has its own defense problems.  Greece is farther from Russia than 90 miles.  So was West Germany.  I really can’t think of a place in which we were likely to have missiles 90 miles from Russia other than Alaska which borders on Russia.  Maybe Japan which, again, has its own defense problems.

            Where?

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            • Hobbit709 (1397 posts)
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              132. And we still had nukes in Turkey after we agreed to pull them out.

              Distance from Havana to D.C. is roughly the same as Frankfurt to Moscow

              I won't shut up and I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing
              • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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                139. The distance from Frankfurt to Moscow is 1,256 miles

                https://www.google.com/?client=safari&channel=mac_bm#channel=mac_bm&q=distance+Frankfurt+to+Moscow

                To be perfectly accurate, it is 103 miles, the closest distance between Cuba and Florida.”

                distance Cuba to US

                So the distance between Frankfurt and Moscow is 12 times the difference between Cuba and Florida.

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                • Hobbit709 (1397 posts)
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                  140. Key West wouldn't exactly have been a nuke target.

                  I was stating distance to capital city of each country.

                  I won't shut up and I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing
                • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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                  148. Cuba is closer to the US, to important US infrastructure such as Miami Beach

                  far closer than Frankfurt to Moscow.  There is no comparison.  If the Russians wanted to bomb Washington, D.C. or send missiles in that direction, they probably would not do it from Cuba.  Wouldn’t have done it back then either.

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                • ThinkingANew (1026 posts)
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                  161. apples and oranges. The distance between Cuba and Washington – 1211 Miles

                  Washington DC would be a better corollary to Moscow.

                  • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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                    170. Back then . . . distances were further.

                    Turkey and Japan and Alaska were close to Russia, but . . .

                    The air travel (bird fly) shortest distance between Russia and Turkey is 5,264 km= 3,271 miles.

                    If you travel with an airplane (which has average speed of 560 miles) from Russia to Turkey, It takes 5.84 hours to arrive.

                    http://www.distancefromto.net/distance-from-russia-to-turkey

                    The air travel (bird fly) shortest distance between Japan and Russia is 3,633 km= 2,257 miles.

                    If you travel with an airplane (which has average speed of 560 miles) from Japan to Russia, It takes 4.03 hours to arrive.

                    http://www.distancefromto.net/distance-from-japan-to-russia

                    The US and Russia have a border in Alaska.  Remember.  We bought Alaska from Russia.  Steward’s Folly.

                     

                    U.S. Secretary of State William H. Seward signs a treaty with Russia for the purchase of Alaska for $7 million. Despite the bargain price of roughly two cents an acre, the Alaskan purchase was ridiculed in Congress and in the press as “Seward’s folly,” “Seward’s icebox,” and President Andrew Johnson’s “polar bear garden.”

                    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/sewards-folly

                    Putting missiles in Cuba was 103 miles from our border.   Even if the distance numbers I am providing with regard to Turkey and Japan are a bit off, the mileage is not comparable to the mileage between Cuba and Florida.

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                  • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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                    172. Actually, Havana to D.C. is 1110.8 miles.

                    Wolfsburg Germany to Moscow would be a better comparison.  It’s only 1,104 miles.  Still a lot more than the 103 miles from Cuba to Florida.

                    We have and had a lot of important infrastructure in the area around the Gulf of Mexico including ports, the East and West coasts of Florida.  And there is just water between Cuba and Florida.  Whereas between Germany and Russia at the time of the Cuban missile crisis, there were countries including East Germany that made invasion very difficult.

                    The missiles in Cuba really were a huge threat to America.  That’s not saying our missiles were not a threat to the USSR.

                    Both sides were aiming guns at each other.

                    Things have improved a lot since then.

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                    • ThinkingANew (1026 posts)
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                      178. You don't think that Russia had/has cities and infrastructure

                      outside of Moscow?

                      I don’t get what you are trying to say? Sevastopol was a critical military city and port to the USSR (and a bose for nuclear subs). That is quite close to Turkey. East Berlin was very close to West Germany. There are just as many other examples.

                       

                      • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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                        183. The USSR had all kinds of military bases in East Germany and all over

                        Eastern Europe so the US bases there balanced that out.  There was no need to have missiles in Cuba.  It was sheer provocation — a continent away from Russia.  Our bases were there to protect countries from the fate that Eastern Europe had met after WWII with the USSR’s domination of them.

                        In college, my government teacher was named Benes.  He was the brother of Edward Benes.

                        From Wikipedia:

                        Beneš presided over a coalition government, the National Front, from 1946 headed by Communist leader Klement Gottwald as prime minister. On 21 February 1948, 12 non-Communist ministers resigned to protest Gottwald’s refusal to stop the packing of the police with Communists, despite a majority of the Cabinet ordering it to end. The non-Communists believed that Beneš would side with them and allow them to stay in office as a caretaker government pending elections.

                        Beneš initially refused to accept their resignations and insisted that no government could be formed without the non-Communist parties. However, Gottwald threatened a general strike unless Beneš appointed a Communist-dominated government. The Communists also occupied the offices of the non-Communists who had resigned. Amid fears that civil war was imminent and rumours that the Red Army would sweep in to back Gottwald, Beneš gave way on 25 February. He accepted the resignations of the non-Communist ministers and appointed a new government in accordance with Gottwald’s specifications. It was nominally still a coalition, but was dominated by Communists and fellow travelers—in effect, giving legal sanction to a Communist coup d’état.

                        Shortly afterward, elections were held in which voters were presented with a single list from the Communist-dominated National Front. The newly elected National Assembly approved the Ninth-of-May Constitution shortly after being sworn in. Although it was not a completely Communist document, it was close enough to the Soviet Constitution that Beneš refused to sign it. He resigned as President on 7 June 1948; Gottwald succeeded him.

                        Death
                        Beneš had been in poor health since suffering two strokes in 1947, and was a broken man after seeing a situation come about that he had made it his life’s work to avoid. He died of natural causes at his villa in Sezimovo Ústí, Czechoslovakia on 3 September 1948.[2] He is interred in the garden of his villa, and his bust is part of the gravestone. His wife (who lived until 2 December 1974) is interred beside him.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edvard_Bene%C5%A1

                        Coercion like that.  No effort to include those who might have different opinions.   It’s called dictatorship.  It’s called totalitarian.  People who act in the way that the Communists did after WWII believe they know everything.  No one knows everything. What can I say?

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        • Yanath (181 posts)
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          79. The threat from the USSR

          was exaggerated by US political leaders for ideological and economic reasons; a means for manufacturing consent for military spending and aggressive foreign policy initiatives. The missles in Cuba were a reaction to US missles in Turkey and Italy.

          • VoiceOfReason (412 posts)
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            124. dat true

            and proves that war is insanity.

             

             

            "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire Voice Of Reason, aka , Troll destroyer
          • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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            130. The USSR very jealously guarded its relationships with the "satellite" countries

            in Eastern Europe.   Turkey did not want to become yet another satellite, and Italy is more than 90 miles from Russia.

            Let’s don’t exaggerate the benevolence and helplessness of Russia and the Soviet Union.  I stand by my statement that all countries have a bit of craziness in them.  And many attempts have been made to invade Russia.  But it proves to be a fool’s errand.  No point in it..

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          • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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            138. And the threat from the US was probably exaggerated in Russia and used as

            an excuse to up the production capacity for military weapons and close the borders between Eastern and Western Europe.  Russia did that.  Not the West.  Close those borders I mean.

            The US is not the only militaristic country in the world.  Yes.  We spend more money on our military.  But other countries are equally militaristic.

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        • ThinkingANew (1026 posts)
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          160. That was actually a response to our placement of missiles near them

          I did not know this until someone else informed me on this site about 6 months ago. Checked it out and sure enough it is true.

      • sabrina (5913 posts)
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        157. Yes, partisan politics takes away all sense of reason. I was a Democrat until

        they stole the Primaries from Bernie and I saw just how corrupt the Dem Party is. I remember when I would not listen to anything negative about Dems.

        I am so glad that people are leaving both parties, freeing themselves of the cult-like willful blindness that seems to occur once you belong to a party.

        I feel so free now to simply assess things from a neutral pov.

        And the good thing is so do millions of other Americans, for the first time, there are far more registered Independents than members of either party.

        People are waking up.

        • Yanath (181 posts)
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          158. I've never been a Democratic partisan,

          but their platform has always been more closely aligned with my political ideology. At least they give lip-service to equality and such. The corruption and the nutty, paranoid propaganda has really got me saying, WTF, however.

    • Cassiopeia (1303 posts)
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      50. I told them so.

      I told them Her could not win the GE and I did so 6 weeks before Bernie even entered the race.

      Guess they shoulda listened to me.  They silenced me instead.

      • Dont call me Shirley (3107 posts)
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        128. Obama installed DWS…

        Specifically to elect Her Republican opponent.

    • Samantha (556 posts)
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      51. Doctor Zhivago is my all time favorite movie ever made

      I noticed your avatar spotlighted Julie Christie soon after I arrived here.  And that is so cool you featured her.  She, along with Omar Shariff, Geraldine Chaplin, Rod Steiger, Tom Courtenay and Alec Guinness, turned in simply excellent performances in Pasternak’s-based story of the Russian Revolution.  The photography alone is unforgettable.  Just submitting this post conjured up the image of Omar Shariff trudging through that humongous snow storm mile after mile trying to make it home following his forced service as a doctor during that revolution.

      So I do troll for that movie since it was stellar from every angle but in real life I only troll for the truth and fairness, which in today’s times is even more elusive than a clean election. Hopefully, the revolution launched by Bernie Sanders will eventually have a happier ending than Doctor Zhivago’s beautiful relationship with the lovely Lara, but both will always be unforgettable.

      Sam

      • Herman4747 (759 posts)
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        78. Yes, that was an excellent movie.

        Wikipedia reports.

        As of 2016, it is the eighth highest-grossing film of all time in the United States and Canada, adjusted for ticket-price inflation. It was ranked by the American Film Institute in 1998 as the 39th greatest film on their 100 Years..100 Movies list, and by the British Film Institute the following year as the 27th greatest British film of all time.

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      • closeupready (421 posts)
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        192. One of my top 20 for sure – I love ALL David Lean films.

        Lawrence of Arabia even more, Passage to India is up there somewhere but below 20.

        In contrast, last weekend I watched “Vertigo” which I’d never seen before.  Wasn’t so bad, but certainly NOT #1 of all time, and not even in my top 100.  While I enjoyed the scenery of pre-60’s San Francisco, and the story had interesting twists, and Kim Novak looked spectacular, I just wouldn’t watch it again because there were too many stretches of imagination required.

        The opinions and views expressed herein are solely those of the author.
    • Bubba (102 posts)
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      52. I'm Not A RUSSIAN Troll.

      But some posters here, and at least one moderator, think I’m some kind of troll.

      In my view, I’m not a troll at all. I’m just an ordinary guy doing the best I can and occasionally posting the truth as I see it.

       

    • FanBoy (5847 posts)
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      54. Bernie is now the de facto leader of the Democratic Party

      I hope you’re right

      • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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        62. Bernie is the true leader of the Democratic Party in my area of Los Angeles

        as of today.  See my post on this elsewhere posted tonight.  We held our delegate election today, and Bernie Bros (and Gals) pretty much took it.  Our Revolution is starting in my neighborhood tonight  — very quiet, polite and non-violent, but very surely a Bernie revolution.  I’m quite excited about it. My friends from the campaign will be delegates to our state convention.  Great news!

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        • FanBoy (5847 posts)
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          63. good to hear

          I would read your post but have no idea how to find it — if you wouldn’t mind linking me because I’m interested in how you (collective you) went about it.

    • NuttyFluffers (1770 posts)
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      56. i'm a Russian troll! but my Russian is really bad…

      Spicy bowl, Conrads! i’ll be here all week, try the veal! :redbanana:

    • cui bono (809 posts)
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      57. But… but… but…

      I bet you eat piroshkis when no one is looking!

      And it’s pretty obvious you’ve been hitting the vodka bottle.  ;)

            ~  Both times I left the Dem Party was because of a Clinton.  ~  "Shut the fuck up Donny."  ~
      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        146. Why would I hit a perfectly good bottle of Stoli?

        ;)

           
    • northernsouthern (927 posts)
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      58. Alexa is not a good way to track.

      The site you are using uses data from the browser…

      Alexa’s traffic estimates and ranks are based on the browsing behavior of people in our global data panel which is a sample of all internet users.

      https://support.alexa.com/hc/en-us/articles/200449744-How-are-Alexa-s-traffic-rankings-determined-

      I for one don’t have it installed on my browser. People hide their tracks so you can not tell where they come from, which is why they talk about digital finger prints for tracking. Also if you think about how much traffic trolls make up compared to regular users doing searches it would not be much at all. The site you are using as well as many others only show the top searches and force you to pay for more. You can use google analytics to search for it, but it has to be set up the the site and not sure if or what they charge.

      That being said you can still have fun with such sites. If you look at Russia, wikileaks.ru is used by more americans, and wikipedia.org is used second to the US by russians? The RNC gets large amounts of traffic from India, while the DNC gets France and China traffic. The FBI’s 4th most visits are from Japan. The drudgereport.com gets its 5th most traffic from the Netherlands? The US ranks the top traffic for “adult” themed sites in the top 50 sites of that genre.

      But again that is all just basically survey results as people have to have agreed to something to be tracked by these sites most often.

      I love everything, this is my signature line by choice it is not censored in any way.

      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        85. I know that the site results on browser use is self-selected and can be spoofed.

        But, my bigger point, is that by showing Alexa results, I’ve shown far more “proof” of digital data on our site visits than the Intelligence Community has on Russia hacking the DNC and/or Podesta.

        It was a jab, really. I think most people here know that anyone can  use a proxy server to fake their location. ;)

           
        • Pacco Fransisco (2960 posts)
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          120. Tor Browser works good too.

          I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
          • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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            135. Been meaning to look into that one, now that it's more user friendly.

            Thanks for the reminder.

               
    • Peace Patriot (1178 posts)
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      59. We really are living in "Alice in Wonderland"…

      …(“Through the Looking Glass”): an upside down, inside out, backwards world where the “Red Queen” gets all mad and “Off with their heads!” cuz some of the roses are born white, and she wants everything to be red, red, red, in honor of herself, so she forces her minions to paint the white roses red!  And they do.

      Lewis Carroll understood where it was all going better than George Orwell did.  Orwell understood grim realities, but Carroll got how entertaining and wild and fun and insane propaganda was going to become, and how much more effective that is, than the Stalinist model.  Stalin couldn’t laugh.  That’s why the Soviet Union failed.  Our Overlords, on the other hand, are laughing their heads off.  We are the white roses being painted red.  We are also the minions getting shit pay to do the painting.  We are the innocents falling down the rabbit hole and continuing to think logically and expecting others to think logically in an upside down, inside out, backwards, funny-mirror world run by mad monarchs. They think we are hilarious.  They throw mad Tea Parties for us, even.

      Try this sometime, and see if I’m not right.  Turn on CNN and listen with your eyes and see if you don’t hear jabberwocky.  No, no, no, that’s not Russian you’re seeing.  If you think you’re seeing Russian, then ” Off with your head!”  But if you see jabberwocky, and you get it, you really get it, then you’re an American.  So, wear your red paint with pride!  Better red than dead.

    • jdpriestly (4075 posts)
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      60. Well said. The one person I suspected of being a real Russian troll

      (probably wasn’t, but who knows?) is no longer posting much.  Good.

      Your post is great, Fawke Em.  And Julie Christie?  Always wonderful.

      No Truth!  No Trust!  Bernie or Bust!
    • Betty Karlson (2758 posts)
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      64. Not a troll, but for the forseeable future, I'm posting from Europe.

      Oh, and I own a book written by Vladimir Ryasanovsky.

      "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
    • Hobbit709 (1397 posts)
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      65. I'm Austrian.

      I won't shut up and I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing
    • HIP56948 (1428 posts)
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      67. I dated a Russian lady for 2 years. No big deal but boy, she was smart…

      …and sharp.  Her name was Tanya. Went to live in England.  I was in college, California,  studying for my astronomy degree. I’ll always have very fond memories of her.  The one that got away.  Sigh..

      • closeupready (421 posts)
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        193. On a trip through Germany in the early 90's, I met a couple of Russian girls

        (girls, not really – my ageish in their mid-20’s) on a train I was taking from Berlin to Warsaw.  They shared my compartment, and even though I don’t speak Russian and they didn’t speak English, I could sense how really smart they were.  It was a revelation to me, because they were allegedly all drunkards who couldn’t screw in a lightbulb correctly without assistance, and had bad schools.  Well, turns out, that was obviously a lie.  One of those experiences, I think, where your view of things is broadened because of your travel experience.

        The opinions and views expressed herein are solely those of the author.
    • peacecorps (2197 posts)
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      68. Agreed. Not a Russian troll or a Chinese troll or an Iranian troll.

      Or a Mexican troll. Or a Muslim troll. The demonization of foreign countries and their citizens is widespread, bipartisan and international.

      The creation and exploitation of the ‘foreign boogeyman’ is a tried-and-true strategy by the domestic 1% to focus the attention of the 99% away from domestic oligarchs who want us to believe they are part of “us”. Rather they want us to focus on those evil yet elusive foreign “others” who are actually responsible for the country’s problems, not our kind and benevolent oligarchs.

      FDR stood for high/progressive taxes, tight regulation of corporations, effective legislation to support strong unions, a strong safety net, fiscal policy that supports full employment rather than austerity, engagement with the rest of the world in terms of trade and diplomacy and the Four Freedoms. Bernie supports the same issues plus an understanding of the danger posed by climate change. Count me as an FDR/Bernie liberal.
    • Enthusiast (5482 posts)
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      69. I like your optimism and the belief that

      Bernie is now the de facto leader of the Democratic Party. It’s nice. But I don’t see how it is true.

      As long as corporate stooges like Pelosi and Schumer are in control I cannot even consider myself a Democrat. Pelosi even claimed the Democratic Party didn’t need to change.

      Hillary actually said, “This country will never, ever have single payer health care.” That is an out of touch candidate from an out of touch political party. 

      Single payer should be considered an emergency goal of the Democratic Party and be proclaimed from the mountaintops as loud as we can shout it.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        86. Agreed that, on paper, Pelosi and Schumer are the party's leaders, but, by

        de facto,” I meant that Bernie is now the leader THE PEOPLE are going to for answers. He’s now oft-invited to be on the talking head shows and still draws large rally crowds.

        Pelosi and Schumer may be elected by the handful of elites in the party, but the average person is listening to Bernie.

           
        • Enthusiast (5482 posts)
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          102. Thanks. I like your answer.

          "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
        • FanBoy (5847 posts)
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          163. it's hard to have that populist appeal when you have to speak with the

          forked tongue

    • Salemcourt (134 posts)
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      70. planning to visit later this year.

      Does that make me a Russian troll?

    • Lynetta (607 posts)
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      71. I am not a Russian troll.

    • Fuddnik (492 posts)
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      72. I am not a Russian troll, comrade!

      But, about 40 years ago, I dated a woman, whose grandfather fought in the Bolshevik Revolution. Met him at a holiday dinner.

      If it ain't broke, break it!
    • Jefferson23 (1585 posts)
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      74. It's all they've got..dumb baseless accusations.

      "  I am who I am, and what I believe in and what my spirituality is about is that we're all in this together." Bernie Sanders
    • Herman4747 (759 posts)
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      75. Well, I'm glad you're not.

      trekagainsttrump
    • senz (4358 posts)
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      80. Go back far enough, we're all related. Quite possibly African.

      From Russians I’ve met and those I’ve read (Dostoyesky, Tolstoy, Chekov, probably others, not sure if Nabokov counts), they are very human and real.

      There are no “bad” nationalities.

    • xloadiex (249 posts)
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      81. I made and drank

      Moscow Mules over the summer. After 2 of them I may have sounded like I was speaking Russian but I really wasn’t. I swear.

      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        90. My husband and I celebrated our wedding anniversary Saturday.

        He drank a Moscow Mule at dinner. He speaks Russian (for real). He’s still not a troll. ;)

           
    • vattel (888 posts)
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      82. My great grandmother's last name was Romanov,


      but I am not a Russian troll

      • whispers (958 posts)
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        87. When I was 12 I was reading "Quiet Flowed the Don"

        and “the Don Flows Home to Sea”, before that I read Chekov’s plays, and after Sholokov, I read Dostoyevsky’s “Brother’s” and then everything else.  I loved the Russian authors, (not Tolstoy).  But, I am not a Russian troll.  I do not like authoritarian societies…there nor here, and don’t wish to live in one.  Maybe I’ll get to visit Ireland one day.

        "There is no god higher than truth."  Gandhi
        • vattel (888 posts)
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          89. I loved Brothers but haven't read much Russian literature.

          I have been to the west coast of Ireland, though, and I highly recommend it!

        • whispers (958 posts)
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          94. If Ireland is as green as pictured I will love it!

          "There is no god higher than truth."  Gandhi
    • Autumn (564 posts)
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      83. I am a Russian Blue kittens snack bitch, and damn proud of it. Does that count?

      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        91. Russian Blue Snack Bitch is several pay grades above Russian Troll.

           
        • Autumn (564 posts)
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          101. It's almost a religious experience having a Russian Blue.

          She will get up on the table, lay down and give us that exact look.  Does anyone bother to tell her to get her damn car butt off the table?? Oh Hell NO. Some one will pick her up and kiss her face and get her a treat.  It’s a Russian plot I tell you.

    • Earth artist (655 posts)
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      95. I know I come from Russian German. Heritage

      I know my Great grandfather was asked to go to Russia and help during famine.

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921–22

      But  I also don’t hate Putin I don’t hate Russia I don’t hate Assad, just because a bunch of neo cons and neo liberals tell me I should.

      I don’t believe anything the msm tells me anymore and I check stories much more carefully than I used to.

      I am a truth troll! We are JPR truth trolls

       

    • Koko (2157 posts)
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      98. Not a Russian Troll…but admit loving Prokofiev's "Peter and the Wolf"

      Sergei Sergeyevich Prokofiev (/prəˈkɒfiɛf, proʊ-, -ˈkɔː-, -ˈkoʊ-, -jɛf, -jɛv, -iəf/;[1][2][3] Russian: Сергей Сергеевич Прокофьев, tr. Sergej Sergejevič Prokofjev;[n 1] 23 April 1891 – 5 March 1953) was a Russian and Soviet composer, pianist and conductor. As the creator of acknowledged masterpieces across numerous musical genres, he is regarded as one of the major composers of the 20th century. His works include such widely heard works as the March from The Love for Three Oranges, the suite Lieutenant Kijé, the ballet Romeo and Juliet – from which “Dance of the Knights” is taken – and Peter and the Wolf. Of the established forms and genres in which he worked, he created – excluding juvenilia – seven completed operas, seven symphonies, eight ballets, five piano concertos, two violin concertos, a cello concerto, a Symphony-Concerto for cello and orchestra, and nine completed piano sonatas.

      —-

      The Nazi invasion of the USSR spurred him to compose his most ambitious work, an operatic version of Leo Tolstoy’s War and Peace. In 1948 Prokofiev was attacked for producing “anti-democratic formalism”, so with his standing compromised and his income severely curtailed, he was forced to compose Stalinist Soviet music,[4] such as the cantata On Guard for Peace.[5] Nevertheless, he also enjoyed personal and artistic support from a new generation of Russian performers, notably Sviatoslav Richter and Mstislav Rostropovich: he wrote his ninth piano sonata for the former and his Symphony-Concerto for the latter.

      ———–
      ★ Peter and the Wolf ★ a musical fairytale Read By Leonard Bernstein ★

      Sergei Prokofiev himself calls “Peter and the Wolf” a “musical fairy tale for children.” In an understandable way Leonard Bernstein combines the various protagonists with an instrument which s timbre characterizes its way of acting.

    • LWolf (86 posts)
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      104. I ran into that thread by accident this morning.

      I don’t know why the vicious hatred still shocks and awes me, but it does.  How are they going to keep the Democratic Party relevant all by themselves, with their narrow and narrowing view of who “belongs?”

      I’m simply not going to spend time there; I’ve had 3 hides in a row, all posts that criticized the party’s response to November’s loss.  They simply can’t handle it, and are reduced to flinging hate.  So be it.

      I am not a Russian troll, either.  I’m a teacher and a grandma and a lifelong member of the liberal left, and I’m used to being shunned and attacked from the right there and where ever neoliberals congregate.

      • Koko (2157 posts)
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        127. Well..I'd question

        any site that required a “Loyalty Oath” swearing fealty to one chosen candidate to participate.  Smacks of something…and it isn’t Democracy.

        • LWolf (86 posts)
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          165. Yes.

          And it’s always been that way; it was just less blatant in earlier years.

          Meanwhile, the world goes on, and if I’m going to talk politics, I’m going to do so uncensored.

    • faultindicator (557 posts)
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      105. Late nt, as in not troll, now nt as in … nt

      A malfunction causes an FI (fault indicator) to light up on the dash. It flashes in code saying what to fix. Simple and straight forward. Just like this place - causes and solutions without the bullshit.
    • Pacco Fransisco (2960 posts)
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      106. What ever happened to that whole "French fries" thing?

      I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        110. Freedom Mules, Freedom Blue cats, Freedom dressing

        I can see the possibilities.

           
        • Pacco Fransisco (2960 posts)
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          113. So no more Russian salad dressing?

          I am L0oniX  Fuck David and his pin head DLC 3rd way herd of goats
      • sabrina (5913 posts)
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        159. The French got a new leader who changed France's policies of not getting

        involved in the neocon wars. After that, freedom fries instantly became French Fries again. The consistency of the inconsistency of war mongers is remarkable.

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    • BlueAK (1194 posts)
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      I’m not a Russian troll, either, but on a clear day I can see Russia from my house, and my grandson is into his 10th year of Russian language immersion at school, so there’s that.

      https://northernvisions.smugmug.com/
    • Xyzse (1346 posts)
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      111. When one seeks fairness, that does not make one a Russian Troll.

      It is my firm belief that everyone of us really just wants to live and survive throughout these trying times.  Circumstances pushing people to act and think in ways they would have thought improbable a few years to days back.

      The problem here now I think is mistrust on the Government.  Many here used to trust the government a bit more, particularly the Democratic establishment.  Given many indications that the government could not be trusted due to factors such as:

      • Unlawful, well technically lawful mass-over-surveillance.  Particularly as they said they will limit this, it has just proceeded and advanced further with Obama, though he campaigned against it.
      • The Intelligence reports that got us in to Iraq, and many other countries now.
      • We have become in the business of Regime Change, and that merely destabilizes regions, creating worse problems, when the idea is allowing stability.
      • Whistleblowers have gotten such harsh treatment with this nearly past Administration.  Edward Snowden, Chelsea Manning and even Julian Assange.  That though I agree that they deserve punishment for their actions, the items they have revealed are real and that is what should be concentrated on.  That they are continuously fighting against the messenger rather than dealing with the issues blows my mind.
      • Their creation of an anti-propaganda legislation that provides them tools to gather information on people and publications, limit information access and so forth.  This merely shows that they want to still perform these self-same shady and corrupt practices, merely giving themselves more tools to hide their wrong doing.

      That to me is the problem.  This should actually scare people, and this has been happening under the current administration, and it is my hope that with how much people hate and dislike Trump, they would limit these things.

       

      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        136. Amen. And thank you for the thoughtful post!

           
      • VoiceOfReason (412 posts)
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        169. I would not bet on it

        I believe trump is involved with it.

        "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire Voice Of Reason, aka , Troll destroyer
        • Xyzse (1346 posts)
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          171. Trump is involved in what?

          I’d be able to formulate a better reply if this post was a bit more clear.

          Please feel free to explain, and if there is anything wrong with what I have said, do tell me.

          • VoiceOfReason (412 posts)
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            173. trump: fake news, fear mongering, making fun of handicapped people,

            traitorous collusion with putin.

            Your attack of obama.

            You are entitled to your opinion. nothing wrong with that, imo.

            "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire Voice Of Reason, aka , Troll destroyer
            • Xyzse (1346 posts)
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              174. Understood.

              Let me address each one.  Especially as you are bringing up items that I did not mention.

              1. Fake News:
                • Even the mainstream media can be wrong.  When it comes to news sources, people must do their own verification process.
                • Government has no business labeling websites and news sources as propaganda.  That is up to people to decide.
                • Government itself provides its own propaganda, using the mainstream media as their mouth-pieces.   Again, people must do their own verification process.
                • Did Obama not sign the anti-propaganda law that allows the government tools to limit information provided by other sources?  While repealing the government propaganda ban as well in 2013?  He did this, which then provides someone like Trump the ability to label certain cites as propaganda, citing foreign influence from any country.  I am sorry, but that to me is insane.
              2. Fear Mongering:
                • I agree that fear mongering is being done by this current administration in regards to Trump, Russia and so forth.
                • Up till now there has been no solid proof other than an assertion by the Intelligence agencies that Russia was the one who did the hacking.  Assertions without evidence is worthless.  Had the CIA and other Intelligence agencies not messed up with Iraq, Syria and other places, they would have more credibility.  So yes, I see the Obama Administration propagating the fear of Russia at this time.
                • I dislike Trump, but at the moment, I don’t see him being the one making us afraid.  I find him an idiot, child, gibbering like a madman with no true position.  Yes he is a racist and misogynist, yet he’s not the one bringing us closer to war at this point.
              3. Making Fun of Handicapped People:
                • I did not bring this up, but I will address it.
                • Of course Trump is a jerk who made fun of handicapped people.  He’s been doing that for years, and that is indisputable.
                • Referencing my reply in another thread, “Donald Trump mocks a lot of people.  Now, if the question was, was he mocking them by acting out a disability?  Well, of course he did.  Then, add the question, does he mock people with and without disabilities the same way?  Of course he does, he’s not creative enough to mock people with any sort of class.  He merely resorts to grotesque depictions aided by his equally grotesque face.  It’s easy to mock people when you have a face like a scrunched up scratch and win ticket.”
                • He is indefensible in that way, but that is beyond dispute.  It does not change that he is not in power yet, and many of the things that people attack Trump on, are already happening at this time.  Just because someone is worse does not mean you allow someone else like the Democrats get away with things just because they are “Classy” or more acceptable by image.  Wrong doing is wrong doing, and concentrating on this which happened back in 2015 is ridiculous and missing the point.  There are so many other insane things going on, that concentrating on this?  Yeah, some people are fortunate that they get to worry about this instead of not having a job or being able to pay to live.
              4. Traitorous collusion with Putin:
                • Unless I get more information on this, I really don’t know.  You may be right that he is colluding with Putin, but without actual proof, I can’t go after him on this one.
                • Much like with Clinton’s emails, I did not go after her on that until it was confirmed and finally shown.  Until there is proof, I can’t just go by allegations.
                • Proof people cite in regards to this is tenuous at best.  Where they cite spam from Russia as proof of collusion just does not cut it.
              5. My attack on Obama:
                • Please provide evidence in which any of the items I mentioned was false.
                • Legal but morally bankrupt mass surveillance
                • Business of Regime Change, yes some of this was during the Bush era, but I was mentioning how our Intelligence Agencies are lacking credibility in their reports which gets us in to more foreign conflict.
                • Whistleblowers being pursued under Obama.
                • Anti-Propaganda Law that merely provides establishment politicians and the government tools to avoid scrutiny by labeling sites as propaganda or any sort of news.  This is Authoritarianism at its best.
                • Again, is there anything there that was false?

              My hope is that due to the people being scared of Trump, people would actually limit Executive power, rail against the mass surveillance that is happening to people right now.

              Trump is most likely going to be an absolute disaster and I think we’re screwed, but glossing over Obama’s faults is ridiculous.  Is Trump involved with Russia?  I actually have no idea.  There has been no solid proof in there, and if there is, then fine.  I don’t trust the guy to begin with and I will rail against him when he is in power and he is weakening civil liberties, our safety nets and education.

              So you may be right in regards to Trump collusion, but there does not even seem to be a pending investigation on that one.  Please correct me if I am wrong.  Once they do, we’ll know more.  As for Obama, there is too much proof of wrong-doing, and some of it is just plain damaging.  He is still in power for 10 more days, then we’re stuck in Trumpistan.

              • VoiceOfReason (412 posts)
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                176. That was an excellent reply

                IMHO.  You are an excellent courtious debater.

                Time for my meds.

                "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire Voice Of Reason, aka , Troll destroyer
                • Xyzse (1346 posts)
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                  177. Thank you.

                  I was trying to make sense of what you said, so I merely clarified my position.  I also try not to take anything personally.

                  Hope you’re well.

                  • VoiceOfReason (412 posts)
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                    184. your welcome and thank you too

                    I’m well, thank you.   best regards.

                     

                    "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire Voice Of Reason, aka , Troll destroyer
    • dorkzilla (2206 posts)
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      112. but but but I AM A RUSSIAN TROLL!!

      Hang on a second – – I thought we all were? You mean you guys weren’t in the Extremely Super Duper Top Secret Russian Troll meeting last Tuesday?

       

      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        137. There was a lot of people at that meeting.

        (P.S. Some idiot on Twitter actually didn’t realize where the name “Gru” came from. :banghead: )

           
    • misanthroptimist (623 posts)
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      118. Me Russian?

      Hell, you’d have to set me on fire just to get me to hurry a little bit.

      Don’t try the veal.

      "We watched the tragedy unfold; We did as we were told; We bought and sold; It was the greatest show on Earth; But then it's over" -Roger Waters, Amused to Death
    • VoiceOfReason (412 posts)
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      125. I'm no kind of troll

      But I did stay at a holiday inn once and that’s no guvna.

      "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire Voice Of Reason, aka , Troll destroyer
    • malokvale77 (940 posts)
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      131. I don't think I am, but…

      my mother’s name was Catherine and my granddaughter’s name is Catherine, so I can only say:

      “A great wind is blowing, and that gives you either imagination or a headache.”

      Catherine the Great

    • UnicornOnTheCob (815 posts)
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      133. I'm a Russian doll

      And there’s more of me inside of me.

       
    • VoiceOfReason (412 posts)
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      142. Not russian troll because…

      I have read every novel that tom clancy ever wrote.

      "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire Voice Of Reason, aka , Troll destroyer
    • Depaysement (677 posts)
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      143. Actually

      I care more about what you post than who others might say you are.

      "White youth, black youth Better find another solution Why not phone up Robin Hood And ask him for some wealth distribution" White Man in Hammersmith Palais (1978)
    • Passionate Progressive (923 posts)
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      145. I am a student of Russian history, politics and culture

      Listening to a discussion with an appreciation of where the other has been and is going enriches the understanding and enhances problem-solving opportunities.

      Seeing Russia through a nuanced lens of shades of gray rather than black and white and good vs. evil does not make one a troll.

    • TRex (1615 posts)
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      151. It doesn't matter, the Bubble Busters drank the Kool Aid.

      Now it will be up to the sane ones to clean up the resulting mess. The question is, who will do it. I’ve lost faith in politicians.

      I never promised you a rose garden.
    • 2bAnon (3643 posts)
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      166. Great post Fawke Em!

      I loved Julie Christie too back in the day.  I sort of had a secret crush on her back in the 60’s. LOL.

      :heart: :dance: :heart:

       

       

      http://jackpineradicals.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/sergiolara2-1.mp3

       
       
    • Blackspade (2306 posts)
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      167. Not the last time I checked….

      The M$M is trying to hard and their propaganda is showing….

    • Rozinante (2232 posts)
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      179. LOL! I just noticed the post to which OP is referring.

      Took a peek in SV to see what was happening. It was the mass hysteria and lunacy I expected. Just a bunch of stupid Heathers left there…glad I followed the smart people here.

      • ThomPaine (2406 posts)
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        189. Some sites are loaded with self-righteous bullies. If bullies have no one to

        bully, they are lost.

        aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
    • ThouArtThat (2378 posts)
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      188. No – You Are Worse – A Concerned American Citizen

      eom

      Spam Suppression - Cialis - Viagra - Levitra
    • ThomPaine (2406 posts)
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      190. One thing that seems to define idiocy is that their rants don't pass the

      faintest logic test.   So what’s the intent of calling JPR members, Russian Trolls?  Why would there be more than a handful of Russian Trolls be on any one site?  Wouldn’t that be a waste of resources?    Maybe they think JPR is the home base for Russian Trolls and we come here to discuss Russian Troll shit.  Wouldn’t that be easy to spot, even for neo-lib apologists?    And IMHO progressives are the hardest to influence and I think Russian Trolls would not get treated well here.  Unlike the authoritarian sites where truth is already elusive.

      aka rhett o rick.     The rich treat us like ants. They may avoid stepping on us, but if our home is in the way of their new swimming pool, we can kiss our ants goodbye.
    • Badger Badger (78 posts)
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      191. I am sorry to hear you are not a russian troll

      Does this mean they are looking for a new one?  Where can I sign up

      /snark

      Badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, badger, Argh! Snake, a snake! Snaaake! A snaaaake, oooh its a snake!
    • VoiceOfReason (412 posts)
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      194. russkie troll?

      Я не знаю, почему кто-нибудь здесь бы даже предположить, что я русский Тролль. Я даже не могу найти России на карте. Я искал на Южно-Китайское море ищет его. Последний я слышал, что tthere был добрый джентльмен, работает он с именем Сталина. Это, что место Трамп участвует в странный секс с голые chested чувак?

      "Men who do evil brilliantly are often admired"  Voltaire Voice Of Reason, aka , Troll destroyer
      • Fawke Em (2589 posts)
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        195. No, this isn't the place to find the bare-chested leader

        with his friends. Nyet.