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  • deepestblue (2142 posts)
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    Looking forward to seeing Jill and Ajamu's final #s

    I hope they did well.  Jill and Ajamu rock!  I love the fact that they ran a campaign to the left of Bernie.

    CNW, astrophuss like this
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc

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  • Depaysement (695 posts)
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    1. So far 1,176,449 votes

    Only 1% but about two and a half times what she received in 2012.

    "White youth, black youth Better find another solution Why not phone up Robin Hood And ask him for some wealth distribution" White Man in Hammersmith Palais (1978)
  • TM99 (4694 posts)
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    2. Sadly, it is not looking good.

    In most states they didn’t even break 1%.

    I have suspicions why but will wait to share after the dust settles.

    When you hear people raising reasoned objections to Trump’s policies and appointments, odds are that you’re listening to the sort of thoughtful dissent that’s essential to any semblance of democracy, and it may be worth taking seriously. When you hear people criticizing Trump and his appointees for doing the same thing his rivals would have done, or his predecessors did, odds are that you’re getting the normal hypocrisy of partisan politics, and you can roll your eyes and stroll on. But when you hear people shrieking that Donald Trump is the illegitimate result of a one-night stand between Ming the Merciless and Cruella de Vil, that he cackles in Russian while barbecuing babies on a bonfire, that everyone who voted for him must be a card-carrying Nazi who hates the human race, or whatever other bit of over-the-top hate speech happens to be fashionable among the chattering classes at the moment—why, then, dear reader, you’re hearing a phenomenon as omnipresent and unmentionable in today’s America as sex was in Victorian England. You’re hearing the voice of class bigotry: the hate that dare not speak its name.  -- John Michael Greer
    • Rozinante (2301 posts)
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      7. My thoughts….

      In my observation, third parties always end up underperforming pre-election polls. Both Johnson and Stein did. I think what happens is due to two factors…1) Supporters figure ‘what’s the use’ and simply don’t go to the polls, or 2) They go to the polls and chicken out at the last minute, and vote ‘lesser of two evils’.  It’s going to be a significant barrier to overcome in building a true progressive party.

      • TM99 (4694 posts)
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        8. I tend to agree.

        I think with the Greens, too much focus this year was on Sanders and the Democrats.  They need to start much earlier, run their convention I would argue before the Dems and Repubs, and push to get access long before August a mere few months from the vote.  That is in part what I am sharing with local Greens.

        When you hear people raising reasoned objections to Trump’s policies and appointments, odds are that you’re listening to the sort of thoughtful dissent that’s essential to any semblance of democracy, and it may be worth taking seriously. When you hear people criticizing Trump and his appointees for doing the same thing his rivals would have done, or his predecessors did, odds are that you’re getting the normal hypocrisy of partisan politics, and you can roll your eyes and stroll on. But when you hear people shrieking that Donald Trump is the illegitimate result of a one-night stand between Ming the Merciless and Cruella de Vil, that he cackles in Russian while barbecuing babies on a bonfire, that everyone who voted for him must be a card-carrying Nazi who hates the human race, or whatever other bit of over-the-top hate speech happens to be fashionable among the chattering classes at the moment—why, then, dear reader, you’re hearing a phenomenon as omnipresent and unmentionable in today’s America as sex was in Victorian England. You’re hearing the voice of class bigotry: the hate that dare not speak its name.  -- John Michael Greer
    • Akallabeth (2234 posts)
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      12. no way Jose

      Thanks for that bit of info.. There is no way this election was honest. Not even remotely so.

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      • TM99 (4694 posts)
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        13. If there was any massaging of the numbers

        it was the Democratic machine peeling off Stein votes to try and bolster Clinton.

        But that is speculation and I don’t think that happened.  They were too arrogant and certain that they were going to win.

        I simply think the turn out was low for other reasons that I will gladly discuss in another thread in a few days after more data and my thoughts are more organized on it.

         

        When you hear people raising reasoned objections to Trump’s policies and appointments, odds are that you’re listening to the sort of thoughtful dissent that’s essential to any semblance of democracy, and it may be worth taking seriously. When you hear people criticizing Trump and his appointees for doing the same thing his rivals would have done, or his predecessors did, odds are that you’re getting the normal hypocrisy of partisan politics, and you can roll your eyes and stroll on. But when you hear people shrieking that Donald Trump is the illegitimate result of a one-night stand between Ming the Merciless and Cruella de Vil, that he cackles in Russian while barbecuing babies on a bonfire, that everyone who voted for him must be a card-carrying Nazi who hates the human race, or whatever other bit of over-the-top hate speech happens to be fashionable among the chattering classes at the moment—why, then, dear reader, you’re hearing a phenomenon as omnipresent and unmentionable in today’s America as sex was in Victorian England. You’re hearing the voice of class bigotry: the hate that dare not speak its name.  -- John Michael Greer
  • mmonk (526 posts)
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    3. And a net negative for my family's income

    when we are to go back to those HSA’s.

  • Pangolino (139 posts)
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    4. I didn't see anything about her all last night.

    To me, that is a bit of a sign about how much outreach work is necessary ahead, even if (and I hope it’s true) the Clinton Democrats are somewhat damaged by this.

    • deepestblue (2142 posts)
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      5. Bernie needs to take the lead

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKeYbEOSqYc
  • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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    6. She got frozen out.

    Ithink that is where the rigging was.

    • tiamat (671 posts)
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      9. Who froze her out?

      ?

      • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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        10. The media, the major parties, the Establishment.

        • Snort McDork (1555 posts)
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          11. What voters seem to be drawn to is someone with a fire in their belly…

          Like Bernie. The fire and passion was there.

          I just watched the video of his rally in Sacramento in May. That was a yuuuuuuge freakin rally. I think it was over 20,000 because it was held at the fair grounds or Cal Expo. Willy T can tell you how big Cal Expo is. It is a big place. So no problem stuffing a few thousand people inside the main attractions area.

          But we need to find another candidate that has that fire. Pure and simple. You remember how pissed Bernie sounded when he announced? People picked up on that and was part of that anger-however implied.

          (Ed Schultz?)

          Oh, excuse me. I’m just thinking out loud. Sorry for the interruption.

          So who will that next Bernie be? We need to find out soon.