WillyT (4162 posts)January 11, 2017 at 8:52 am
McCain Admits He Gave Dossier Containing "Sensitive Information" On Trump To The
McCain Admits He Gave Dossier Containing “Sensitive Information” On Trump To The FBI – ZeroHedge
While hardly surprising considering the copious amounts of bad blood between the President elect and John McCain, earlier today the Arizona senator confirmed that he passed along the 35-page report to the FBI that details unverified allegations that President-elect Trump’s team coordinated with the Russian government to defeat Hillary Clinton.
In a statement released Wednesday, McCain said passing the report along was the extent of his involvement in the process.
“Late last year, I received sensitive information that has since been made public,” McCain said. “Upon examination of the contents, and unable to make a judgment about their accuracy, I delivered the information to the director of the FBI. That has been the extent of my contact with the FBI or any other government agency regarding this issue.”
As The Washington Examiner notes, reports surfaced Tuesday night that a foreign contact of McCain’s passed along the report detailing alleged compromising information the Russian government has on Trump. That report was published in full by Buzzfeed Tuesday evening, despite being unverified information.
As the Mail adds, Carl Bernstein, the Watergate reporter who contributed to the first story about its existence, suggested that McCain was handed it by a former British ambassador to Moscow.
Bernstein told CNN:
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StupidRedhead (2020 posts) (Reply to original post) January 11, 2017 at 10:19 am
1. I agree. Who in the fuck is McCain to recieve a report like this
I’m wondering who the hell was commissioned to make that stupid shit up.
id-entity (1543 posts) (Reply to StupidRedhead - post #1) January 11, 2017 at 6:38 pm
14. Christopher Steele
Tierra y Libertad (572 posts) (Reply to original post) January 11, 2017 at 10:24 am
But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants is the liberty of appearing. Thomas Paine
W8ing4Everyman (202 posts) (Reply to original post) January 11, 2017 at 10:39 am
3. Two words for McCain: "Timber Sycamore"
He is in the regime-change shit with Hillary up to his eyeballs. The MIA community has known what a nasty traitor he is since the 70s.
But as to this, my first guess would be that it came from that Ukrainian-Nazi chick that Hillary had on her staff in charge of oppo research — the same one who facilitated the PropOrNot bullshit… Alexandra something, I’d have to look up her last name, I have it in a notepad somewhere.
"Let justice be done, though the heavens fall."
(Jim Garrison, 1967, the only one to prosecute the assassination of JFK)
Flygirl (1619 posts) (Reply to W8ing4Everyman - post #3) January 11, 2017 at 10:43 am
4. Victoria Nueland? Robert (PNAC) Kagan's wife perhaps?According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
W8ing4Everyman (202 posts) (Reply to Flygirl - post #4) January 11, 2017 at 11:21 am
6. Found it — Alexandra Calupa, article link & excerpt
About 20 paragraphs down, there’s a section heading: “The DNC’s Ukrainian ultra-nationalist researcher cries treason”
“Because the PropOrNot blacklist of American journalist “traitors” is anonymous, and the Washington Post front-page article protects their anonymity, we can only speculate on their identity with what little information they’ve given us. And that little bit of information reveals only a Ukrainian ultranationalist thread—the salute, the same obsessively violent paranoia towards Russia, and towards journalists, who in the eyes of Ukrainian nationalists have always been dupes and stooges, if not outright collaborators, of Russian evil.
One of the key media sources who blamed the DNC hacks on Russia, ramping up fears of crypto-Putinist infiltration, is a Ukrainian-American lobbyist working for the DNC. She is Alexandra Chalupa—described as the head of the Democratic National Committee’s opposition research on Russia and on Trump, and founder and president of the Ukrainian lobby group “US United With Ukraine Coalition”, which lobbied hard to pass a 2014 bill increasing loans and military aid to Ukraine, imposing sanctions on Russians, and tightly aligning US and Ukraine geostrategic interests.
In October of this year, Yahoo News named Chalupa one of “16 People Who Shaped the 2016 Election” for her role in pinning the DNC leaks on Russian hackers, and for making the case that the Trump campaign was under Kremlin control. “As a Democratic Party consultant and proud Ukrainian-American, Alexandra Chalupa was outraged last spring when Donald Trump named Paul Manafort as his campaign manager,” the Yahoo profile began. “As she saw it, Manafort was a key figure in advancing Russian President Vladimir Putin’s agenda inside her ancestral homeland — and she was determined to expose it.
Chalupa worked with veteran reporter Michael Isikoff of Yahoo News to publicize her opposition research on Trump, Russia and Paul Manafort, as well as her many Ukrainian sources. In one leaked DNC email earlier this year, Chalupa boasts to DNC Communications Director Luis Miranda that she brought Isikoff to a US-government sponsored Washington event featuring 68 Ukrainian journalists, where Chalupa was invited “to speak specifically about Paul Manafort.” In turn, Isikoff named her as the key inside source “proving” that the Russians were behind the hacks, and that Trump’s campaign was under the spell of Kremlin spies and sorcerers.”
(there’s a lot more, and interior links)
It’s a long article and all of it is relevant to the whole Russian smear in general, and also the attempts to limit our freedom of speech to counter to their propaganda.
"Let justice be done, though the heavens fall."
(Jim Garrison, 1967, the only one to prosecute the assassination of JFK)
FanBoy (4741 posts) (Reply to W8ing4Everyman - post #6) January 11, 2017 at 10:45 pm
Flygirl (1619 posts) (Reply to original post) January 11, 2017 at 11:01 am
5. AFailed Coup? Larry Johnson No Quarter
Please go read it all..pay attention to last paragraph here…
A Failed CIA Coup? – NO QUARTER USA NET
Sources tell CNN that these same allegations about communications between the Trump campaign and the Russians, mentioned in classified briefings for congressional leaders last year, prompted then-Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid to send a letter to FBI Director Comey in October, in which he wrote, “It has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government — a foreign interest openly hostile to the United States.”. . .
Some of the memos were circulating as far back as last summer. What has changed since then is that US intelligence agencies have now checked out the former British intelligence operative and his vast network throughout Europe and find him and his sources to be credible enough to include some of the information in the presentations to the President and President-elect a few days ago. . . .
CNN has also learned that on December 9, Senator John McCain gave a full copy of the memos — dated from June through December, 2016 — to FBI Director James Comey. McCain became aware of the memos from a former British diplomat who had been posted in Moscow. But the FBI had already been given a set of the memos compiled up to August 2016, when the former MI6 agent presented them to an FBI official in Rome, according to national security officials. . . .
The raw memos on which the synopsis is based were prepared by the former MI6 agent, who was posted in Russia in the 1990s and now runs a private intelligence gathering firm. His investigations related to Mr. Trump were initially funded by groups and donors supporting Republican opponents of Mr. Trump during the GOP primaries, multiple sources confirmed to CNN. Those sources also said that once Mr. Trump became the nominee, further investigation was funded by groups and donors supporting Hillary Clinton!According to the DNC I am a Wife of a Taco Bowl Member!
em77 (1827 posts) (Reply to Flygirl - post #5) January 11, 2017 at 11:26 am
WillyT (4162 posts) (Reply to original post) January 11, 2017 at 5:07 pm
MusicofEbony (129 posts) (Reply to original post) January 11, 2017 at 5:29 pm
9. So are we now Pro McCain Now?
Just because McCain is against Trump, doesn’t make him good. He is still a neocon warmongerer.
WillyT (4162 posts) (Reply to MusicofEbony - post #9) January 11, 2017 at 5:32 pm
MusicofEbony (129 posts) (Reply to WillyT - post #10) January 11, 2017 at 5:35 pm
11. I get it now
I feel like we are all getting played. Setting the stage for Vice President Pence to become president. He scares me more than Trump.
TRex (1241 posts) (Reply to MusicofEbony - post #9) January 11, 2017 at 6:45 pm
15. Why do we have to be of one mind on anything?
That is for echo chambers.Sorry but I don't do Red vs Blue garbage or accept propaganda just because you like the country in question. If this is how you roll, ignore me I want nothing to do with you.
MusicofEbony (129 posts) (Reply to TRex - post #15) January 11, 2017 at 7:27 pm
16. I'm not asking us to be of one mind on anything,
but it is important that eventhough he is is anti Trump, McCain is still a neocon warmonger.
TRex (1241 posts) (Reply to MusicofEbony - post #16) January 11, 2017 at 7:57 pm
A scummy sellout. I doubt you will find a person on here that has a fondness for McCain. They all mean to do us harm, that much I bet we all agree on.Sorry but I don't do Red vs Blue garbage or accept propaganda just because you like the country in question. If this is how you roll, ignore me I want nothing to do with you.
OCMI (936 posts) (Reply to original post) January 11, 2017 at 6:27 pm
13. The GOP is working to overturn the election now that Dems have failed
Both playing the “Russia” card. The neos (con or lib, both are the same) work together toward the same goals for their common masters.
If the Democrats had been successful in overthrowing Trump’s Electoral College majority, there would have been riots in the streets and civil war. Do these idiots really believe it will be any different if it is the GOP staging the coup instead?
The average person is not listening to the Russia hysteria. Mainstream media must be reaching only 20% of possible viewers at this point, or people are just tuning out when the topic is covered. I frequently listen in to conversations held within earshot if the people are not talking about private matters. Very few are treating this as anything other than a game the government is playing to go into another war, when they bother to discuss it at all.
What is the conversation like where everyone else lives or works? Is anyone buying this?
The government is escalating the propaganda against Russia at an alarming rate, and refuses to back off or allow any opposition voice to be raised. There is something huge at stake that I just can’t put my finger on, and it is something that will be disastrous for this country and likely the world.If you dislike Trump, you should vote for him so we can change his party from within. Yes, Hillary supporters, this is how ridiculous you sound.
TwilightSporkle (1189 posts) (Reply to OCMI - post #13) January 11, 2017 at 7:44 pm
At some point in the near future, Siberian and Polar petroleum will overtake Middle Eastern oil. The US has a functional monopoly on the middle eastern oil, and if Russia produces more than that, the US will lose a lot of political and financial power; it will just evaporate, poof, and seventy-five years of investment along with it. So the idea is to crush Russia economically and politically to forstall that moment – we can’t “take their oil,” but we can prevent them from accessing it.
This is also why we haven’t moved to Solar – even as petroleum becomes a money-losing industry, there are still decades and decades of political power wrapped up in the stuff.
OCMI (936 posts) (Reply to TwilightSporkle - post #17) January 11, 2017 at 8:05 pm
23. Thank you, had not thought of the Russian oil reserves
I’ve been thinking from the perspective of control of Syria to dictate whose pipeline gets built, or having power over Russia so that US backed oil companies can force development by those companies.If you dislike Trump, you should vote for him so we can change his party from within. Yes, Hillary supporters, this is how ridiculous you sound.
jerry611 (66 posts) (Reply to OCMI - post #13) January 11, 2017 at 8:54 pm
24. CIA has to have a hand in a lot of this
They are leaking stuff like a sieve.
Not quite sure why the intelligence community is suddenly in an all out panic. But this has to go beyond simple Russian hacking of emails. Something else is going on here.
My guess would be something to do with Syria. WikiLeaks made allegations not long ago that the CIA is essentially funneling money to groups associated with ISIS in order to overthrow Assad. The last thing the CIA would want is for Trump to make a deal with Russia that keeps Assad in power and ends up slaughtering the rebels. The goal in getting rid of Assad has to do with expanding the balance of power, especially in Russia’s backyard.
id-entity (1543 posts) (Reply to jerry611 - post #24) January 11, 2017 at 9:07 pm
26. My estimate
is that CIA is in panick, because it just lost big way to DIA.
OCMI (936 posts) (Reply to jerry611 - post #24) January 12, 2017 at 12:23 pm
34. Syria is also about backing the Saudi goal of a uniformly Sunni Middle East
While slapping Assad allies Russia and Iran in the face.
I was hoping the incessant gaslighting would stop once the election was over. Looks like it may be around for a while.
id-entity (1543 posts) (Reply to OCMI - post #13) January 11, 2017 at 9:06 pm
25. DIA vs CIA
deep state infight, over who controls US foreign policy. With Trump, DIA won, at least this round, and Flynn is now the new go-to guy. At least over Syria DIA has been the more responsible adult. CIA&MSM “Putin did it” is a sign of pitiful weakness, Flynn has not commented this hulabaloo AFAIK, he does not have to. He has the ear of next POTUS and POTUS nominates the next head of CIA, etc.
OCMI (936 posts) (Reply to id-entity - post #25) January 12, 2017 at 12:25 pm
35. Where does the NSA sit in this mess?
They surely have all of the answers in their databases, yet not a peep is disclosed. Do you think they’re just not taking sides (yet)?
id-entity (1543 posts) (Reply to OCMI - post #35) January 12, 2017 at 6:35 pm
36. No idea.
FanBoy (4741 posts) (Reply to OCMI - post #13) January 11, 2017 at 10:51 pm
29. imo, most people are concerned with their private lives, good or bad
I’d say only about 20% is interested — at least on the surface of everyday life.
but dig a little deeper and most people are uneasy and uncertain and fundamentally uncommitted unless they’ve adopted one of the competing msm narratives — which a lot of them have.
Octafish (2275 posts) (Reply to original post) January 11, 2017 at 7:49 pm
19. Weird City
McCain dropping a dime on Trump via a Third Party. Great timing to energize Jebthro. Lovely, too, helping Hillary in the attempted coup by ridicule aftermath.
WillyT (4162 posts) (Reply to Octafish - post #19) January 11, 2017 at 7:52 pm
TRex (1241 posts) (Reply to Octafish - post #19) January 11, 2017 at 8:03 pm
22. They play is in full motion.
The only honest one was Bernie. I told you, I knew they would NOT allow BS to become the candidate! They had it fixed, that was why I was sure HRC would win.
No way Hollywood can make up shit like this.
Down the rabbit hole we go!
Xyzse (1140 posts) (Reply to original post) January 11, 2017 at 10:38 pm
27. Xyzse Conspiracy Theory Time: -shifty eyed emoticon if we have one-
From the looks of it, Trump is disliked by the Establishment. This goes with both Democrats and Republicans.
In many ways, he is uncontrollable, from his outbursts, especially his Twitter.
I actually find his Twitter a huge positive, as it allows for an unfiltered access towards the incoming most powerful man in the planet.
Even if many find him dumb, childish, egotistical and an all around jerk, me being one of them, in his core, he is still a businessman, and they are in the solutions business.
State a problem and provide a possible solution, he’ll have a gut reaction and blurt out what he thinks.
He might even agree with using solutions that the current political establishment will not even consider. In fact, he has already done so.
Due to this, he is such a wild card that he then becomes a liability for established interests, such as the Pharmaceutical Industry, Insurance Industry and especially the Military-Industrial Complex.
He has already hit all three through his tweets which sent the stocks of a notable company on each sector stumbling.
I do not see them taking that down lightly. In my mind they will deal with him in one of three ways.
- They will pile scandal upon scandal upon him, and riddling him with so many idiotic things that he then becomes relegated to putting out fires, and he won’t be able to say much or do much other than the dealing with those things that the media calls him out on.
- If (1) does not work, they will try to impeach him. They will probably use the self-same scandals and allegations that they used, to the point of making him do a Clinton. Where he would lie under oath. Once he does, they will then use that as grounds for Impeachment. Well, they may not even have to go that far, they can just make something else up easy.
- If (1) and (2) does not work, they will try to assassinate him. Since even if they try to do (1) and (2), those takes time and is no guarantee of efficacy. Trump has been the Radioactive Orange Cockroach that seems to refuse to die politically. He still has access to his tweets and can still make stocks tumble through one of his reactions quite easily. This also takes the least amount of time.
I do keep telling people this. When Paul Ryan introduced Mike Pence in a rally after the Republican win on the Presidency, he introduced him as if he was the one who won, and was the reason they won.
Mike Pence is far more dangerous than Donald Trump as he is part of the establishment, and he looks to be far more acceptable than Trump. He would lower people’s guards and not be in the state of hyper-vigilance that we are in now. As such, they would then be able to place even crazier more demeaning legislation under the radar.
In fact, the House attempt of removing one of the few safe-guards against them in terms of ethics was stymied by a Trump tweet, even if it was not an outright denunciation. People brought attention to it, but it was actually stopped.
In any case. I tend to be far more wary of a typical Republican at this time, and less worried about Trump since so many people are out to get him right now any way that I don’t feel like I have to. I know he’s bad, I know he’s a disaster, but at least I am not the only one looking out.
FanBoy (4741 posts) (Reply to Xyzse - post #27) January 11, 2017 at 11:08 pm
30. No one has answered me yet, but I still want to know why everybody
thinks Mike Pence is so damn dangerous.
He has no independent power (judging by his history) — trump has a bit — his money, his fathers money, two generations of money in new York and those associations and contacts for good or ill
pence is a nobody from nowhere and whatever power he is comes from elsewhere, imo. could someone please explain why pence is satan reborn?
Xyzse (1140 posts) (Reply to FanBoy - post #30) January 12, 2017 at 12:45 am
31. My apologies. I didn't see that.
See, at the moment, I tend to think the Establishment is far more dangerous than one single personage.
To me Mike Pence is intrinsically part of the establishment, and is a true believer of it. Kinda like how George W. Bush was a true believer of the establishment. As dumb as he was, he became extremely effective in pushing his agenda as he had the power structure that facilitate such an agenda.
Mike Pence can also project the image that many expect a politician to have. Unlike Trump who has a bombastic persona, Mike Pence can hide are at least let legislation pass under the radar. Pretty much similarly to what Obama has done, many allowed things to go through without looking at matters more closely.
In fact, due to Trump being so unacceptable to many, allowing any other Republican to take his place would provide them a lot of cover.
The typical Republican agenda, has been against education, extremely pro-corporation(with no limits, nor conditions), as they seek to destroy safety nets. Not just that, they have it placed in dogma. The fact that they believe their lies makes them more dangerous than an idiot that might try other approaches, as they can be systematic in destroying the pre-existing structures while hiding it from the rest of us.
Of course, with Trump, they can hide a lot of things too since people get so concentrated on the Trump behavioral problems and personal scandals, rather than concentrating on the issues.
So to me, Pence is dangerous, not because of him as a personality, but because he is part of the establishment and that is what I consider evil incarnate. I mean, if Ted Cruz won the nomination, I would have campaigned for Hillary, since he actually believes that people should be taken out of welfare, that they should mess around with education by adding religion in it, and so forth and so on. In some ways, I’d rather deal with ego that can be manipulated rather than a true believer who thinks that hurting you is good for you.
Ever hear of the quote:
“Most of the evil in this world is done by people with good intentions.”
― T.S. Eliot
An evil person gets tired of hurting you after a while, but someone hurting you while thinking it is good for you can be worse, since they will never stop. Especially when they are completely wrong.
I don’t know, I just weighed it that way. I have not much basis for it, but when projecting the probabilities, I see it going that way.
I can only hope I’m wrong.
FanBoy (4741 posts) (Reply to Xyzse - post #31) January 12, 2017 at 1:07 am
32. no worries. i genuinely want to know why so many are saying "ooh pence".
because he has no family or institutional history so far as I can tell, while the bush family has been close to power for generations — they got their start with the first rockefellers in the oil biz and finance r/t railroads (harrimans) and before that had relations with serious regional power back to the civil war at least and even before that — whatever you think about w he had organized power behind him and so many connections because of the history
pence’s grandfather was an irish immigrant bus driver and dad owned gas stations. pence went to a low end private college in Indiana, became a lawyer, failed to get elected to congress in 88 and 90, then turned right, got a talk show and started to rise. he became a member of the house just 16 years ago — his first successful foray into politics — with the tea party.
which is why I surmise his power comes from behind the scenes, as he was putatively ‘left’ when he initially got into politics and whatever power he has comes from being a figurehead on a rising tide not any deep convictions or power base of his own. kind of like Reagan in that way though Reagan probably had a longer relationship with power, as a hack and spy and putative liberal on the new deal wave who turned coat
Xyzse (1140 posts) (Reply to FanBoy - post #32) January 12, 2017 at 7:43 am
33. Thanks for telling me.
You definitely know more about it than me. I am basing mine on projection mostly, so I know mine is more based on feel than anything else. I tend to think the establishment is the greater evil and Pence to me is just a decent puppet they can use. Calm, collected and presentable. It is not on Pence himself, but what I think is behind him.