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  • Akallabeth (2234 posts)
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    New Wiki Leaks Sock Puppet Firm Emails

    A look inside how the governments and the multinational corporations manipulate people by creating hundreds of fake online personae per person

    Peace Patriot, snot, Lynetta and 6 othersThe Crone, Spanishprof27, TheNutcracker, daleanime, sabrina, Babel 17 like this
    "Out of many, one"

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  • Babel 17 (2122 posts)
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    1. Link?

    Serendipitously, googling the words in the OP led me to the following link. I guess the more that things change …

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

    The US military is developing software that will let it secretly manipulate social media sites by using fake online personas to influence internet conversations and spread pro-American propaganda.

    “Hope and Change”, not in this instance.

  • sabrina (5882 posts)
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    2. They've been doing that for years, but not very effectively. Not hard to figure

    out who the ‘establishment’ trolls are.  See Cass Sunstein on this. The problem for them always has been that in order to accomlish their goal of infiltrating forums, they HAVE to push the Corporate message, or the war support etc. Most normal people have genuine concerns that these trolls are unable to express, because it would go against the job they are there to do.

    I think they’ve been doing this since day one. I remember one of the ‘premier’ supposedly ‘democratic forums’ during its early days, it was flooded with these trolls but also attracted ordinary people who were genuinely concerned about things like the Iraq War eg. The ‘trolls’ were flushed out pretty quickly, but the site, itself a faux ‘dem’ site, began banning anyone who questioned them. A sure sign that they were RIGHT.

    A lot has been written about this morons, and sites that will not allow people to question themselves are questionable. But the truth does get through despite all their efforts.

    • Betty Karlson (2754 posts)
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      3. VERY subtle reference there, Sabrina!

      One way to identify a corporate sock puppet: reactionary identity politics.

      "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
      • sabrina (5882 posts)
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        4. Yes, one perfect example was revealed in the Podesta emails. Budowsky explained

        to Podesta how HE was working online to build up ‘street creds’ with Bernie supporters. He revealed that he would write flattering articles about Bernie, presumably assuming we would then view him as ‘friendly’.  Then, he said, by the time he ‘pivoted to Clinton’ he would have built up a relationship with all of us ‘losers’ and we would simply follow him over to Clinton.

        Naturally, that is not what happened, as soon as he began to ‘pivot’ he lost us. They really do think we are like THEM, that we simply FOLLOW leaders as they do.

        I was hoping for more emails from him AFTER his ‘pivot’!  Lol, he must have wondered ‘what went wrong’ with what he thought was a perfect plan.

        And this is why these online trolls are so easy to spot. Once they ‘pivot’ we know who they are.

        • Betty Karlson (2754 posts)
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          12. They always pivot way too eagerly.

          "Someone hacks the DNC allowing all of America to see how the DNC operates as one of the most corrupt political machines in national history. Ergo, Hillary Clinton should be installed as President by judicial fiat. And if you do not agree to this scheme you deserve to be brought up on charges of treason because fascism." - NUGrrl, december 2016 “Once a person has been determined to be an UNTRUSTWORTHY LIAR, their pretend stances on important issues are simply not relevant to rational discussion.” – Ida Briggs, September 2016
    • StupidRedhead (2199 posts)
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      5. I think eventually they show up at every site

      I am really amazed at how quickly social media is forced to bow to pressure and (as Hillary would say) brought to heel.

      • sabrina (5882 posts)
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        6. Only the major partisan sites. That is because the owners of these sites are

        fine with the online trolls and why they will not allow people to challenge them. But the internet is a big place and they are not hard to find, and yes, I’m certain they show up on every site, with their prepared scripts, and their tactics and they give themselves away because it is their job to try to silence people who are not in line with the policies of our Corporate owned government.

        • StupidRedhead (2199 posts)
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          7. and their methods seem to work every time.

          • sabrina (5882 posts)
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            8. I don't believe they ever changed any minds. And Partisan sites are not doing

            so well right now. It may have worked for a while before people had anywhere else to go, but the internet has grown now and challenging these paid trolls is a lot easier than it used to be.

            And despite all the money they spent during this election on paid trolls, she LOST lol.  So their tactics are no working, her thousands of Brock trolls were so BAD at what they were trying to do. In fact they probably accomplished the opposite of what they were supposed to do.

            Love to see the Big Donors wasting their money like that.

            • StupidRedhead (2199 posts)
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              9. No, they don't change minds. What they do is shut down discussion

              Pressure is put on the site and it’s members to restrict discussion and conform to their agenda.

              • sabrina (5882 posts)
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                10. True, but it's a lot harder for them to do that now with so many other

                options and the old partisan sites on the decline.

                • StupidRedhead (2199 posts)
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                  13. I see new sites bending to the pressure too

                  different day, same bullshit.

              • kelly (428 posts)
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                11. that is exactly what they do, "acceptable sources" and echo chambers do the rest

                as long as people restrict their outrage to the nonsense they are fed, the problem is well under control.

                when we wake up as a nation, and stop being played, it will take very little for us to bring them to heel.

                until then, people will keep brickbatting their favorite cable big mouths and laying blame where it doesnt belong.

                as if no one has any real issues to discuss or organize around.

                too busy responding to the latest bullshit floating around,

                not realizing they have been neutralized in the process.

            • FanBoy (5788 posts)
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              14. By splitting the opposition into 100 little sites, obscure to most of the

              internet audience, don’t they accomplish their goals?

              Everyone talking into tiny little echo chambers and powerless and disconnected in real life?