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    Things I Would Like to See Focused on in 2017

    The movement for a political revolution in America that coalesced around Bernie Sanders needs to keep going and keep growing. To that end, I believe progressives of all stripes, and maybe even some conservatives and libertarians, need to keep the following in mind this year.

    The 2016 election is over. It no longer matters who would have been worse, Hillary or The Donald. The fact of the matter is that we’re stuck with Trump for now, and quite possibly the most reactionary and rightwing cabinet in American history. Progressives must mobilize to do everything in our power to keep at least the worst of his policies and proposals from becoming reality. This means everything from crashing Congressional email servers with protests to taking to the streets.

    Focus on the issues, not on Trump personally. Politicians like him are immune to personal attacks–he’ll just come back with belittling personal attacks of his own and the public will lose sight of his policies which would adversely impact them if they come to pass, and then they’d come to pass. I think that would be bad. Of course, please feel free to personally bash him here. It can be cathartic.

    Keep the movement for a political revolution out of the control of the Democratic Party. Never forget that the Democratic Party is now where progressive causes go to die. Look what just happened in the primary last year. If that means starting a new Populist Party or something, fine. Let’s think about how we can actually do that. Hell, if the Teabaggers can do something like that surely we can. If it means taking over the Green Party, that’s fine, too. Personally, I think that is the best way to go since they already have some infrastructure, but we’ve got to find a way to get real progressives on the ballot in 2018, especially in local races. I realize some people here think it’s worthwhile to try reforming the Democrats; I don’t. The corporate interests are just too entrenched.

    Keep on putting the truth out there on any issues that matter to you. Here’s a sample: inequality of wealth, tax policy, corporate subsidies, foreign policy, imperial wars, climate change and the environment, our declining standard of living, social and economic justice, the power of Wall Street, the imperial presidency, stopping Republican craziness on all sorts of things, voting rights, too goddamn many people in prison, police brutality and oppression, hunger, poverty, education, and I’ll stop there. The list goes on, but what they all have in common is that We The People need to get government working for US, not just the wealthy and the powerful.

    When it comes to a particular issue, don’t be afraid to make allies of people with whom you vehemently disagree on other issues that are important to you. Be able to agree to disagree.

    Beware of conspiracy theories. They often only serve as distractions from what matters right now. Look at the whole Birther thing, and how Donald Trump used that to advance himself in the public sphere. There are plenty of real conspiracies out there, and they usually come to light, especially in this information age. For example, there was a conspiracy within the Democratic Party to make damned sure that Bernie Sanders did not win the nomination. There is clearly a conspiracy between the Obama Administration, the national security apparatus, and certain mainstream media organizations to demonize the Russians, to beat the war drums, and to distract the public from the fact that Hillary Clinton lost the election because of Hillary Clinton and the fact that Obama failed to deliver on most of his promises.

    If you start to hear things that demonize China after Trump takes office, look out! That might be more of the same, just a different target. Remember that successful conspiracies that are never uncovered are rare. Check the sources of these things very carefully. Be skeptical, at least at first.

    Finally, please remember when you are on JPR that words on a glowing screen can’t really hurt you, even if they come from a prideful barbarian such as myself, and that most of us have far more in common than we do differences. For example, you may not agree with everything I wrote in this post, but you probably agree with at least some of it. I hope so, anyway.

    Thanks for your time and have a nice night.

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    • Cassiopeia (1283 posts)
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      1. Great post…. But

      The tea party was not a grass roots movement, it was funded and built by the rich and powerful looking to end and water down regulations.

      Otherwise I agree with the post.  We need to move forward and build something.  That doesn’t mean we should ignore what’s in the rearview mirror, but distractions about who would sick worse from the GE really is a pointless exercise.

      • Ohio Barbarian (848 posts)
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        4. You're right. Bad example on my part.

        As for the rear view mirror, I’ve studied history since I was five. I’m a big fan of looking in that mirror. Glad you understood the specific reference.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
      • Enthusiast (5397 posts)
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        10. Excellent point.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • id-entity (1546 posts)
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        13. There was no

        grass roots side at all? My impression was part genuine, part orchestrated, as whole co-opted by Koch brothers and Republican establishment. What genuine there was or is, Trump managed with no little populist skill to wrangle behind his campaign quite early on in large numbers enough in primaries, but certainly not as his only demographic.

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    • Mom Cat (5361 posts)
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      2. I so agree that the Democratic Party is death to progressives. They only want to

      suck up our energy and give more power to the paymasters. They won’t change and I for one am tired of abusive relationships. I am done.

           NEVER FORGET      BERNIE WON!          
    • tonyl (655 posts)
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      3. I think you have it about right ..

      but I will add two things:

      1. Unite.
      2. Communicate (and have some alternative means of communication as well – try to maintain a networking alternative – it seems to me that this will become important).
      Because you cant have integrity occasionally
      • Ohio Barbarian (848 posts)
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        5. No argument there.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
    • Two way street (1329 posts)
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      6. Your OP reminds me of a Texas story where Governor Rick Perry and the

      Right Wing Texas state government took away the state workers who ran the federal food stamp program causing it to shut down.  After three months the Right Wing Religious Fundamentalist told Perry that they could not feed all the people needing help and to get the federal food stamp program going again immediately. Of course privatizing food and removing specially trained workers was a disaster.  Texas was fined several million dollars by the Feds for messing up the paperwork and the federal food stamp program by outsourcing an untrained temporary workforce.

      Former Governor Good-Hair Perry has been chosen by Trump to run the Department of Energy.  His Texas energy buddies want a Dummie in office so they can run around Trump.

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      • Ohio Barbarian (848 posts)
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        7. I'm sure if Rick Perry ever has any questions about how to run the department

        that he once forgot he wanted to abolish, Trump’s Secretary of State and CEO of ExxonMobil will be happy to provide the answers. Unfortunately, the latter is NOT an idiot, and is therefore far more dangerous.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
        • Two way street (1329 posts)
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          8. We will see how Exon CEO Tillerson uses Frontman Perry to screw up the climate.

          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/elliott-negin/rex–me-the-charlie-rose_b_2867448.html

          snip> Rex Tillerson is here. He is chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil. It is the world’s largest refiner of petroleum products. …Today he has positioned his company to capture the promise of a natural gas revolution as the world transitions to cleaner fuels, natural gas and electricity are expected to account for more than 60 percent of the world’s energy demands by 2040.
          Elliott Negin is also here. He is director of news and commentary for the Union of Concerned Scientists, a leading science-based advocacy organization. UCS has called for dramatically reducing carbon emissions, cutting projected oil use in half over the next two decades, and transitioning to clean, renewable energy technologies to avoid some of the worst consequences of global warming.  more at site link

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    • Marym625 (13727 posts)
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      9. On The Daily Radical!

      Member recommended and admin approved

      Great post. Doesn’t surprise me at all!

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    • Enthusiast (5397 posts)
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      11. Recommended!

      Well done, Ohio Barbarian!

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
    • Ohio Barbarian (848 posts)
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      12. I would like to add one more conspiracy theory, or maybe just an Evil Plot.

      Much has been said of how all this anti-Russian hysteria emanating from the Democratic Party, the Obama Administration, and the corporate media is reminiscent of Joe McCarthy and the Second Red Scare of the 1950’s. McCarthyism never did anything to really hurt its alleged bugaboo, the Soviet Union, but it certainly did hurt a lot of Americans, most of whom were left-leaning. There were terms like “prematurely anti-Fascist” for Americans who supported the Spanish Republic against Franco’s Fascists and his Nazi allies, pinko, Commie, subversive, traitor, and all the rest.

      Many people who had either joined the Communist Party in their youth, or just sympathized with socialism, including many New Dealers and activists from all works of life, saw their careers destroyed, their marriages broken, their reputations ruined, and quite a few committed suicide. In short, McCarthyism and its enthusiastic backing by J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI was an effective means of curbing any kind of dissent that questioned the American Way as defined by these people, which included an unquestioning loyalty to capitalism. Even Superman stood for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

      It may be that at least part of our ruling class is trying it again. They must be fought.

      "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
      • Koko (2096 posts)
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        14. Thank You for this:

        From You from an Era I well remember even though I was a little kid…it  had a profound affect on my Politics in my whole life:

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        12. I would like to add one more conspiracy theory, or maybe just an Evil Plot.
        Much has been said of how all this anti-Russian hysteria emanating from the Democratic Party, the Obama Administration, and the corporate media is reminiscent of Joe McCarthy and the Second Red Scare of the 1950’s. McCarthyism never did anything to really hurt its alleged bugaboo, the Soviet Union, but it certainly did hurt a lot of Americans, most of whom were left-leaning. There were terms like “prematurely anti-Fascist” for Americans who supported the Spanish Republic against Franco’s Fascists and his Nazi allies, pinko, Commie, subversive, traitor, and all the rest.

        Many people who had either joined the Communist Party in their youth, or just sympathized with socialism, including many New Dealers and activists from all works of life, saw their careers destroyed, their marriages broken, their reputations ruined, and quite a few committed suicide. In short, McCarthyism and its enthusiastic backing by J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI was an effective means of curbing any kind of dissent that questioned the American Way as defined by these people, which included an unquestioning loyalty to capitalism. Even Superman stood for Truth, Justice and the American Way.

        It may be that at least part of our ruling class is trying it again. They must be fought.

    • Octafish (2709 posts)
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      15. ''Beware of conspiracy theories.''


      Sabotaging the Dissident Press

      by Angus Mackenzie
      Columbia Journalism Review, March/April 1981

      EXCERPT…

      In tracking the press, the CIA was able to count on help from the Army. with which, CHAOS files state, “Direct operational discussions on joint agent operations have been held.” Ralph Stein directed the “New Left” desk for the Army’s Counterintelligence Analysis Branch in Arlington, Virginia. The branch kept track of underground periodicals and maintained a microfilm crossfile on writers and editors affiliated with them. Stein got most of his information from public sources, but some of it came from classified intelligence reports which, he says, were provided by FBI and Army infiltrators. “Their information was too good, too inside,” to have come from public source material, Stein recalled in a recent interview.

      In late 1967, Stein was dispatched to CIA headquarters to brief liaison officer Jim Ludlum and others (presumably from Ober’s office) on underground and student publications. He found, however, that the CIA men already knew a great deal about the subject. Two questions were foremost in their minds. They wanted to know all about “the ideas and beliefs of the individuals who produced these publications,” Stein recalled, and about foreign financing of such prominent publications as Ramparts and a host of small underground papers. Stein’s response to the latter question was, presumably, unsatisfactory. “Far from being financed by any hostile power abroad,” he commented recently, “the people who were putting out these papers were actually using their lunch money, and we were able to prove this.” After his briefing session at the CIA, Stein returned to his Arlington office, where he remarked that he thought the CIA was not supposed to engage in domestic surveillance. Shortly thereafter, he was relieved of his liaison duties with the agency, which were taken over by a superior.

      CONTINUED…

       

      “Get the truth and print it.” -- John S. Knight
      • Ohio Barbarian (848 posts)
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        17. Yes, I'm very familiar with COINTELPRO and related intelligence activities.

        I’m just leery of conspiracy theories in general, especially when years go by and the alleged conspiracy never comes to light. They can also be used for very sick purposes. For example, the conspiracy theory that secret cabals of Jews nefariously controlled the West’s economic system was exploited by the Nazis. Warnings against the Trilateral Commission and the New World Order have been used to advance fascism in this country. Joe McCarthy and the John Birch Society saw Communists behind every bush, ruined thousands of lives, and helped to suppress dissent.

        No doubt we’ll have to agree to disagree on a few very popular conspiracy theories to which I don’t subscribe. No need to get into any of those here; I really don’t want to start a pissing contest. There’s no point.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
        • Octafish (2709 posts)
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          19. Here's where I have a problem with those who denigrate 'conspiracy theories.'

          The term was invented by CIA to smear the character and destroy the reputations of those who objected to the Warren Commission.

           

          So, no. There’s no pissing match. I want to bring up “conspiracy theory” for the loaded term it is whenever I can to shed light upon state crimes against democracy, in general, and democrats, in particular.

          “Get the truth and print it.” -- John S. Knight
          • Ohio Barbarian (848 posts)
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            20. According to Wikipedia, the term has been around since the 1870's.

            I really don’t know. I do know there are out-and-out Communists who believe Kennedy was killed by a lone gunman, and I know marksmen who definitely could have done it had they been in Oswald’s shoes with that magnificent Russian sniper rifle he had. I was in the Navy and knew a few, and I was a fair marksman myself on nonliving targets(never shot at a live one, thank Freya). I have no reason to believe any of these people are CIA or other agents. As for myself, I doubt I’ll ever know the truth for sure.

            I do know I have seen discussion forums torn apart by people adopting an almost holy warrior-type attitude in arguments over various conspiracy theories ranging from 9/11 to UFO’s. There’s nothing wrong with presenting facts, news stories or even legends that others may interpret differently than oneself does, but when an almost religious level of belief and zeal accompanies arguments one way or the other over things that simply are not proven, and tempers flare, no one wins.

            Please note I am not accusing anyone here of doing that, but that is another reason I believe in caution when dealing with such things. Frankly, I’m far more worried about the direction my country has taken, and is taking, than anything else. I’m worried for my kids. That is why I am here.

            "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire  
            • Octafish (2709 posts)
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              21. What ''magnificent Russian sniper rifle,'' Ohio Barbarian?

              Oswald, according to J Edgar Hoover, purchased an Italian-made Mannlicher-Carcano. an infantry rifle known for poor  design, performance and accuracy, through a mail order house. Thus, its actual provenance is uncertain.

              The bullet that links the rifle to the assassination was found on a hospital stretcher, without blood or other human tissue in a relatively pristine condition:

              I worry for your kids, too. I don’t want them to live in a country where the rich and powerful are free to continue their treason.

              “Get the truth and print it.” -- John S. Knight
            • Octafish (2709 posts)
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              22. Would that be the same Wikipedia that CIA manipulates?

              See Who’s Editing Wikipedia – Diebold, the CIA, a Campaign

              CalTech graduate student Virgil Griffith built a search tool that traces IP addresses of those who make Wikipedia changes.

              https://www.wired.com/2007/08/wiki-tracker/?currentPage=all

               

              “Get the truth and print it.” -- John S. Knight
              • share (355 posts)
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                23. Thank you! You just voiced my thoughts and added better info.

    • When Crabs Roar (34 posts)
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      16. A couple of other tactics

      Organize locally and selective general strikes.

      • Ohio Barbarian (848 posts)
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        18. Tough to do sometimes, but essential, yes.

        "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."--Voltaire