cascadiance (1316 posts)January 5, 2017 at 1:32 pm
Those in Western Portland, Oregon area. Meeting tonight!
Oregon AfterBern, which is likely to be at least on the west side of Portland the nexus of people getting together to change both the Democratic Party and launch new efforts outside of the party to promote change is meeting tonight at the Hillsboro library at 6 PM. Go here for more and to RSVP there.
I will try to be there tonight too for those of us who want to meet each other in person here. People from Brand New Congress typically attend these meetings too, amongst other parties, etc. as well. And some of us have been lately trying to band together to take over positions in the local Democratic Party too, somewhat but not entirely successful last month.
Still trying to solve a lot of other emergencies I’ve had to deal with, but at least I got back access to my main email account an hour ago or so. I likely will make a post on problems that are happening with ISP hosting later that I have been and still am feeling the brunt of with my ISP that is feeling the effects now of being bought out by ISP monopolist company EIG in 2015 that now is pushing a lot of customer unfriendly changes this month now.FanBoy, Eggar, jwirr and 2 othersLand of Enchantment, Bearian like thisVote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!
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Land of Enchantment (3874 posts) (Reply to original post) January 5, 2017 at 1:54 pm
1. YES! Please take photos and post them! We have monthly meet-ups of JPR'ers
in Albuquerque that I live for–what a great group of friends and compatriots.
Have a great time and please tell us all about it in a future thread!"Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart." ~ Emily Dickinson
cascadiance (1316 posts) (Reply to Land of Enchantment - post #1) January 5, 2017 at 9:10 pm
3. Sorry, no pictures since my cell phone died there…
But it was good we just had a nice session where everyone could talk in the room rather than just have any guest speaker, as I think this time right after this election was a good time to have a good group rant. Perhaps some JPR folk can get over for next month’s meeting. A little late notice this time around on my part. Looking forward to meeting folk like Eggar there.Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!
Land of Enchantment (3874 posts) (Reply to cascadiance - post #3) January 6, 2017 at 7:45 am
4. It sounds like you have a really strong group out there and it's
encouraging to hear this is a monthly event. Sorry to hear about your cell phone-arraugh. I hope too that [email protected] can make it next time around. Thanks for posting the update!"Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart." ~ Emily Dickinson
cascadiance (1316 posts) (Reply to Land of Enchantment - post #4) January 6, 2017 at 1:48 pm
5. Battery just died on it last night…
It still functions even though it needs to be replaced. That is another long story that isn’t worth getting in to now.
One point that was made by another gentleman there when he pointed out that there were demographics not there that should be and that we need to find a way to have them be there (younger people and those minorities of color, etc.).
I noted back that many in these communities are in so much tougher times now with things like college debt and other messes controlling their lives and having them working two jobs, etc. so attending meetings like this is very down on their lists of priorities, especially if they don’t feel that politicians are listening at all to what their concerns are. I’m guessing that’s a challenge for many of us out there trying to get more progressive groups going and getting more powerful.
We do need to find ways to get those that have been missing from politics to be involved now, and give them some reasons to feel that meetings of these groups of people are ones where we are interested in helping them and their circumstances and can actually perhaps influence some things getting done.
Hopefully we communicated that some of us are working internally in the Democratic Party to help make these changes now, which we did, and we get other voices like a couple that were there who are heavily involved with promoting socialism in this community too, which had us branch out on a discussion on how capitalism itself is a big problem that is hurting us in many ways, and how it is being misinterpreted by those in power as being a system of governance, when it most certainly shouldn’t be and really isn’t a system of “governance” which is what democracy should be. I even noted that socialism itself is also an economic model that is a better and more equitable one, but also not really governance itself either and needs to have a system of democracy to be in place as well to not fall in to the UNDEMOCRATIC “socialist” system of communism that those like Stalin wanted to rule the world with and worked with other 1%ers like the Koch family to do this in his day.Vote AGAINST the race to the bottom by both corporate parties who seek to screw workers over globally!
Eggar (681 posts) (Reply to cascadiance - post #5) January 6, 2017 at 3:47 pm
6. Right on point
Hey one thing I just heard today from my mother out on the far East part of the State is that she and her friend trucked out on icy roads to attend their senior luncheon (Union) and noticed long lines of bomb (oil) cars sitting and waiting for nightfall to proceed out to Portland. I noticed after the Mosier incident they had almost eliminated the cars from being included during daylight transport while hiking the gorge 3 days a week all summer & fall but was starting to notice them increasing it back to what it was prior before the accident before winter set in.
Oregon produces so much energy w/o having the need for O&G. You know some few are making hefty pay-offs continuing those cars traveling through the state.
FanBoy (4586 posts) (Reply to Eggar - post #6) January 6, 2017 at 6:10 pm
8. the oil trains and all the fuel terminals are a travesty. the proposed
millennium coal project just got shut down by the courts, but they’re going to fight on — and there’s still lots more planned — coal, oil, methanol, propane — all geared for the export market. we get the environmental damage, china gets the real jobs — only on the cheap. I never imagined as a young person that the US would become an export colony of China — (though I actually know its not of china per se, but of global capital)
the one hope was that the changing economies of the projects (for a while it was cheaper to export resources to china than mine/process them there — though they have the resources there — then it became uneconomical, so the projects started looking dubious, but I bet with trump its going to start looking different again.
the map is just the tail end of the Columbia — not even the gorge proper — already coal and oil moving there, as you said
The thought of the Columbia turning into the east river circa 1910 makes me sick
Eggar (681 posts) (Reply to FanBoy - post #8) January 6, 2017 at 6:29 pm
9. Thank you for showing me this map
I just started a new job right next to a place I’m about right now. Don’t know why but it has (alomost proudly) on display one of the bomb cars out on it’s front lawn. I assumed it was a refinery. but looking at their site who the fuck knows. The site looks like a feel happy (to the extent you wanna puke when you realize all the chemicals they deal in) koch industries type web page. Solenis. Aww… how cute the name makes you actually think it could even be solar related. Anyway I’m sure to find out more about them as the days come.
I know across the River in Camas the huge paper mill is a koch industries plant and probably owns the (lovely, but stinky) town
FanBoy (4586 posts) (Reply to Eggar - post #9) January 6, 2017 at 6:48 pm
interesting — started out as a DuPont spinoff = Hercules until 2008, and is still headquartered around DuPont’s bailiwick. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was still connected to DuPont somehow.
2014-Present: Ashland Water Technologies was bought by private investment firm Clayton, Dubilier & Rice (CD&R) from Ashland Inc. on July 31, 2014, and rebranded as Solenis.
2008-2014: Ashland purchased Hercules Inc. in 2008 for $2.6 billion to double earnings and gain chemicals used in papermaking, water treatment and construction.
1998-2008: Hercules Inc. bought BetzDearborn in 1998 for $2.4 billion in an effort to grow the company in the specialty-chemicals market.1996-1998: BetzDearborn, Inc. was formed and later sold to Hercules Inc.
1957-1996: Betz Laboratories, Inc., was formed, with services developing in the paper and pulp-processing industries. In 1996 Betz Laboratories acquired Dearborn, and BetzDearborn, Inc., was formed.
1925-1957: In Philadelphia, William H. and L. Drew Betz formed a partnership to sell their product, K-Gel. It was used to treat and purify water in industrial boilers. Its basic ingredient was sodium alginate, extracted from kelp. William and Drew’s partnership dissolved in 1957 which allowed for the formation of Betz Laboratories.
1887-1996: Chicago chemists, William H. Edgar and Frank E. Mariner, formed a partnership that prepared chemical compounds for removing and preventing scales in boilers. The following year, Edgar founded Dearborn Drug and Chemical Works, which was later sold to Betz Laboratories, Inc. in 1996.
1882-1998: Hercules Inc. was established by gunpowder manufacturers DuPont and Laflin & Rand Powder Company. Hercules diversified into chemicals and abandoned the explosives business in the 1950s and 1960s. The company later expanded into water process chemicals with the purchase of BetzDearborn in 1998.
** and now I find Dupont had a big chunk of the ethanol business back in the 80s — got out cause it was cheaper to buy it than make it (buy it outside the US, I guess, or else it would still be cheaper to make it than buy it unless the makers wanted to go out of business).
Eggar (681 posts) (Reply to FanBoy - post #11) January 6, 2017 at 6:57 pm
12. They definitely have their hands
in a lot of superwealth (and hazard shuffling w/ oil & gas as well ) industries and of course now conveniently located right at the confluence of two *Major* rivers right near the St. Johns area (but west bank near Yeon st.)
Why do the most toxic of the industries always locate right at the most environmentaly sensitive arteries life on the planet needs to survive by? Oh.. duh… silly me. Nature’s corexit. Same goes for that koch fume plant across the river. wow
Thanks for grabbing this info. I was checking some as well but didn’t get this far yet. Good for further study
FanBoy (4586 posts) (Reply to Eggar - post #12) January 6, 2017 at 7:00 pm
13. cause they own the clean water and someday we'll pay for that too
just like we’ll pay for their monopoly food once they’ve destroyed or owned the genome
seriously, they’re in it to pollute it, kill it, and own the rest and make us pay — slave labor or money, doesn’t matter
As flies to wanton boys are we to the gods. They kill us for their sport.
Land of Enchantment (3874 posts) (Reply to cascadiance - post #5) January 6, 2017 at 5:35 pm
7. Thank you so much for sharing the conversations. You made some VERY
valid points and the topics were so on point. I agree we need to find ways to resurrect the interests of the younger folks. Our 3 millennials have pretty much abandoned all hope because of how the Party manipulated the primary process. They are working/in school/have young children, etc and it is very difficult for them to find time to do much of anything. I don’t know if the D party will ever see the light but am not encouraged by what they have done since the election. If Ellison does actually become the chairman maybe we can get somewhere.
Portland is so progressive that maybe getting announcements around local colleges/universities would help attract students and holding the meetings/events close to where they are might make it easier to get them to attend? (Well, and you must have beer gardens there near campus, eh?)
I’m just so happy to hear that this is going on! I saw a thread today about Berners seeing bumper stickers, lawn signs, window signs still up all over the US and that is so encouraging. Bernie hasn’t gone away, in fact what didn’t kill him has made him stronger.
Thanks again, Cascadience, your story made my day."Hope is the feathered thing that perches in your heart." ~ Emily Dickinson
Eggar (681 posts) (Reply to original post) January 5, 2017 at 4:38 pm
Eggar (681 posts) (Reply to original post) January 6, 2017 at 6:37 pm
10. Looks possibly that
I may be able to get to one of the events the next wknd 14th & 15th if I am not heading out to La Grande. Those events are a little closer to where I am (I am at the farthest stretches of Portland near like 162nd & division, far enough east to where the Gorge wonderland is only a few mi. away – Wee! Spent 3days a week – 2 usu after work for Months, all over hiking and enjoying it all Always came up around it throughout my life but never spent such quality time with it prior to this yr.