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    • joentokyo (177 posts)
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      1. I will watch Rachet Madcow when Keith Olbermann is invited on her show.

      From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever. Chief Joseph
      • northernsouthern (415 posts)
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        2. Lol.

        There was a link to a recent (at least I think) Bernie interview she did on a J. Dore video I watched. Did not click on it, but almost did.

        Sorry if I seem to defend my stance a bit harshly, but I was too quiet before the election look at where we got.

         
      • WillyT (4127 posts)
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        4. That's Fine… But You Are Missing An Important Key Here…

        I refuse to remain blind while the arrows come my way.

         

    • FanBoy (4561 posts)
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      3. doesn't really make sense to me…

      Rachel Maddow shows ExxonMobil’s heavy investment in Russia, which it has yet to be able to exploit because of U.S. sanctions on Russia over the annexation of Crimea, and how a change in that policy could means hundreds of millions of dollars for ExxonMobil

       

      How does the current warmongering vis a vis Russia help exxon realize its profit targets in Russia — I’d say not at all, its counterproductive.

      and fuck Rachel maddow fake journalist

      • WillyT (4127 posts)
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        5. It's Not About That… It's About National Oil Comapanies…

        We have one too… it’s called the CIA.

         

        • FanBoy (4561 posts)
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          6. i can barely tolerate about a minute of maddow the phoney

          that’s what the blurb said

          I doubt Rachel said cia = our national oil company cause that would be too radical and she might lose her bribe $$$$$

          so if you wouldn’t mind explaining clearly cause I am a bit dense

          • WillyT (4127 posts)
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            10. Noted…

            :shrug:

             

            • FanBoy (4561 posts)
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              11. but no help eh oh well par for the course

              no actual solidarity anywhere

              • WillyT (4127 posts)
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                14. Two Things… I Told You In Post #5… And I Can't Do Your Homework For You…

                Back to doing mine.

                 

                • The Crone (2184 posts)
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                  25. I kept wishing Rachel had done a little

                  tiny bit more home work on the sanctions-thing-ey.

                  Like if we have sanctions against Russia, how was Hillary Clinton able to do her Frank Giustri set up of his partnering with her to help Russia buy 20% of all the USA’s uranium? Was that done before the sanctions?

                  And she repeated ad nauseum the information that in other countries, the government can structure its oil companies to its liking. But for some darn reason, she failed to mention that in the USA, the oil companies structure our government to their liking. (Do average citizens have anywhere near the power of the oil companies in terms of which people end up being candidates for office?)

                  America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • Xyzse (1136 posts)
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      7. Alright, watching…

      So far:

      • Government run(Brazil) oil company (refinery)
      • Used for Governmental(Cronyism) appointments to run as CEO
      • All Giant Oil Companies since they are State Run, they are controlled by the head of the country(Princes, Presidents and Prime Ministers)
      • Government is the Oil Company (outside of the US)
      • Oh just about half-way she mentions Rosneft, the Russian company
      • Biggest non-government run company is going to become the Secretary of State of the US.  Exxon.
      • Exxon-Mobil is based in Texas and drills around the world.
      • Exxon is invested in Papua New Guinea, Nigeria, Netherlands, Australia, Germany, Canada, and the US(two Marylands worth)
      • They have rights to drill in Russia in regards to holding 63.7 points worth (14 only in the US) basically more than twice as much than everywhere else they have rights for.
      • They can’t drill in Russia since Russia does not allow it.

      Are you saying that, this is why the US is in the business of Regime Change?  As well as the reason they are now going after Russia like crazy because of the oil?

      Hmmm, you may have a point there.

      • WillyT (4127 posts)
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        8. That's What I Got Out Of It…

        :shrug:

        :hi:

         

         

        • Xyzse (1136 posts)
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          9. Yeah, I can see that.

          I wonder if she has enough journalistic integrity to see that as well.

          You did mention “accidentally” after all.

          • WillyT (4127 posts)
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            12. Yes I Did…

            Sometimes they don’t even realize the importance of what they are reporting.

             

            :shrug:

             

            • Xyzse (1136 posts)
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              13. Yep!

              Well, I made a highlight of the points she was making.

              Feel free to put it up top if you want for discussion’s sake.  Some people don’t like looking at videos, especially of someone like Ms. Maddow.

              • WillyT (4127 posts)
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                15. In The Spirit Of The Library Of Alexandria…

                I want ALL the information.

                 

                Warts. lies, and all.

                 

                I want a COMPLETE record of the SHIT that is being sold.

                 

                I have future uses…

                 

                :hi:

                 

                • avaistheone1 (519 posts)
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                  21. I fully support you in that sentiment.

                  K&R

                  Most memorable wikileak so far: "On another matter....and not to sound like Lanny, but we are going to have to dump all those emails so better to do so sooner than later."   John Podesta, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:57 pm        
                  • WillyT (4127 posts)
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                    22. Thank You!!!

                    :hi:

                     

                  • Enthusiast (4759 posts)
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                    42. Me too. But I still won't watch MSNBC. Or the others.

                    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church
      • FanBoy (4561 posts)
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        16. Because oil execs were never in presidential cabinets before?

        Not directed at you particularly, but I don’t really understand how this explains why the us is ramping up tensions with Russia.  because they can’t drill in Russia?  What about new guinea, Nigeria, Netherlands etc and all the rest — are those territories not enough?  is there some reason Russia is so crucial?

         

        and I don’t see why its so amazing that oil execs are in the cabinet — tell me if I’m wrong, but I think we’ve had Rockefeller associates (Standard oil and all its descendants, including exxon) in the cabinet or thereabout for some time — henry Kissinger would be a big name — Rockefeller all the way — have the rockefellers divested?

         

        thank you for posting the bullet points.  I really can’t bear her — every time she speaks I just think of all them money she’s getting to fool people with her little act

        • WillyT (4127 posts)
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          18. FB… Ramping Up Tensions With Russia Is In The Eye Of The Beholder… So…

          While the Establishment types, both Dem & Rep, try to deal with an outcome they thought would not happen…

           

          Their sits… a half a TRILLION DEAL between Russia and Exxon Mobile on drilling in Russia.

           

          A Half a Trillion…

           

          That deal got canceled under Obama, for Russian incursions into other people’s territories.

           

          The working theory, is that Tillerson the CEO from Exxon-Mobile, is the natural payback to get Trump to reverse those restrictions, and get the dough rolling again.

           

          :shrug:

           

           

           

          • FanBoy (4561 posts)
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            20. thanks for the clear explanation

          • id-entity (1535 posts)
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            29. The theory schtinks

            where it is founded on the hypothesis of Evil Mastermind Putin running the show in US and dictating that Tillerson becomes SoS.

            As if US big oil is incapable of doing their own lobbying and political influencing by themselves, and obviously Trump has been all the time positive about hydrocarbon industry and it’s interests, which are in line in his generally conservative businessman attitudes and world view.

            Lot’s of various businesses think the sanctions are stupid and harmful and want them removed. On the other hand, when Russia is willing to give Exxon major role in Russia, of course there’s also a fair amount of political calculations involved.

            No need to dig for deeper CT stuff in this story.

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            • FanBoy (4561 posts)
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              33. +100

          • joentokyo (177 posts)
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            35. I also thank you for the explanation and this discussion because now I do not

            have to watch the raging Madcow.

            From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever. Chief Joseph
        • Xyzse (1136 posts)
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          24. Yes, I do believe we have before.

          I just was placing the bullet points out there to try to figure out where Willy was coming from.

          It may explain the why of some of the friction we have now as I am trying to make sense of things as well after all.

          • FanBoy (4561 posts)
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            26. sorry, that wasn't intended to sound frictional.

            wasn’t intended in the least.

            • Xyzse (1136 posts)
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              31. All good.

              :)  I am trying to figure things out as well.

        • larkrake (272 posts)
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          27. the Bush administration was pure oil investors, and they bankrupted this country

          • avaistheone1 (519 posts)
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            28. Obama continued those wars.

            Have you checked the debt Obama stacked up?

            Most memorable wikileak so far: "On another matter....and not to sound like Lanny, but we are going to have to dump all those emails so better to do so sooner than later."   John Podesta, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:57 pm        
          • FanBoy (4561 posts)
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            32. the bush family has deep ties to the oil OWNERS, not investors

            as well as finance and intelligence and the ruling class generally

            going back over 100 years

            going back to the foundation of the country if you look at ancestors

            way deeper roots in established power than most people know

      • 2cannan (773 posts)
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        37. I think it's because ExxonMobil can't drill in

        Russia because of sanctions which would likely disappear if Tillerson is appointed SoS.

        • Xyzse (1136 posts)
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          40. Interesting.

          There is so much one can speculate on from this video.

    • id-entity (1535 posts)
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      17. This is (indirectly or less) about Rex Tillerson nomination and current hearings

      It’s totally hypocritical to think that Exxon being also able to share the loot in Russia has any effect on climate change. Exclusion of Exxon won’t stop that mommy rape happening. US and EU sanctions against Russia are wrong and harming most of all EU, on their own merits. Closer economic ties between ruling elites of nuke powers makes it more unlikely that they nuke each other and everybody else.

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    • avaistheone1 (519 posts)
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      19. Willy T IF this is true, isn't this business as usual as Bush, Cheney, and Obama

      have had us heavily involved in oil wars in the Middle East since 1991 and it’s still going strong?

       

       

      Most memorable wikileak so far: "On another matter....and not to sound like Lanny, but we are going to have to dump all those emails so better to do so sooner than later."   John Podesta, Mar 2, 2015 at 10:57 pm        
      • WillyT (4127 posts)
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        23. That Is EXACTLY The Point… Solar Is Now Surpassing Fossil Fuels In Cost…

        They know their days are numbered…

         

        But they want to squeeze every last drop…  no matter how many die.

         

        :shrug:

         

        • id-entity (1535 posts)
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          30. Our collective dance with the Black Snake

          is the real issue, we are all part of the same babylon. Also water protectors flew planes and drove combustion engine cars to get there, use propane for heating, etc. The black snake is inside us, not external enemy. And no amount of daily politics blame games, otherizing and CT fabrication is going to change that.

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      • mmonk (319 posts)
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        34. Yep. We've been competing against Russia and Iran

        on fossil fuel matters.

    • ronRonnie (281 posts)
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      36. The Hillbot Maddow says what?

      This election was an eye opener.  Trump and the repubs are obviously nauseating.  This has long been established.  But the true colors of these types of “progressives” has been shown to the world.  Maddow is still butthurt.  Anything she reports on has no validity because she’s the one reporting it.

    • BillZBubb (1456 posts)
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      39. Pissed? That doesn't reflect reality.

      The reality is she is a liar and not trustworthy on anything. She may stumble on the truth every now and then, but her whole agenda is propaganda for the neo-liberals.

      She is FAKE news. I can get much better and honest political information from many other sources. Why would I waste one second listening to her?

      “All truth passes through three stages: First, it is ridiculed; Second, it is violently opposed; Third, it is accepted as self-evident.” ― Arthur Schopenhauer
      • Bernice Ta (213 posts)
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        45. Exactly.

        I don’t care if she accidentally said Hillary was a vicious, thieving, lying twit. It’s nothing we don’t know, or can find out from someone with class and principles.

      • Entrepreneur (1125 posts)
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        46. Yep. I don't think differently of those who choose to watch her, but she

        supported a dishonest, cheating, insincere, power monger, warmonger over the most honest, selfless, populist presidential candidate we may see for 100 years.  And the entire country is going to suffer terribly because of the collective actions of her and other fake progressives like her.

        Fuck her forever.

        No longer GoneFishin.  Truth is I've never GoneFishin.
    • Octafish (2228 posts)
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      41. So…

      Heads Hillary, Exxon wins.

      Tails Trump, Exxon wins.

      • WillyT (4127 posts)
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        43. That's About The Size Of It…

        :shrug:

        :hi:

         

      • Enthusiast (4759 posts)
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        44. Yup.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church