leftcoastmountains (1936 posts)February 18, 2017 at 2:49 pm
United States Total Spending Pie Chart
For FY 2017, the three biggest government programs (federal, state, and local) are health care, pensions, and education.roguevalley likes this#CalExit #Trumpdoesn'tpaytaxeswhyshouldwe
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mmonk (526 posts) (Reply to original post) February 18, 2017 at 2:58 pm
SurrealAmerican (417 posts) (Reply to mmonk - post #1) February 18, 2017 at 3:07 pm
3. It does if you include state and local governments.
They spend very little on war or empire.
I expect corporate subsidies are very hard to accurately measure this way, since so much of that is in tax breaks and access to what should be public property. Money not collected would not show up as money spent.
FanBoy (6309 posts) (Reply to SurrealAmerican - post #3) February 20, 2017 at 1:55 am
15. pensions = police at the local level
and the feds actually give money to corporations outright these days in case you haven’t seen the graphics on how ge or whoever didn’t pay taxes such and such years, but actually got rebates
LuckyDog (640 posts) (Reply to original post) February 18, 2017 at 3:01 pm
2. Okay, I see your pie chart and I raise you one pie chart
this one tells a different story, no?
In fiscal year 2015, military spending is projected to account for 54 percent of all federal discretionary spending, a total of $598.5 billion. Military spending includes: all regular activities of the Department of Defense; war spending; nuclear weapons spending; international military assistance; and other Pentagon-related spending.
Entrepreneur (1425 posts) (Reply to LuckyDog - post #2) February 18, 2017 at 3:07 pm
zoolook67 (525 posts) (Reply to LuckyDog - post #2) February 18, 2017 at 3:19 pm
6. Neither chart has a slice for CIA or NSA or rest of I.C.
They are hidden in other parts of the “pie”. According to the Washington Post(!), the “Black Budget” is
52.6 billion. Not sure what year but recent. So those hidden funds make other departments look bloated, imo.Living well is the best revenge.
leftcoastmountains (1936 posts) (Reply to LuckyDog - post #2) February 18, 2017 at 3:20 pm
7. I think you are talking apples v. oranges. Mandatory v. Discretionary
In FY 2014, Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid were the largest individual mandatory expenditures, together accounting for about 73 percent of all mandatory spending. Various income security programs, such as SNAP, unemployment compensation, and earned income and child tax credits, accounted for an additional 18 percent of mandatory spending.
Makes my head hurt.#CalExit #Trumpdoesn'tpaytaxeswhyshouldwe
LuckyDog (640 posts) (Reply to leftcoastmountains - post #7) February 18, 2017 at 5:02 pm
9. Tell me about it;
If you go to that page it follows with this:
“In fiscal year 2015, the federal budget is $3.8 trillion. These trillions of dollars make up about 21 percent of the U.S. economy (as measured by Gross Domestic Product, or GDP). It’s also about $12,000 for every woman, man and child in the United States.
So where does all that money go?
Mandatory and Discretionary Spending
The U.S. Treasury divides all federal spending into three groups: mandatory spending, discretionary spending and interest on debt. Mandatory and discretionary spending account for more than ninety percent of all federal spending, and pay for all of the government services and programs on which we rely. Interest on debt, which is a much smaller amount than the other two categories, is the interest the government pays on its accumulated debt, minus interest income received by the government for assets it owns. The pie chart shows federal spending in 2015 broken into these three categories.”
Then ther’s this to consider, stealthy, huh?
“Spending in the Tax Code
When the federal government spends money on mandatory and discretionary programs, the U.S. Treasury writes a check to pay the program costs. But there is another type of federal spending that operates a little differently. Lawmakers have written hundreds of tax breaks into the federal tax code – for instance, special low tax rates on capital gains, and a deduction for home mortgage interest – in order to promote certain activities they deem beneficial to society.
In fact, tax breaks function as a type of government spending, and they are officially called “tax expenditures” within the federal government. When the government issues a tax break, it chooses to give up tax revenue for a specific purpose – so both spending and tax breaks mean less money in the U.S. Treasury, and both reflect spending priorities laid out by Congress in various pieces of legislation. Tax breaks are expected to cost the federal government $1.22 trillion in 2015 – more than all discretionary spending in the same year.”
Like Alice in Wonderland going down the rabbit hole. Are there comparisons to other countries’ spending, like all countries in the world comparative military spending? Say no more, squire, this is from the same website. Warning, it may put this all in some perspective and not just up our exceptional American ass:
U.S. Military Spending vs. the World
The U.S. outpaces all other nations in military expenditures. World military spending totaled more than $1.6 trillion in 2015. The U.S. accounted for 37 percent of the total.
U.S. military expenditures are roughly the size of the next seven largest military budgets around the world, combined.
U.S. military spending dwarfs the budget of the #2 country – China. For every dollar China spends on its military, the U.S. spends $2.77.
FanBoy (6309 posts) (Reply to leftcoastmountains - post #7) February 20, 2017 at 2:20 am
17. social security and medicare, UE are also programs that have their own income
streams; they’re not funded from income taxes, but by separate designated taxes.
THATS WHY THE PROGRAMS ARE MANDATORY, BECAUSE THE EXTRA TAXES THAT FUND THEM ARE ALSO MANDATORY.
Fuck this slithery shit.
Doremus Jessup (1981 posts) (Reply to LuckyDog - post #2) February 18, 2017 at 4:00 pm
8. Military and black OPS in other 12 appropriation bills also.
pappy shrub stuck Iraq money in the farm bill when congress shot their aid down.Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity. End ALL occupations and bring the troops home.
Mom Cat (6089 posts) (Reply to LuckyDog - post #2) February 18, 2017 at 6:12 pm
d3lic (912 posts) (Reply to original post) February 18, 2017 at 3:19 pm
5. Interesting. I just did a quick compare Canada/USA on health care.
Canada spending on universal health care 2016: $228 billion, or $6,299 per person.
US population: 320,090,857
at 6300 per person this would be approx 2.02 trillion.
Actual spending: 1.55 trillion (gov’t spending)
So for another .5 trillion, US could? mimic canada and eliminate all current private health care insurance costs.
Does that make sense?
Mom Cat (6089 posts) (Reply to d3lic - post #5) February 18, 2017 at 6:14 pm
d3lic (912 posts) (Reply to Mom Cat - post #12) February 18, 2017 at 8:58 pm
13. A thing people often don't take into account
is that with an universal plan, the plan covers everyone including the “homeless” and the most destitute, who don’t generally take advantage of it as much as they could, but which alleviates a whole lot of needless suffering. This elevates the entire community.
It gives the most destitute a road back – because as the universal care system evolves community care centers serving all different communities are generated, and there’s cross feedback of resources. It’s amazing how many “good Doctors” there are, who enjoy working with “tough circumstances” and for people who are truly down and out and with nowhere to look, so these Doctors are a lifeline.
People naturally think “socialized medicine = government interference” but I have personal experience that it’s just the opposite. The Doctors aren’t beholden to the gov’t – they don’t answer to the gov’t – and for example if the gov’t acts to deny a person needed help and the Doctor sees the need, the Doctor can dictate that the need is filled. In a great many cases the Doctor is the only person with power to do that. The Doctor has an ethic, a duty to serve the patient’s interests and to honor the patient’s privacy, so the concept of “health care” runs deep.
Mom Cat (6089 posts) (Reply to d3lic - post #13) February 19, 2017 at 6:53 am
14. It has been my experience that insurance companies are much more likely to deny
needed services than are government agencies. I remember many times that I provided services out of my own pocket after insurance companies denied treatment for truly desperate people. The greed based insurance system is much like using leechs to heal. It did not work back then and it doesn’t work now!NEVER FORGET BERNIE WON!
hollys mom (532 posts) (Reply to original post) February 18, 2017 at 5:15 pm
10. I question using Social security in that map as well as medicare – they are –
self funding programs, not the general fund. the other is discretionary because it comes from the tax base. The moneys must be kept separate to keep us from being robbed blind. Where is my LOCKBOX!!!!!
FanBoy (6309 posts) (Reply to original post) February 20, 2017 at 2:11 am
16. after looking at that chart, i really question the motivation behind it and
its particularly troubling seeing that its a government site
its got a slice called ‘welfare’ that’s supposedly 7% of spending, except ‘welfare’ has a specific meaning and there hasn’t been ‘welfare’ since Clinton. when I use their ‘drill down’ function I see they’re including things like ‘unemployment’ as ‘welfare’. also the categories in their stupid ‘drill down’ are ridiculous: (I gave up trying to list everything because the layout is so fucking user unfriendly and the categorization so opaque)
family and children =
= other income security
Paid Leave Partnership Initiative
Payment Where Earned Income Credit Exceeds Liability for Tax
Payment Where Child Tax Credit Exceeds Liability for Tax
Allotment for Puerto Rico EITC Payments
Receipts from SSI Administrative Fee
Recovery of Beneficiary Overpayments from SSI Program
Supplemental Security Income Program
State Supplemental Fees, SSI
State Supplemental Fees
Interagency Coordinating Council on Workforce Attachment
Family Energy Assistance Fund
Federal Share of Child Support Collections
Payments to States for Child Support Enforcement and Family Support Programs
Low Income Home Energy Assistance
Refugee and Entrant Assistance
Payments to States for the Child Care and Development Block Grant Contingency Fund
Payments for Foster Care and Permanency
Child Care Entitlement to States
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families
Federal Intergovernmental – Public Welfare
I’ve followed these stats for a long time, and this new iteration is a complete cock up designed to confuse
for example, they include a policing function: “enforcement of child support” as “welfare” — that money actually goes to paid bureaucrats, courts and police. the government doesn’t fund actual ‘child support,’ the parents do.
‘enforcement’ is actually welfare for the top 10% – that’s why it gets funded.
the government only funds a total 5 year lifetime limit for actual ‘welfare’ (tanf) .
thanks to Clinton, btw.