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    US Deep State in Deep Trouble

    US Deep State in Deep Trouble

    US ruling power is in deep trouble because there are growing signs that the mass of citizens are no longer beholden to the supposed authority residing in Washington.

    Once the legitimacy of would-be authorities begins to collapse in the eyes of the people, then profound political change is in the offing, as history shows us through countless empires that came and went – often ignominiously.

    The so-called American Deep State comprising the military-intelligence apparatus and its operatives in the political and media establishment has put its credibility on the line over allegations of Russian interference in the US elections.

    Those allegations are threadbare, indeed baseless, despite concerted, overweening attempts by the Deep State to conjure up something of substance.

    read more: https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201701081049374470-us-in-deep-trouble/
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    Most Americans ‘Don’t Believe’ Russia Influenced US Election

    The majority of Americans don’t think that Russian authorities had any influence on the outcome of the recent presidential election in the US, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said, adding that the intelligence report alleging that Russia is behind several high-profile cyberattacks which hit the US in 2016 will have “very little” impact.

    “Most of the American public… they just don’t believe that the Russians impacted the outcome of the election. Even if it’s proven that they hacked in the systems and got John Podesta’s emails, there is not a shred of evidence, not a centile of evidence that it had any impact on how people voted and certainly not that the Russians were able to involve themselves in the election itself,” he said. Huckabee, a longtime supporter of President-elect Donald Trump, made similar statements in the past. Opinion polls back his assessment.

    The majority of Americans don’t think that Russian authorities had any influence on the outcome of the recent presidential election in the US, former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said, adding that the intelligence report alleging that Russia is behind several high-profile cyberattacks which hit the US in 2016 will have “very little” impact. “Most of the American public… they just don’t believe that the Russians impacted the outcome of the election. Even if it’s proven that they hacked in the systems and got John Podesta’s emails, there is not a shred of evidence, not a centile of evidence that it had any impact on how people voted and certainly not that the Russians were able to involve themselves in the election itself,” he said. Huckabee, a longtime supporter of President-elect Donald Trump, made similar statements in the past. U.S. President-elect Donald Trump © REUTERS/ Mike Segar US Democratic National Committee’s Negligence Allowed Hacking Into Party’s Servers – Trump Opinion polls back his assessment. A poll, conducted by Politico and Morning Consult between December 15 and December 17, showed that 44% of respondents did not believe that Russia influenced the outcome of the presidential election held in November, with 25 percent unsure. According to an NBC News and Wall Street Journal survey released on December 18, fifty-seven percent of those polled did not think that Russia’s supposed cyberattack on the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and John Podesta, the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s 2016 US presidential campaign, made any difference in the election.

    However, in December 2016, the Obama administration imposed restrictive measures on Russia, ordering the expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats, the closure of two Russian diplomatic compounds and additional sanctions against six Russian individuals and five entities over Moscow’s alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election in the US.

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/politics/201701071049352466-americans-russia-cyberattacks-election/
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    ‘Embarrassment’: How Foreign Journalists Reacted to Report on ‘Russian Hacking’

    The declassified version of the US intelligence report on the Kremlin’s supposed meddling in the 2016 presidential campaign in the US through high-profile cyberattacks has apparently left many journalists, including some of Moscow’s harshest critics, puzzled, with many saying that the document lacks the evidence to back up its assertions.

    Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald described the publicly available version of the report, titled “Assessing Russian Activities and Intentions in Recent US Elections,” as “flimsy.”

    “Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
    That they filled *half* the report with old, public-source information about RT shows how flimsy at least this version of the report is. https://twitter.com/Chemzes/status/817509367394238464
    11:16 PM – 6 Jan 2017″

    Kevin Rothrock, a web editor at The Moscow Times, called the document “an embarrassment.”

    Read more: https://sputniknews.com/world/201701081049367385-journalists-report-russia-hacking/

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  • ThouArtThat (1628 posts)
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    1. The 1% And Their Minions Have Only The Control Over Us That We Allow

    We can break their dominance any time we desire.

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    • elias39 (1904 posts)
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      3. I'd like to agree with you but there's no "how-to"

      to fix this mess. It may have gone too far. How do we break their dominance? Not by force. Not by voting. We could stop giving the govt money. Hit em where it hurts and force concessions? Maybe. But after a few generations of genetically dumbing-down the sheep, it may take a miracle to get the collective good sense to prevail.

      …on the other hand, there’s ThomPaine

      “Name, no, nothing is nameable, tell, no, nothing can be told, what then, I don't know, I shouldn't have begun.” ― Samuel Beckett, Stories and Texts for Nothing
      • ThouArtThat (1628 posts)
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        7. The Solution Is Straighforward – Starve The Beast – Disconnect From The Matrix

        Two things that every citizen in America can do tomorrow:

        1. Dispose of your TV
        2. Close your bank account and open a Credit Union account

        Two things that every citizen can do over time:

        1. Reduce consumption of meat – in particular beef (reduces oil consumption dramatically)
        2.  Start growing some of your own food

        Those four actions would significantly undermine the 1% within one years time.

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        • bemildred (1108 posts)
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          16. +1.

  • ThomPaine (1843 posts)
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    2. Sorry but I don't buy any of this. As we slide into more and more chaos, the

    easier it is for the Powers That Be and their Deep State to control people.  If the Deep State didn’t want Trump as our president, he wouldn’t be.  As someone else pointed out, this situation is just another 9/11 type disaster that the Powers That Be will use to tighten the noose.

    aka rhett o rick.      If I speak out against either Hillary or Trump, it doesn't mean I favor the other.  That should go without saying.
    • elias39 (1904 posts)
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      4. It's been my belief that TPTB wanted and expected Herself to be Prez.

      and they’re going to pull out stops that we didn’t even know they have, to undermine Trump. IMO it’s just a question of how long Trump can hold on and how much damage he gets away with. There are lots of Republicans who would turn on Trump in a heartbeat if it meant their job. If it meant going home and telling your neighbors that you were going to cut their SS.

      This place is gonna blow!

      “Name, no, nothing is nameable, tell, no, nothing can be told, what then, I don't know, I shouldn't have begun.” ― Samuel Beckett, Stories and Texts for Nothing
      • ThomPaine (1843 posts)
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        9. So the PTB wanted Clinton? What happened?

        aka rhett o rick.      If I speak out against either Hillary or Trump, it doesn't mean I favor the other.  That should go without saying.
        • elias39 (1904 posts)
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          13. Well, contrary to what you suggest, TPTB may be losing control

          not consolidating. And so Trump.

          By July 4, 2017 I think we’ll know whether Americans have any real ‘independence’.

          “Name, no, nothing is nameable, tell, no, nothing can be told, what then, I don't know, I shouldn't have begun.” ― Samuel Beckett, Stories and Texts for Nothing
          • ThomPaine (1843 posts)
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            14. It would be great to believe the PTB were losing control, but that

            will only happen if someone else is gaining control.  And I don’t believe the people are gaining control.

            aka rhett o rick.      If I speak out against either Hillary or Trump, it doesn't mean I favor the other.  That should go without saying.
        • StupidRedhead (2004 posts)
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          18. The Devil didn't give them their due.

          When they sold their souls they never thought they’d be deceived.

          • ThomPaine (1843 posts)
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            19. Ok but who is the devil? Who betrayed them?

            aka rhett o rick.      If I speak out against either Hillary or Trump, it doesn't mean I favor the other.  That should go without saying.
            • StupidRedhead (2004 posts)
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              20. I told you. The devil is those they sold their souls to

    • NJCher (1218 posts)
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      5. don't buy it

      Trump is a wild card. The worst part is if they off him like Kennedy, he has 3 very capable (and a son-in-law makes four) adults to contend with. They have resources and they won’t just “go away.”

      Trump was not their choice. They want predictable. They wanted a bought and paid for Hillary Clinton.


      Cher

      • The Crone (2184 posts)
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        6. He is a wild card. But the part of that card that

        Scares them the most is his non-moveable devotion to ending “Free Trade.” Hells bells, the PTB were practically pissing their  pants on one Fox “News Show” some four weeks before the election. The Fox Talking Heads  announced that both Trump and Her Highness were unsuitable candidates because neither could be controlled on the “Free Trade” aspects of their campaigns.

        And Herself never was that much against Free Trade agreements. All she ever said was that she thought that the TPP “should be tweaked” in some very minor ways.

        America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
        • ThomPaine (1843 posts)
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          10. I think Trump's businesses come before his patriotism. He can be bought.

          And how would he convince a “Free Trade” loving Congress to kill the “Free Trade” movement.

          aka rhett o rick.      If I speak out against either Hillary or Trump, it doesn't mean I favor the other.  That should go without saying.
          • The Crone (2184 posts)
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            11. His main business has been his hotels.

            Which are built in this country. He isn’t some garment maker needing cheap labor in Bangladesh. Or a meat packer whose business is now in Mexico. Or an auto maker whose car part are now in Mexico.

            His investment portfolio might look different than the situation described above. But since the stock market is now heading upwards, as there seems to be consensus even on Wall Street  that we need Americans to have jobs in order to have a stable economy, he could probably do quite well simply switching his portfolio into industries that are increasing in value since he took office.

            America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
      • ThomPaine (1843 posts)
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        8. If they were going to "off him" they wouldn't have waited. Also,

        I can’t buy that the Powers That Be were defeated by the will of the voters.  The PTB have stolen elections.  In fact, it looks like this election was stolen and not by the Russians.  Yes Trump is a wild card, but I am not at all convinced that he can’t be convinced to play ball.  So far his appointments are in line with what the PTB want.

        aka rhett o rick.      If I speak out against either Hillary or Trump, it doesn't mean I favor the other.  That should go without saying.
        • The Crone (2184 posts)
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          12. Personally I am open to either scenario.

          That the Trump win  was the will of the voters (together with the peculiarities of the Electoral College.)

          And also it is possible that the Deep State was involved.

          I do know as an average citizen, I have no way of telling definitively which it was. But I will say this – in 2014, when standing out on a street corner to collect signatures for a local issue, many many people said, “If the Dems  hand me that “Lesser of Two Evils” shit one more time, I will vote for their Bigger Evil. Or else I won’t vote.”

          And all through 2016, I saw numerous Bernie bumper stickers, yard signs, folks wearing his Tees, etc. And numerous Trump bumper stickers. I saw a total of four Hillary bumper stickers, one of which was a left over from 2008 primaries.

          I often talked to the Trump bumper sticker crowd. And what they thought Trump’s selling point was is in the idea of bringing American jobs back here to America. They had scorn for such “intelligent” Clinton slogans as “I’m with her.” Not one of those I talked to seemed to be racist or xenophobic. In fact they seemed much more worldly to me than some of my lady friends who have spent their adulthoods on college campuses teaching women’s issues.

          America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
        • NJCher (1218 posts)
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          15. think about it

          Scholar Steven Cohen, who is a Russian history scholar (credentials) says that he has never seen such vociferous attacks on an incoming president as what is being done to Trump. Where are these attacks coming from?  The Clinton camp and the establishment liberal side. They are the establishment now. They have called Trump a fifth column. Never before has an incoming president been treated like this.

          Go look at Hillary Clinton’s donations base. Look at the “Industries” tab. That is the PTB.  Here ya’ go–I even did your homework for you.

          http://jordanrussiacenter.org/author/scohen/

          You are just wrong.  Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.  I don’t even see how you can make such an argument. The basic facts are there for anybody to see.

          Cohen says that Trump has upset Washington. No one knows what to expect. This may be for only a short time–who knows–but that is the situation right now. Trump is not a PTB puppet. He didn’t need their money to get in.

          Now maybe one of these days he’ll get that little talk that Obama supposedly got and he’ll change his M.O.  What counts more to him?  His life or being his own man? That remains to be seen. For now, Trump is not a puppet.


          Cher

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