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    We Do Not Live in “Post Truth” World, …

    By Robert Fisk

    We Do Not Live in “Post Truth” World, We Live in a World of Lies and We Always Have

    We do not live in a “post-truth” world, neither in the Middle East nor in the West – nor in Russia, for that matter. We live in a world of lies. And we always have lived in a world of lies.

    Just take a look at the wreckage of the Middle East with its history of people’s popular republics and its hateful dictators. They feast on dishonesty, although they all – bar the late Muammar al-Gaddafi – demand regular elections to make-believe their way back to power.

    Now, I suppose, it is we who have regular elections based on lies. So maybe Trump and the Arab autocrats will get on rather well. Trump already likes Field Marshal/President al-Sissi of Egypt, and he’s already got a golf course in Dubai. That he deals in lies, that he manufactures facts, should make him quite at home in the Middle East. Misogyny, bullying, threats to political opponents, authoritarianism, tyranny, torture, sneers at minorities: it’s part and parcel of the Arab world.

    And look at Israel. The new US ambassador-to-be – who might as well be the Israeli ambassador to the US – can’t wait to move the American embassy to Jerusalem. He seems to feel more antagonism towards the Jewish left in America than the Palestinians who claim East Jerusalem as a capital and whose state he has no interest in. Will Trump enrage the Arabs? Or will he get away with a little domestic rearrangement of the Israel embassy on the grounds that the Gulf Arabs, at least, know that Israel’s anti-Shiism – against Syria, Iran and Hezbollah – fits in rather well with the Sunni potentates who’ve been funding Isis and Jabhat al-Nusrah and all the other jolly jihadis?

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/30/we-do-not-live-in-post-truth-world-we-live-in-a-world-of-lies-and-we-always-have/

     

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  • jwirr (2810 posts)
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    1. Always?

    • bemildred (1952 posts)
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      2. I think people have been bullshitting each other since before we could talk.

      It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
      • jwirr (2810 posts)
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        3. I agree to some extent but then I remember watching the Vietnam war on tv.

        We saw the truth. Yes the government was BSing us but the media tried to let us see what was really happening.

        • bemildred (1952 posts)
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          4. People have been seeing through the bullshit for about that long too.

          I think Fisk does a service by pointing out that there is plenty of it to see through still.

          It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
          • jwirr (2810 posts)
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            5. Agreed. Just was disturbed at the use of the word always. Once upon a time we

            had good sources of information.

            • bemildred (1952 posts)
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              6. Better than now, for sure. I remember that too.

              It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.