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  • senz (4725 posts)
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    When the Establishment Can't Prove Trump-Russia Collusion, Progressives Win

    When The Establishment Fails To Prove Trump-Russia Election Collusion, The Progressive Takeover Begins
    Caitlin Johnstone, Newslogue
    21 Mar 2017

    In the 1st paragraph, Caitlin Johnstone notes that the current “McCarthyist dog and pony show” is “guaranteed to turn up nothing that will lead to Trump’s impeachment or arrest.”

    The remaining four paragraphs are as follows …

    And mark my words, no tangible evidence of such collusion will be found. Establishment officials are already trying to caution the public not to get their hopes up about finding anything of the sort, because they have realized that they’ve painted themselves into a corner. All the Russia hysteria has made a useful distraction from the fact that actual real-life election rigging is known to have happened in the DNC in the last election cycle, and increasing tensions with Russia has been useful for the manipulations that the power establishment has been looking to advance with that nation, but it’s also brought all Democrats together under one propaganda-driven narrative, and the spell of that narrative is about to be broken. After months and months of gaslighting through Rachel Maddow’s conspiratorial tirades and anonymous CIA leaks through the Washington Post, rank-and-file Democrats are about to realize that they’ve been had, and journalists all around the country are about to realize they’ve bet their reputation on a lie.

    When this happens, we will pounce. The only thing that’s been holding this insane corporatist political system in place is the corporate media which is owned and operated by the same band of plutocrats who own the corporatist politicians. That’s the only reason the American people keep voting for politicians who don’t help them and keep settling for a system which uses their tax dollars for drone bombs instead of for giving them the same basic standards of living accorded to everyone else in every other major country. If we can help break their trust in the mainstream media and the political establishment, we can change the way Americans think and vote. That trust is the only thing keeping them anchored to the establishment narrative.

    So we will point out, again and again and again, everywhere we can at every opportunity, that these people lied to them. We will not let them move the goalposts and start babbling about “Russian oligarchs”, Rex Tillerson and Crimea with their stupid conspiratorial graphs with all the arrows pointing all over the place, because without hard proof of collusion between Trump and the Russian government to win the 2016 election, all they’ve got is proof that some members of the current administration did business in Russia and weren’t eager to volunteer information about their interactions in the midst of a fact-free McCarthyist feeding frenzy. All they’ve got is evidence of businessmen doing normal business and politicians doing normal politics, and a bunch of fact-free conjecture. We will never stop reminding them that the political establishment just attempted another “Saddam has WMDs,” only this time we caught them in the act.

    Is it checkmate for the Democrat establishment? Only time will tell. The problem they have right now is that they’ve put all their eggs in the one basket; everything they have springboards from this election-stealing story being true. If Trump didn’t collude with the Russians to hack the DNC and Podesta’s emails and publish them, then every other accusation carries no weight. But here’s the thing — this is all they have. They have nothing else. As annoying as the constant bleating of “Russia, Russia, Russia!” has been, this unified chorus has brought together everyone we can’t trust into one place like zombies to a live brain. Anyone who has been saying this stuff either has no morals or no idea. They’re either really evil or really dumb. They either can’t be trusted or are far too trusting. Every politician, every journalist, every pundit, every nice lady with a Facebook account, every single person who has been all about Russia lately has dye-stained themselves as either the source or a carrier of the mind-virus.

    http://www.newslogue.com/debate/403/CaitlinJohnstone

    She says it so well.  We need to see this for the opportunity it is.

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    I'm not ignoring you; they won't let me reply to or post messages.  You can PM me though if you feel like it.  No one has told me how long this will last.  It's a little weird, I must say ...  :shrug: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info  Caitlin Johnstone   https://consortiumnews.com/   Jimmy Dore  http://anonhq.com/   http://markcrispinmiller.com/   http://www.thecanary.co/

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  • Bernin4U (505 posts)
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    1. Can't help but wonder if the timing of this amping up in the news

    …could have anything to do with Bernie’s recent popularity pwnage over the last couple weeks?

    Hey old man, get off our front page!!

    • senz (4725 posts)
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      2. Good point. The last thing they want is a reminder of people power.

      I hope Bernie reads Caitlin.  He’d know how to make use of this.

      I'm not ignoring you; they won't let me reply to or post messages.  You can PM me though if you feel like it.  No one has told me how long this will last.  It's a little weird, I must say ...  :shrug: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info  Caitlin Johnstone   https://consortiumnews.com/   Jimmy Dore  http://anonhq.com/   http://markcrispinmiller.com/   http://www.thecanary.co/
    • peacecorps (2395 posts)
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      6. Bernie supports investigating possible Trump-Russia ties so

      this news in no way harms or diminishes Bernie’s appeal.

      And Bernie knows and has spoken many times to the point that it was the failures of the Democratic Party that were mainly responsible for the Trump victory not any alleged Russian influence.

      In the 1st paragraph, Caitlin Johnstone notes that the current “McCarthyist dog and pony show” is “guaranteed to turn up nothing that will lead to Trump’s impeachment or arrest.”

      Not much in life is “guaranteed” but it is a pretty safe bet that Trump will not be “arrested” (no president ever has been) or impeached by a partisan republican congress.

      Publicly proving collusion between Trump and Russia would be impossible – the old “can’t expose ‘sources and methods'” excuse if nothing else. Even the ol’ “what did he know and when did he know it” question is highly unlikely to be answered in a way that would “prove” that he encouraged or condoned any collusion.

      Few republican politicians are going to ever believe that collusion was “proven” when such belief would be highly detrimental to their own political careers

      I doubt Trump has much to worry about from investigations run by republican in congress. They seem to spend their time defending him and deflecting attention to other matters.

      FDR stood for high/progressive taxes, tight regulation of corporations, effective legislation to support strong unions, a strong safety net, fiscal policy that supports full employment rather than austerity, engagement with the rest of the world in terms of trade and diplomacy and the Four Freedoms. Bernie supports the same issues plus an understanding of the danger posed by climate change. Count me as an FDR/Bernie liberal.
  • 2bAnon (3903 posts)
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    3. What is this? Pretzel Logic Digest?

    fucking hilarious.  :roflmao:

     

    http://jackpineradicals.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/sergiolara2-1.mp3

     
     
  • aspirant (1204 posts)
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    4. No, they have more

    “But here’s the thing — this is all they have. They have nothing else. As annoying as the constant bleating of “Russia, Russia, Russia!”

    Trump and his demolition Cabinet are giving the American people all the ammunition they need to resist

    Also, when the Trump administration can’t Dis-Prove the Trump-Russia connection the stigma stays and helps us to rid ourselves of anti-American Trump legislation

    We need to fight both the evil Trump crowd and the DC establishment gang

    • sorechasm (80 posts)
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      13. You get the feeling that CIA propagandists were born during the Weimer Republic?

      The commies burned down the Reichstag!! Oh. I mean, the commies stole Podesta’s emails!!

      They need to get some younger, more creative liars.

      • aspirant (1204 posts)
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        15. "They need to get some younger, more creative liars,"

        good advice for the Trump crowd too

  • vattel (1027 posts)
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    5. I am not convinced.

    “If Trump didn’t collude with the Russians to hack the DNC and Podesta’s emails and publish them, then every other accusation carries no weight.”

    Who in the corporate media or democratic establishment has made the accusation that Trump colluded with the Russians in this specific way, namely, “to hack the DNC and Podesta’s emails and publish them”?  The Times? The Post? CNN? MSNBC? Pelosi? Schumer?

     

    • aspirant (1204 posts)
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      7. It was Comey who said

      the Russian Hackers gave Wikileaks the files thru “cut outs” and all the Trump advisors meeting with Russian agents provides the stigma.

      • Koko (2406 posts)
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        8. Yes, Comey and Rodgers put themselves on the line in testimony yesterday:

        They both were blaming Russia/Putin for giving the documents to Assange implying that they were working together. Discrediting Assange via Putin was what they seemed to be intent on doing by saying Assange was a “cut out” of Putin.

        Quote from you:

        “the Russian Hackers gave Wikileaks the files thru “cut outs” and all the Trump advisors meeting with Russian agents provides the stigma.”

         

        • aspirant (1204 posts)
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          9. Assange's reputation

          depends on Assange’s verification of the files validity.

          Assange has stated repeatedly that his source (cut-out) wasn’t Russian and the validity of the files have not been disputed.

          To my knowledge, he doesn’t have a long standing relationship with the Russian government so establishing a Russian intent behind his releases would seem to be a long shot.

          To the contrary, meetings and financial dealings between Trump, his advisors and now Breitbart and Infowars with Russian agents are plentiful.

          If this was a Comey attempt to discredit, this citizen isn’t biting

          • Koko (2406 posts)
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            17. Good Point!

            Agree!

            “Assange has stated repeatedly that his source (cut-out) wasn’t Russian and the validity of the files have not been disputed.

            To my knowledge, he doesn’t have a long standing relationship with the Russian government so establishing a Russian intent behind his releases would seem to be a long shot.

            To the contrary, meetings and financial dealings between Trump, his advisors and now Breitbart and Infowars with Russian agents are plentiful.

            If this was a Comey attempt to discredit, this citizen isn’t biting”

      • Ferd Berfel (2947 posts)
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        12. And it was Assange that inferered

        that the Wilileak info were LEAKS and not Hacks

        …and you think you’re going to stop this simply by ‘pulling a lever’, in a booth, behind a curtain, every 2 years? Know yourself. And if you need help, call the FBI.
        • aspirant (1204 posts)
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          16. Let's hope Assange

          challenges any erroneous findings

      • vattel (1027 posts)
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        18. In other words, no one that you know of.

  • MistaP (3892 posts)
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    10. remember, this is aimed at Sanders even more than Trump

    “the Russians” weren’t proving that Clinton was cheating against Trump, they were proving that the entire primary was a hoax from stem to stern; they only trotted out pictures of Stein in Moscow after Her loss

    any lawsuits, any change in party procedures that result from the leaks would be to benefit Sandernistas, not Trump; had he been President he himself would be admitting it was “because of the Russians” that got the convention to switch to him after the cheating was revealed

    the only real WL that mentioned Trump is in my sigline, everything else is about cheating Sanders: if Assange was trying to intervene in the election it was to get Sanders in, not Trump

    http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/ (Third Way = Bell Curve)
  • 3FingerBrown (117 posts)
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    11. This is a dog and pony show.

    Kind of funny how all these Hillbots now hanging on Comey’s every utterance after (originally) accusing him of losing the election for Herself a few months ago!

  • Enthusiast (6022 posts)
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    14. We knew they were making it up all along.

    One clue was, they usually lie. Almost everything they say is a lie or an exaggeration. This is just one more example.

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church