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Upper Class Dependence on the Poor

  • mntleo2 (31 posts)
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    Upper Class Dependence on the Poor

    This is going to be long. I am speaking about poverty as I am a poverty scholar having both lived, studied, and witnessed poverty on the ground. Why do I think poverty is an important issue in your discussion? Because the middle and upper classes do not realize how much they depend on those in poverty to maintain their own class standings. Here are some ways:

    1. Cheap labor. While in our own country and those abroad who do not make enough wage to live on, every time you visit a grocery store, a WalMart or Target store, a café worker, childcare worker, and grounds keeper, Home Depot, etc., anyone of the upper classes who patronize those services, they are dependent on these workers to keep the prices down both for the goods they buy as well as the employee whom they pay, this is so they can afford those goods and services.
    1. Charity donations: On the average when donating to a mega-non-profits who receive about $52,000-$64,000 per client ~ but only about $2,000 is actually given in direct services. Rich people who donate $millions can use these donations as their own private Cayman Islands for tax breaks. In essence, they do not make any donation at all since they get it all back. NOBODY asks where that $50,000-62,000 goes. Well, I have asked that question and found to my disgust that little is done by these mega-nons for anyone but themselves.
    1. Furthermore mega non-profits use cheap labor while their Executive Directors and their associated cohorts make 6-7 figure incomes ~ while even employing slave labor (“volunteers” who are often the working poor paying off things such as their welfare check at 50 cents an hour or community work for those getting out of jail or work requirements to pay off food stamps, and/or now Medicaid). Non-profit paid workers are also paid well below the standard of living ~ so they can benefit the charity to generate those donations that pay those Executive Directors, lawyers, accountants, and board members those 6 figure incomes.
    1. Government funding in mega-non-profits is a must since they often match grants for these entities. They usually do not give grants to smaller non-profits who are doing the REAL work on the ground. These for-profits who also take in slave labor for “training” while never having to observe labor laws such as giving breaks or observe safety issues, often forcing their slave labor to work a straight 8 hours with not so much as a lunch break.
    1. Taxes: In my state (WA) as a low-income person I pay over 17% of my income in taxes, as do most poor, who pay up to 20% of their meager income in this way.  The middle class pays about 10% in taxes out of their incomes ~ and the richest pay only 2% of their incomes in taxes. Both classes howl about how much they pay, but the truth is, they can afford to pay the 17% the poor pay, but law-makers would *never* concede this reality, instead they keep raising regressive taxes that burden the poor the most. Why does the poor pay so much? So the upper classes don’t have to. 
    1. Illegal immigrants: the employers who pay them pass their “savings” onto us, while illegal immigrants pay for things they would never receive such as paying into the Social Security and Medicare funds. You can find out how much they pay in your state here: My state receives over $315,000,000.
    1. Medical industry: Whether a mega-non or for- profit the medical industry who employ millions in the middle and upper classes, they receive massive $millions in grants and donations to maintain their businesses. These classes depend upon that money to employ themselves or profit from the takings. I also include there the psychology and psychiatry businesses in this mix who depend on $millions for their own for-profit businesses. BTW there is no scientific proof psychology or psychiatry works.
    1. The prison industries: As the U.S. has the largest prison populations in the world it should be considered how the middle and upper classes depend upon the prison industries for their own survival They keep the lower and middle class in jobs. They often use slave labor in for-profit prisons for side businesses, hard labor and other ways to profit off a convicted felon’s backs.

    Those are just a few ways those in the upper classes depend upon the poor for their own benefit. The next time anyone looks down on a beggar in the street, they might consider how they employ the middle class to give them services from these entities and how the upper classes employ a huge proportion of the middle classes for their own survival.

    It is time for the upper classes to realize their own dependence upon the poor by using punitive practices to keep the poor in check with rules, regulations, and laws. BTW if you want to see where you stand in your state as to how much of your income you pay in taxes compared to the other classes you can find that here:

    Just (way more than) my 2 cents, Cat in Seattle


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  • ThouArtThat (2747 posts)
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    1. Absolutely Correct – The 1% Are Grifters And Kleptocrats – The Sooner The 99%

    Realize this the sooner we can be liberated from the drain on our individual and collective resources.

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    • mntleo2 (31 posts)
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      3. The middle class

      …especially have a hard time facing the reality they depend upon the poor, they think it was all about their “working hard” and think the poor “don’t work hard enough” or they would be middle class too. The rich don’t care, they like to chalk it all up to “smart business practices.” The poor often do not realize how much they contribute and consider themselves a burden on society, that they are tax payers themselves and often make the greatest sacrifice to pay them.

      You are right it is all about educating all classes as to how much they depend upon the poor. If each class saw this they would have to take responsibility for how they profit. IMO they are too chicken to face that ~ plus it pays off for them if they pretend the poor are a burden.

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  • Entrepreneur (1414 posts)
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    2. Yes. And while the poor are berated for having cell phones or TVs while on

    government subsidies, rarely if ever do these same critics complain about large institutions taking taxpayer subsidies while paying their upper level executives multi-million dollar salaries.  It’s all a diversion. Because if it was really about delivering the most services while wasting the fewest taxpayer dollars then these institutions would be held to the same standards, such as eliminating exorbitant executive salaries or forfeiting taxpayer subsidies.

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    • mntleo2 (31 posts)
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      4. What you said X 1000 ^^^

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  • Dragonfli (780 posts)
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    5. Excellent Contribution, brevity matters little if length adds to clarity

    I certainly hope you will join the group and consider continuing to add any special expertise you may have. I am very experienced in matters of poverty, but my experience relies on personal experiences within a poverty ridden sub-culture, having been born in poverty, raised myself from 15 on, homeless the first three years in even deeper poverty and having never abandoned the poverty ridden neighborhood that I grew up in.

    You said you studied poverty, I am merely self educated and so may lack expertise. As long as you are not among those that live only in the world of theory (many such scholars make things worse, even with the best of intentions, for those living it) and have actual experience as one that has suffered the condition personally and thus understand exactly what I am talking about, you are very much needed here.

    Please consider taking a very active role.


    “We must dissent from the indifference. We must dissent from the apathy. We must dissent from the fear, the hatred and the mistrust. We must dissent from a nation that has buried its head in the sand, waiting in vain for the needs of its poor, its elderly, and its sick to disappear and just blow away. We must dissent from a government that has left its young without jobs, education or hope. We must dissent from the poverty of vision and the absence of moral leadership. We must dissent because America can do better, because America has no choice but to do better.” Thurgood Marshall    

  • FanBoy (6257 posts)
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    6. I've observed precisely the same things you have and can only say that I

    wish more people understood the game.  I had a guy singing the praises of the “non-profit charity” that runs my
    “work-half-time-for-minimum-wage” “job training” program.  He didn’t believe me when I said the charity gets all the money from the feds — he thought they somehow came up with the money themselves.  He was a bit ticked off that I contradicted his story and has pretty much ignored me since at the meetings of another non-profit volunteer org we both belong to.  He has a “real” job at yet another non-profit, which again, exists to ‘help’ those damaged by the ravages of capital.  What would all these helpers do for work if capital stopped ravaging, I wonder?

    Mine is one of the programs Trump wants to kill — for a pittance (<500 mill).   And just guessing that a chunk of that goes into salaries for the program’s “helping professionals” too.  Participants only make about 9K a year, working for yet *other* non-profits.  Which again, exist to ‘help’.

    Even figuring a minimal salary & benefits, the program supervisor must make nearly half of what is paid to all the local participants.  Which likely comes out of the <500 mill budget as well.  Plus some part of the funding for other “helpers,” like the social networker who is supposed to find open jobs we can’t find on our own, but so far has never come up with anything not already listed in public sources.

    So to your list of benefits the uppers get, I should add one the upper-middles get — somewhat prestigious and supposedly ethical/caring jobs as ‘helpers’.  Which exist only because of the growing population of ‘helped,’ which is deliberate divide and rule policy of the rulers.  And the helpers, who pride themselves on their intelligence, will for the most part never see it.  They’re invested in the problems they (fail to) help with being real, and caused by the shortcomings of participants, who obviously need their dubious help.