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    • #322235
      lownslow
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    • #322239
      Voltairine
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      2) – 9), same.

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      Populist Prole
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      ZimInSeattle
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      Donald Trump yesterday deployed federal police to attack peaceful protesters, all to stage a photo op of himself threatening to militarily invade his own country. In response, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer issued a press release, and promised no real action to do anything, days after House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer declared that the U.S. House won’t have any floor votes for another month.

      Democrats would have you believe they are victims and have no power in this situation — which is, in a word, horseshit. And not just run-of-the-mill horseshit we’ve all gotten used to — this is especially dangerous horseshit, because we need them to actually use the power they currently have to oppose what’s going on. Right now.

      They do have real power. The party controls one chamber of Congress that Trump needs to finance his power grab. They also fully control 15 state legislatures and have partial control of another 13 state legislatures. And they control nearly half the nation’s governorships, and most major cities’ mayoralties — the former of which has authority over the national guard, and the latter of which run the police forces that are committing acts of violence in our streets.

      That’s a lot of power to actually do something right now.

      "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK #SurviveAndRevolt

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      xyzse
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      Democrats have a lot of power as well.  There is no excuse to doing nothing, and especially what they are doing in actually helping Trump on making America even more of a police state.

      • #322270
        Voltairine
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        If only thing you can do is fuck up and make things only worse, better stop doing.

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        • #322314
          xyzse
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          @voltairine Yeah, in some cases, that is what it looks like.  Problem is, I think they are working towards the Police state, and of course being the ticks that they are, fattening themselves from the people’s lifeblood.

          • #322357
            Voltairine
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            And this rebellion is about ending the police state.

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            • #322413
              sadoldgirl
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              @voltairine:

              You are very naive to think that this is the start

              of your revolution. As long as we have a physical

              as well as digital surveillance state, and prostitute

              media with their propaganda, this will not happen.

              Right now they permit a part of the population to

              blow off steam, then they will even clamp down harder

              by claiming that these “violent groups” hurt the

              economy for the middle class.

              • #322487
                Voltairine
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                I consider revolution a continuous process, evolution process primarily in hearts and minds, in the collective emotional sphere and how that relates to big organizing narratives and changes in them.

                Rebellions are more periodical challenges to ruling narratives, moments of disobedience and radical revaluation.

                The real question is not about dethroning the ruling class and destroying the old system. They are self-destructing and the systemic collapse has been going on for a good while, now only increasing pace.

                The real question, the real challenge, is how to get through this collapse with least casualties and suffering possible, how to maintain and reorganize vital functions of human society to sustainable basis.

                As for your question about material basis, investments in surveillance state, police state, militarized imperialism are not productive investments. The profit rates from external looting – imperialism – have long time ago fallen so much that maintaining the military looting machine costs much more than it can loot, the yield of imperialism both soft and hard has turned negative. This means that the maintenance costs of the imperialist looting machine have to be covered by increasingly looting and devouring the domestic base, by wanton destruction of US real economy. The more real economy gets destroyed, the less there is to loot for maintenance of war economy, police state, surveillance state, as the system keeps spiraling down at increasing pace from the failed state of today, to the even more failed state of tomorrow.

                When army of looters – the state – can find nothing more to loot in the smoking ruins and there are only ruins everywhere, the army dissolves and it’s former soldiers either starve to death or start making productive investments of planting seeds and tending a garden.

                If and when people see and accept this inevitable logic, they can start adjusting their actions accordingly, more holistically, and defend their communities of primary production, innovate build new links of solidarity and co-operation, etc. to save what is worth saving from form of society and build new more sustainable forms.

                 

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      Snort McDork
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      They would be fired in any other job.

      I'm Snort McDork and I approved this message.

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      Electrolyte Orchestra
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      Their actual resistance is needed and their quiver is empty. They blew their wad on Russiagate and Ukraine impeachment. That was as much sack as this crop of Dems has ever showed. They are exhausted now. Plus, it’s election time soon. Taking any sort of stand could damage whatever tepid support they have. Best to go ‘thoughts and prayers’ with the whole thing.

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      Fasttense
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      Gave the police direction to shoot protesters in the leg. What more do you need?

      Obama cleared out Occupy protesters with similar tactics that Trump is using for his photo ops.

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      jerry611
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      Try to pass something…anything. Something meaningful but has a chance to pass. Don’t just write a bloated 20,000 page bill and watch it die on the floor and throw up your arms and say, “we tried now vote for us again!” One bill doesn’t have to try and solve every problem.

      Congress needs to start doing its job. I’m sure you can find a few libertarian Republicans who agree the police has too much power and be willing to pass something to reign that in some. You have to have a starting point and then work at it.

      But I think what you are more likely to see is Democrats force Biden to pick a black woman for VP and then call it a day. And nothing changes.

    • #322414
      Ohio Barbarian
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      They will do nothing but whine, and then turn around and give Trump all the money that he wants to do whatever he wants. If you think their leadership believes in democracy, think again. They don’t.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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      eridani
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      4. Stop giving military-grade weapons to local police departments.
      Research has shown a link between police violence and the use of the Pentagon program that provides excess military equipment to local law enforcement agencies. Democrats right now have the power to restrict or fully eliminate that program. They could do it during the upcoming reauthorization of the NDAA, which is the overarching legislation that governs what the Pentagon can and cannot do. Or they could do it on the must-pass, annual Pentagon spending bill. In fact, they already have the legislative language to do that — it was tried by some House Democrats in 2014, but Democrats helped the GOP-run House kill it back then. Now that the Democrats control the House, they could just pass it.

      5. Fire the bad police chiefs and deescalate.
      Democratic mayors can fire police chiefs whose police departments are out of control. If you see rampant acts of police violence, as we’ve seen in cities across the country, and you see your Democratic mayor standing by the police chief, then your Democratic mayor is complicit. Your Democratic mayor could instead do what Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer just did after a police shooting there. Your Democratic mayor can also order police to halt their antagonistic expressions of martial power — the unnecessary flaunting of heavily armed law enforcement and the chest-thumping displays of police power are just heightening tensions. Mayors could instead follow the lead of Newark’s Ras Baraka — the New York Times reports that his police force has “made a tactical decision not to position police officers in military-style gear along the route” and so far, the city has not seen the kind of violent clashes that we’ve seen in other population centers.

      7. Restrict the National Guard.
      Democratic governors have the power to use the national guard to militarize the situation in their states. But until Trump federalizes the National Guard, they also have the power to carefully restrict or demobilize the national guard’s actions and activities.

      8. Pass legislation restricting the police and ending immunity.
      Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna has a bill to change use-of-force standards at the federal level, so that under the law, violence must officially be a last resort in police conduct. As he notes: “the current legal standard gives nearly unfettered discretion to police over their use of force, as long as they claim to perceive a threat, even if there were other available options to de-escalate the situation.” There is also new legislation by independent Rep. Justin Amash to end the so-called “qualified immunity” standard that shields police officers and public officials from punishment for violating Americans’ constitutional rights. The House could pass both of these bills, and Democratic state legislatures could pass their own versions of these bills as well.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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