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    A Clandestine War: CIA vs. US Army

    From 2012, very interesting:

    The US Army is involved in a shadow war against the Central Intelligence Agency when it realized that the morale of its troops have gone down due to illegal orders affecting non-combatants and the use of its military bases for launching drone attacks against suspected Taliban targets within Pakistan where said bases are located. Countless civilian lives were lost during these attacks, and Pakistan is blaming the US military hierarchy for such mindless activities.

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    what I found to be most impressive was a lengthy report about a raging war between the American Army and the Central Intelligence Agency, centered in the Pakistan and Afghanistan areas. According to this, the American Army was very angry with the CIA for its drone bombing attacks on Pakistani targets. They were very upset because the CIA used Army bases to launch attacks against suspected Taliban targets, even if they were inside Pakistan and even if many civilians were killed in these attacks. The reason for the Army’s anger was that the CIA personnel used Army bases to launch their drone attacks and even work US Army uniforms while doing this. The senior military commands were being blamed by the Pakistani government for the killing of civilians when in reality, they had nothing to do with it. Several pages of copies of cables to Washington’s Pentagon showed me very sharply that the Army had protested even as high as the President himself about this and had been ordered by his office to let the CIA do as it pleased. This went very badly with the generals and that was when they began a clandestine war, not against Muslims but against their own CIA!

    To do this, they used many tricks but the most interesting one was the use of the Wikileaks program. Mr. Julian Assanage, the head of this group, was Australian and considered to be a brilliant “hacker.” He had been arrested for getting into sensitive sites in Australia and sent to jail for a short time. Later, from 2002 to 2006, when Assange went to the University of Melbourne he had been recruited by the US Army DARPA program that was designed to hack into Chinese military computer sites.

    They were very successful at this work and then, with DARPA assistance and support, Assange set up Wikileaks as a vehicle for launching counter attacks against chosen Army targets. .With him were other DARPA people like the dissidents Wan Dan, Wang Youcai, (the founder of the Chinese Democracy Party;) Xiao Qiang, who had become the director of the China Internet Project at the University of California at Berkeley, and Rashi Narngyal Khamsitsang, a leading Tibetan exile.

    More:

    https://geopolitics.co/2012/01/07/a-clandestine-war-cia-vs-us-army/

     

    Edit to add my own comment, after posting the results of my search US military intelligence/DIA/Michael Flynn vs. CIA:

    The first link is too overtly CT for my tastes (Claims about Assange role is both dubious and interesting), but all links paint the same general picture and are worth a read as whole. In short, Trump is dumping CIA in favor of DIA, his pick for his national security advisor SHOUTS that loud and clear; deep state infight round of 2016 election winner is clear and all CIA and it’s MSM asset are now able to do is to to keep on digging and embarras their incompetent asses even more. In one of the links below it is said that CIA personnel are ex cops etc., while DIA personnel are highly educated pros who speak the local languages etc., but don’t do CIA style black ops, just real intelligence work. To put it short, DIA guys and pro DIA pieces say DIA are better spooks than incompetent CIA (and their neocons and neoliberals) who are doing big harm to US national interests around the world and at home. And now DIA faction of deep state holds the highest office.

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  • id-entity (2015 posts)
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    1. US military vs the CIA

    DECEMBER 23, 2015:

    The military’s resistance dates back to the summer of 2013, when a highly classified assessment, put together by the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, then led by General Martin Dempsey, forecast that the fall of the Assad regime would lead to chaos and, potentially, to Syria’s takeover by jihadi extremists, much as was then happening in Libya. A former senior adviser to the Joint Chiefs told me that the document was an ‘all-source’ appraisal, drawing on information from signals, satellite and human intelligence, and took a dim view of the Obama administration’s insistence on continuing to finance and arm the so-called moderate rebel groups. By then, the CIA had been conspiring for more than a year with allies in the UK, Saudi Arabia and Qatar to ship guns and goods – to be used for the overthrow of Assad – from Libya, via Turkey, into Syria. The new intelligence estimate singled out Turkey as a major impediment to Obama’s Syria policy. The document showed, the adviser said, ‘that what was started as a covert US programme to arm and support the moderate rebels fighting Assad had been co-opted by Turkey, and had morphed into an across-the-board technical, arms and logistical programme for all of the opposition, including Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State.

    Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, director of the DIA between 2012 and 2014, confirmed that his agency had sent a constant stream of classified warnings to the civilian leadership about the dire consequences of toppling Assad. The jihadists, he said, were in control of the opposition. Turkey wasn’t doing enough to stop the smuggling of foreign fighters and weapons across the border. ‘If the American public saw the intelligence we were producing daily, at the most sensitive level, they would go ballistic,’ Flynn told me. ‘We understood Isis’s long-term strategy and its campaign plans, and we also discussed the fact that Turkey was looking the other way when it came to the growth of the Islamic State inside Syria.

    Our policy of arming the opposition to Assad was unsuccessful and actually having a negative impact,’ the former JCS adviser said. ‘The Joint Chiefs believed that Assad should not be replaced by fundamentalists. The administration’s policy was contradictory. They wanted Assad to go but the opposition was dominated by extremists. So who was going to replace him? To say Assad’s got to go is fine, but if you follow that through – therefore anyone is better. It’s the “anybody else is better” issue that the JCS had with Obama’s policy.’ The Joint Chiefs felt that a direct challenge to Obama’s policy would have ‘had a zero chance of success’. So in the autumn of 2013 they decided to take steps against the extremists without going through political channels, by providing US intelligence to the militaries of other nations, on the understanding that it would be passed on to the Syrian army and used against the common enemy, Jabhat al-Nusra and Islamic State.

    Once the flow of US intelligence began, Germany, Israel and Russia started passing on information about the whereabouts and intent of radical jihadist groups to the Syrian army; in return, Syria provided information about its own capabilities and intentions. There was no direct contact between the US and the Syrian military; instead, the adviser said, ‘we provided the information – including long-range analyses on Syria’s future put together by contractors or one of our war colleges – and these countries could do with it what they chose, including sharing it with Assad. We were saying to the Germans and the others: “Here’s some information that’s pretty interesting and our interest is mutual.” End of conversation.

    http://voxday.blogspot.fi/2015/12/us-military-vs-cia.html

     

    National security advisor of Trump administration bolded by me.

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  • id-entity (2015 posts)
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    2. CIA vs DIA

    Ending CIA’s control over international espionage

    The Washington Post has provided a look at DIA’s “New” Clandestine Service, “recently created” by Lieutenant General Mike Flynn.

    We are delighted with Mike’s creativity as he follows in the pattern of claiming credit for the initiative and work of others.

    General Flynn has claimed credit for creating the DOD Clandestine Service; but it did need to be revitalized, even if he wants to claim credit for “creating” it. It was originally created in 1984, while he was still a Captain – and ineligible to participate in it.

    Now, we are thrilled to death to see DIA displace CIA — again — in conducting Military Intelligence espionage! But, there are those of us who recall building this organization way back in 1984, obtaining DOD and Congressional authorizations, and full funding by 1985, and coordinating its full functions within DIA to deploy clandestine operatives world-wide.

    http://spookdblog.blogspot.fi/2012/12/cia-vs-dia.html

     

     

     

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  • id-entity (2015 posts)
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    3. Intel Wars: DIA, CIA and Flynn’s Battle to Consolidate Spying

    Intel Wars: DIA, CIA and Flynn’s Battle to Consolidate Spying

    While the National Security Agency fights for its secrecy, the Defense Department’s human spying organizations are fighting for their place in the new national security framework.

    Sequester pressure on the military intelligence budget, which totals $18.6 billion this year, and hunger from Congress for more oversight of human intelligence are complicating DIA director Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn’s efforts to — in the lingo that Washington has borrowed from the consulting world — de-conflict and consolidate.

    Flynn’s incipient Defense Clandestine Service, the military-civilian arm of the DIA that conducts espionage, continues to recruit even though congressional committees twice have threatened to reduce its funding, arguing that the Central Intelligence Agency already does the nation’s spying.

    This year’s National Defense Authorization Act conference report instructs DOD to assess whether all their human spying would be better organized by the CIA.

    http://www.defenseone.com/politics/2013/07/intel-wars-dia-cia-and-flynns-battle-consolidate-spying/66716/

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  • id-entity (2015 posts)
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    4. Michael Flynn Is Harsh Judge of C.I.A.’s Role

    WASHINGTON — Long before Lt. Gen. Michael T. Flynn became Donald J. Trump’s choice for national security adviser, he believed that the Central Intelligence Agency had become a political tool of the Obama administration — a view now echoed by the president-elect in his mocking dismissals of C.I.A. assessments that Russia sought to tip the election in Mr. Trump’s favor.

    “They’ve lost sight of who they actually work for,” Mr. Flynn said in an interview with The New York Times in October 2015. “They work for the American people. They don’t work for the president of the United States.” He added, speaking of the agency’s leadership: “Frankly, it’s become a very political organization.”

    Mr. Flynn’s assessment that the C.I.A. is a political arm of the Obama administration is not widely shared by Republicans or Democrats in Washington. But it has appeared to have been internalized by the one person who matters most right now: Mr. Trump.

    In the past few days, Mr. Trump has sought to portray reports of the agency’s assessments that Russia actively tried to interfere in the election as a desperate attempt by sore losers to taint his presidency before it begins. His denigration of C.I.A. officials as “the same people that said Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction” has opened up an extraordinary rift between the president-elect and the nation’s intelligence community that is unlikely to be bridged anytime soon.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/12/us/politics/donald-trump-cia-michael-flynn.html

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    • FanBoy (7138 posts)
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      11. cia as i understand it represents a certain slice of class interest

      dia (military) represents another slice, related to the first but not completely overlapping it

      but it’s just one segment of one-percenters trying to grab more power from another, in my book

      like trumpolini, who’s hob-nobbed with the Clintons for decades

      • id-entity (2015 posts)
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        12. Yup

        Deep State infight. Over who controls US foreign policy, no less.

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  • arendt (1157 posts)
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    5. Dude, the White Dragon Society believes in the Illuminati

    Just sayin’ that the website is way out there in CT land.

    Now, I agree that the thesis of a military/CIA war is mainstream. But, the details posted here about Assange and Manning cannot be corrobrated.

    Just sayin.

    • id-entity (2015 posts)
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      7. Yup

      I say the same in the my comment edit that I just added. Those claims cannot be corrobrated, and I sure as hell don’t know the truth. Assange having his own deep state connections and background is not a new CT, there are many versions of it, and as a whole it’s not totally unplausible either.

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      • arendt (1157 posts)
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        15. Got it. We are on the same page. n/t

    • Aerows (2704 posts)
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      8. Oh, Thank you for noting that.

      I was pretty much reiterating what we already know, not a cookball website.

      Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
  • Aerows (2704 posts)
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    6. Many things regarding the intelligence branch

    vs. the Armed Forces branches have been strained for the past 15 years.

    Unconfirmed “assets” have had their word taken before on the ground soldiers that are deployed Americans.

    Root: If we're just information, just noise in the system, we might as well be a symphony.
    • id-entity (2015 posts)
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      9. This deep state rivalry between DIA and CIA

      IMO gives plenty of context to various recent events. :)

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  • FanBoy (7138 posts)
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    10. interesting and more plausible than some explanations i've heard

  • Peace Patriot (1461 posts)
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    13. Here's my reply to a Jimmy Dore show in this topic.

    Jimmy reads a “Military Times” article which says that U.S. military cooperation with Russia and with Assad to evict the Al Q affiliates from Syria is proceeding apace quite a part from any civilian (Obama admin.) control.  They decided that the CIA was undermining the U.S. military in Afghanistan and in Syria, complained to Obama’s people, was told to do as the CIA tells them, said fuck that and are doing what they think is best.  Dore laughs at the contortionists back in DC-land who are demonizing Putin and Assad and lying their heads off, for political reasons, about what is REALLY going on in Syria.

    Here’s my reply:

     January 11, 2017 at 3:40 pm

    3. I love Jimmy Dore! He is so incredibly skilled at outing hypocrisy…

    …and I particularly love how he doesn’t do it quietly.  He is outraged by it, as we all should be.  I also love him for being a true blue “of, by and for the People” guy!

    In this instance, though, I think he should have considered that Military Times was also lying.  Also, if they are not lying, what does this tell us about what appears to be an internal war in our government and among our Overlords (our real rulers – CIA and its cabal of billionaires, banksters and war profiteers).  I’m reminded of when the U.S. military brass did not want to nuke Iran for the Bush junta, and the next thing we knew, Rumsfeld had been ousted.  I read that as a CIA/Military brass vs Neo-Con/Pentagon (Rumsfeld) internal war.  (Visible event was the Bush junta’s outing of CIA project head Valerie Plame and their entire WMD counter-proliferation team (agents and assets) worldwide.)

    Now we have what seems to be Trump/Exxon Mobil/Military brass vs CIA/Obama-Hillary/Neo-Cons.  We have the CIA yelling, with no reasonable basis, that Putin put Trump in the White House, on the one hand – which means that they are partisans of Obama/Clinton (who demanded removal of Assad – an elected president, by the way, in an election system that is at least as good as our own – better, maybe, since most Syrians support Assad; and pushed for a provocative “no-fly”zone over Syria), and, on the other hand, the Pentagon pursuing what seems to be their own world strategy, which is to ally with Russia and help them lop off parts of the many-headed hydra, Al Qaeda (a creation of the CIA), and (I’m guessing, re Exxon Mobil) already in negotiations with Russia over that pipeline through Syria.

    I don’t think it’s just a matter of lying fuckwad politicians maneuvering around the Trump presidency.  I think it is a very serious internal war. The CIA’s overt interference in an election is unprecedented. It’s as if they are trying recoup a big loss, and I can only think that they themselves were trying to rig our very riggable vote counting system for the Neo-Cons and their new pal, Hillary, and they got skunked.   My spec: Either Hillary’s Overlord sponsors, or some of them, dumped her at the last minute and failed to rig it for her, or rigged it for Trump instead, or let him win (perhaps spooked by the FBI investigations of the Clinton Foundation, which were rumbling beneath the surface the week before the GE – dumped her to get those investigations stopped), or, rigging teams on Trump’s side outrigged them.  The CIA is on the point of apoplexy, with what they are doing – it is jaw-dropping.

    It’s really the height of human idiocy to be threatening a nuclear power – to be closing in around its borders, to put a Nazi regime ON its borders, as the CIA/Obama-Clinton/Neo-Con factions has done – and to ignore the Russian peoples’ historical fear of invasion, the solid basis of that fear (invasions by Napoleon and Hitler, costing multi-millions of Russian lives), and the Russians’ arguments for legitimate interest in Crimea and Ukraine.  (The Ukrainians’, for instance, who are mostly native Russian speakers and ethnic Russians, voted FOR alliance with Russia rather than NATO.)

    I haven’t fully figured out who is on who’s side in this internal war, but I am 100% certain that there IS a war going on – not just hypocrisy and Meryl Streep-ish grandstanding (when’s she gonna announce?) (She can be the “female Ronald Reagan”!), and not just the usual agency jostling and unease with a new administration.

    https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/we-have-met-the-enemy-and-it-is-us-jimmy-dore/

     

    • id-entity (2015 posts)
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      14. Thanks

      I watched the JD segment. And thought, how strange that it takes enemy as good as ISIS to unite against, and stop fooling around with stupid games.

      Military to military relations accross nations are also interesting. People who share professional respect, even comradery, and same code of honor. A friend of mine whose deep in the CT stuff has spoken about international conspiracy of military professionals to save this from the lizard types, or what ever.

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