A crazy idea
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Since the president, house and senate seem to be working against us, why not defund THEM!
Funnel the taxpayer money normally sent to these facists directly to the states. The federal government is not on the side of we the people, why do we keep paying them?
WE DON’T NEED THEM
June 10, 2020 at 7:15 PM #325231
June 10, 2020 at 7:32 PM #325236Flobee1kenobiParticipant
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The pandemic has shown that states can govern themselves, sometimes in spite of the federal government. The governors took charge and most did, and are still doing amazing. I live on the border of Ohio and Kentucky and both governers worked with each other and made the best decisions they could given the situation. Im no fan of Dewine, and disagree with him on many issues, but I believe he is doing what is best for Ohio. The Federal Government has failed us and for the most part, governors rose to the occasion.
June 10, 2020 at 8:34 PM #325250Mr. Mickeys MomModerator
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The fabric of each State must be sown together under basic human rights.
Hell, no... I'm not giving up...
June 10, 2020 at 9:48 PM #325268
Mom, please don’t try to equate strong Strong Central Government with basic human decency and empathy and healthy self-interest. No, the source of genuine social contract and human rights is not a piece of paper. The actual history of US revolutions and writing processes of Constitutions is very interesting and remains relevant in many aspects to the contemporary social struggle. The children’s book version that the system propaganda feeds about wise and benevolent “Founding Fathers” etc., not so much. The children’s book version is for keeping white liberal class as gullible, “innocent” and obedient children.
Let’s take the case of slavery, which the white liberals tend to present as their strongest argument and justification for under “basic human rights” meaning in practice under strong central government.
Cf Article 1st of Vermont constitution (from 1777):
That all persons are born equally free and independent, and have certain natural, inherent, and unalienable rights, amongst which are the enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety; therefore no person born in this country, or brought from over sea, ought to be holden by law, to serve any person as a servant, slave or apprentice, after arriving to the age of twenty-one years, unless bound by the person’s own consent, after arriving to such age, or bound by law for the payment of debts, damages, fines, costs, or the like.
vs. 13th amendment of the Federal Constitution:
<b>Section 1.</b> Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
<b>Section 2.</b> Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.<sup id=”cite_ref-1″ class=”reference”>
Emphasis mine. Now, let’s see the result:
Vermont is currently one of four states that routinely sends its prisoners across state lines to be housed in private, for-profit institutions.
A new report on interstate prison transfers and the private prison industry has found that there are more than 10,500 state prisoners housed in facilities that are not in their state of residence.
Holly Kirby of Grassroots Leadership, a 33-year old national social justice organization, estimates in her report “Locked Up and Shipped Away” that a combined total of $320 million will be spent this year by California, Hawaii, Idaho and Vermont, to send their inmates between 450 and 3,000 miles from home.
Of the 2,121 Vermont inmates currently incarcerated, 503 are out of state.
“We don’t know exactly how much profit they make,” said Kirby, during a phone press conference held Wednesday. “These companies are multi-billion dollar companies. The specific profits from out of state prisoners we can’t know, we just know what the states are spending on these contracts.”
To put it plainly, Because of US Constitution, the originally strongly anti-slavery state is now selling it’s citizens to slavery in the Federal Slaver State of with constitutional protection and enforcement of slavery.
June 10, 2020 at 8:42 PM #325256
I agree that state level – among many others – is possible avenue for radical rebuilding of decent society. I posted a state level idea and initiative in the economics forum. The basic idea is more general and can be applied to variety of situations and contexts, here’s the details of the presentation is aimed at state level initiative and legal frame. Have a look, and if you find anything interesting, share your thoughts:
June 10, 2020 at 8:55 PM #325259jwirrParticipant
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However, we had that once. Before Medicaid, Medicare, and many other federal programs most things were run by and funded through states. One of the first changes was to food programs and everything depended on how the state valued this program. George McGovern did the studies and found that southern states for the most part funded much lower than northern states and often according to color. The program was a total rip off and did not help those who really needed it. That is why they were federalized. After that each state still administrated their own programs but there were federal guidelines making them much fairer. I will admit that it did not totally work in any of the federalized programs that were left to the states to administer but it was much better.
I like the idea you have but don’t think it will work. Instead I suggest that congress be forced to have hourly pay rather than salaries because they do not use their time for things we want. I also suggest that they be given the same medical programs as we have etc. They are laborers and should be treated like laborers. THEN look to see how they increase the wages!!
June 10, 2020 at 10:00 PM #325271
The question is primarily tactical. Whether you are (con)federalist, centralist or anarchist, the purely practical fact remains that radical and meaningful progressive changes are much easier achieve on state level than on the level of central government. The direction of revolution does not go from top to bottom. It goes bottom-up and from bottom to peer-to-peer networks.
June 11, 2020 at 4:03 AM #325372
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