A difference in the voting procedure in MO

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    • #283895
      Bernie 4 2020
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      After thinking this through, I was wondering why our procedure this year was completely different than in the past.

      You show up, They scan your photo ID (for me it was my driver license). They then ask for the party you want to print on the ballot. You have to check in on an electionic device on who you support.  Democrat, republicant, etc. The system processes my ID, party favorite, and prints a form with all the candidates on it. It appears to be a legitimate ballot. Instructions? Use the provided pen to completely fill in the box next to the name you want. Give the completed form to the exit person. You stick it in the scanner(I was told both sides are scanned). So it doesn’t matter if it’s form down or form up. The form is scanned and it disappears into a box under the scanner.

      I am a little concerned that there was no proof of my selection. On a positive note, not one (hackable)touch screen was to be seen.

      Think about how much cheaper and easier this is. 3 Laser printers, and reams of paper, and a special scanner with an enclosed attached box to keep the forms as an audit trail and a few boxes of pens. Other than not displaying my vote digitally from the scanner, the procedure is simple and works pretty good. Lines were very quick. I was in and out in under 5 minutes.

      I will be a Bernie supporter FOREVER. This whole thing with Bernie and his people oriented policies were meant to be introduced in this day and age!! Many have tried and failed in the past. Succeeding was almost impossible. It's kind of a gimme in today's corrupt 2 party system that you have to work within. Just look how things have changed in the past 8 years from Bernie's policies. It was meant to be. Wait it out. Change will come. Thank you Bernie for all you've done. You are a truly amazing person.

    • #283914
      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      Pennsylvania’s iVotronics (not able to be audited, certainly able to be hacked) is what we have here in Allegheny County.

      Piss on you, Allegheny County Executive Rich Fitzgerald!   (You’re welcomed, you scum bag.)

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

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      jwirr
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      Sounds like what we use in Minnesota. I feel better than I would with just a computer system and no paper trail. BTW we do not use the ID scanning here. Most of us just give our name which is already on your precinct record. We sign that paper before voting.

      jwirr

    • #283934
      D503
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      Just voted in MO. My county has been using these machines for several years. While there is a paper trail, the only time anyone would use it would be a close tie vote. Otherwise, I don’t know that anyone verifies the totals.

      And why the fuck do we have just one office on the ballot?? Seems an incredible waste of time and resources, much less the fact that it lessens the percentage of those voting a second and third time. My county will have a minimum of 4 elections this year. I mean, WTF?

      And another thing, the county elections guy, said we won’t be having elections here anymore because the DNC decides the nominee anyway.

      Or something like that…

      "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." - Asimov; "If you push something hard enough, it will fall over." - Fud's First Law of Opposition

    • #283971
      alcina
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      You mark a piece of paper that you then insert into a “scanner,” after which it disappears into a locked box. You receive no record of your vote.  Later, through the magic of proprietary software, some numbers are produced which are purported to represent all the little boxes that were filled in by real people. And as long as one of those numbers is sufficiently bigger than the rest, no one gets to look at those little pieces of paper to ensure that the tally is correct.

      I’m growing more cynical and bitter by the minute, but to me this seems like nothing more than a “cheaper and easier” way to get the results they want without any need for “hacking.” But as I said, I’m bitter and cynical right now.

      "The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." -Julius Nyerere, First President of Tanzania

    • #283973
      Ohio Barbarian
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      The scanners themselves are electronic, and can be easily programmed to flip a certain percentage of votes from one candidate to the other. So can the electronic machines the results are transmitted to.

      For details, I’m not good at this stuff. @incognito can you help me out here?

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

      • #284062
        incognito
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        The “scanners” have tabulators that can be preprogrammed to flip a certain percentage of votes from one candidate to another.

        The kind of evoting machine we have here in my precinct is a Touchscreen. It has the tabulator in it. After you touch “finished” , you stand there while it feeds your votes into the “proprietary tabulator” where the vote is calculated and goes to goddesses only knows WHO because you don’t get any kind of receipt. Your ID card pops out and you give that to the person working the election. ALL the voting information is contained inside the Touchscreen evoting machine. The same goes for scanners. That piece of paper may say who you voted for, but that really doesn’t mean anything. Your vote could have gone to Biden. The only way to know is if there’s a recount of the paper ballots that were fed into the scanner OR get a look at that “proprietary tabulator” to know how it was programmed.

        Reassuring, no? 😠


        @ohiobarbarian

    • #284079
      Bernie 4 2020
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      How difficult would it have been to add a monitor to what the scanner interpreted and display it back to the voter for 5 seconds. The voter could then be able to flip a switch, yes or no,  confirming the interpretation.  Just makes sense to me to confirm.

      I will be a Bernie supporter FOREVER. This whole thing with Bernie and his people oriented policies were meant to be introduced in this day and age!! Many have tried and failed in the past. Succeeding was almost impossible. It's kind of a gimme in today's corrupt 2 party system that you have to work within. Just look how things have changed in the past 8 years from Bernie's policies. It was meant to be. Wait it out. Change will come. Thank you Bernie for all you've done. You are a truly amazing person.

      • #284087
        sonofspy777
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        using Windows will expect a confirmation dialogue!

        “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
        ~Samuel Clemens

        • #284102
          alcina
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          should expect it to crash. 😉

          "The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them." -Julius Nyerere, First President of Tanzania

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