A dueling town halls upside: Media finally focuses on the wide gulf between Biden and Trump
October 17, 2020 at 4:36 PM - Views: 70 #369297sonofspy777Participant
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NBC did a terrible disservice to the public by ceding to Donald Trump’s demand to counterprogram Joe Biden’s ABC town hall on Thursday night. But the net effect on political journalism turned out to be quite positive.
The dueling town halls actually forced several top journalists to directly address the extraordinary imbalance between the two candidates and what they represent, rather than get distracted by the spectacle.
Just as I was despairing over how so many campaign stories understate the cataclysmic consequences of a second Trump term — normalizing the election, treating it like a game, framing the coverage as if there were a rational choice each way — a small step forward: Our top political reporters were faced on deadline with the obvious, extreme contrast between a deranged, blustery, power-hungry liar with no sense of decency and no plans on the one hand, and a relatively normal human being with relatively mainstream goals on the other.
And to a greater extent than I expected, that came across in the coverage.
“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
October 17, 2020 at 4:59 PM #369303HassleCatParticipant
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Almost, but not quite. It is remarkable how truly awful Trump is. Almost as remarkable as the lazy media that have given a free pass to Trump, his crooked friends, his crooked family, and the feckless party that supports him. Although Trump and Biden are engaged in similar things, the extreme extent of Trump’s excess boggles the mind. I do believe enough voters are seeing the awfulness to the point that the rather mediocre Democrat will win.
October 17, 2020 at 5:43 PM #369312jbnwParticipant
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The media is successfully hiding his corruption and record that contributed to many of the challenges the US faces, from war and police state to institutionalized racism.
October 17, 2020 at 7:16 PM #369337closeupreadyParticipant
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There was a story published recently – can’t remember where – but it gave an account of New York City in the 60’s and 70’s, how organized crime groups controlled so much of the traffic in the port and in the sanitation business. And of course there were the protection rackets which drove up the cost of living and business, something like 30%…?
Then along came reformers, and they cleaned a lot of it up. Imagine, if you will, depending on that graft as a means to live. You would not have looked kindly on efforts to clean any of it up.
There are certainly things to learn from that example.
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October 17, 2020 at 7:25 PM #369340
October 17, 2020 at 5:54 PM #369316Ohio BarbarianModerator
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Whoop-de-fucking do, Vote Blue No Matter Who. That’s all this is.
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October 17, 2020 at 6:26 PM #369327djean111Participant
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Nope. Although Biden is far away from Trump due to Biden’s almost lascivious love of killing people overseas and keeping people here in austerity.
Will not vote for either one. I don’t need “media” to be telling me the differences. I can read their records myself, thanks very much, “media”. Like I would believe “media” or take direction from their purchased little asses. “Media” fucked Bernie over. Enough of that crap.
October 17, 2020 at 7:23 PM #369339
October 17, 2020 at 7:57 PM #369348doh1304Participant
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they wouldn’t have scheduled them opposite each other, so that people could listen to both. This way it was nothing but opposing campaign rallies. I think it could be interesting that I haven’t heard the ratings, though it’s probably just that I don’t care.
October 17, 2020 at 8:47 PM #369362Jim LaneParticipant
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NBC unilaterally acceded to Trump’s request that the town halls be simultaneous. Many other media outlets criticized NBC’s decision.
Trump made a lot of money for NBC during the years of The Apprentice. I’ve seen the speculation that NBC, even more than other corporate media outlets, has a pro-Trump tilt as a result.
A less conspiratorial explanation is that all three major networks had expected to broadcast a debate then. When Trump backed out, all three had holes in their schedules that had to be filled on very short notice. ABC had the Biden town hall. Trump, by offering NBC a competing town hall, gave NBC a quick, easy, and inexpensive solution to the problem.
October 17, 2020 at 8:53 PM #369368peacecorpsParticipant
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received massive amounts of free media in 2016. Our billionaire, incumbent president playing the victim of the elites and the media is tiresome. I know his base eats it up but I am not that hungry.
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October 17, 2020 at 8:57 PM #369371Cold Mountain TrailParticipant
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reformers cleaned up the grift and graft in new york? after the 70s?
when exactly was that and why do i doubt this story?
October 17, 2020 at 9:06 PM #369377Populist ProleParticipant
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This: “I know trump loves to play the ‘media hates me’ card but he is a media creation and received massive amounts of free media in 2016. Our billionaire, incumbent president playing the victim of the elites and the media is tiresome. I know his base eats it up but I am not that hungry.”
I remember a quote from some media muckity-muck during the 2016 republican primaries said something like how he ( vis-a-vis the media ) had mixed feelings about covering Trump. He said something like covering Trump was a ratings bonanza for them but wondered if they were helping the installation of a 4th reich.
October 17, 2020 at 9:32 PM #3693863fingerbrownParticipant
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What “wide gulf” would that be Salon.com?
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