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  • #52728

    David the Gnome
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    A blow against democracy.  A blow against freedom of speech and anything we might justly call a free press.  There have been those – long considered radicals (welcome to JPR!) who have been saying for years that our media is basically already “state run”.  Much like Russia’s media is accused of being – and perhaps it is – but when the pot calls the kettle black – and no one (or almost no one) seems to note the irony, we’ve got a fucking problem, ladies and gentlemen.

    We have long expected that Julian Assange would be arrested, quite possibly even tortured and/or executed.  I do not know, as of yet, whether our government has even charged him with any kind of crime.  Some of the things he has done may be controversial – some of his actions have been, well, not those of a daring hero such as you might read of in a fairy tale.  Yet, I would like to remind everyone – and insist to those who would deny it – that there are indeed heroes among us.  Among Journalists – rare though they are, are those who tell the truth – at any cost.  Among those few we have Julian Assange.  How he gained his information, what he leaked and/or why are all secondary to this point: It was factual information.  All of it.  It changed the world and altered the internal politics of many Nations.  It revealed corruption and crime.

    For whatever accusations may be directed at Assange – I do not see that anyone can genuinely attempt to deny the above – unless they are really good liars, or really ignorant fools.

    There will be many, today and in the days to come, who will cheer for this cowardly act – this seizing of Julian Assange, who I will say (even with a certain personal dislike for him – I admire his work) is a hero.  Not just to America – but to the people of the world.  How many of us have been angry, disgusted, sad, depressed – about how little truth is told by media today?  About how little is told by politicians?  Not even just us here at JPR – but all over the Country and the world – people love to bash dishonest media.  Fair enough, I do too.  When it is honest, however, that is an entirely different matter.  It is what we say we want – what, I think, in our heart of hearts, we DO want.

    Yet today – I see a lot of deeply ignorant and outright stupid comments being made.  Calling Assange a criminal, a Russian stooge, accused of ruining the 2016 election for Hillary Clinton.  Those same people making those comments hailed and praised him as a Hero for what he let us know about Iraq, for his overall leaks of information over the years.  Then, in 2016, he became very inconvenient to them.  The release of the DNC emails – whether hacked or leaked (beside the point) demonstrated to all of us that there was widespread corruption in the Clinton campaign.  That corruption probably had something to do with her electoral defeat.  As it rightly should have.

    Did Assange have his own agenda?  Perhaps.  That is also not relevant in regards to the information that was leaked and the truth that was told.  When it is a crime to tell the truth – we are not living in a democracy, we do not have a free press.  We are not ourselves free, for we are deliberately kept ignorant, in the dark, by the elite of society, politicians and wealthy individuals and groups who very strongly prefer to keep us such.  To ignore our hungry families, the homeless, to ignore our broken system of social security, medicine, health.  To ignore our broken education system.  To ignore our crumbling infrastructure – because – by this particular status quo – they profit.  Endlessly, amazingly, in the hundreds of billions and even trillions, throughout the US and the world at large.

    Assange stepped up.  He took information they did not want anyone to know – and he let everyone know it.  This has never been about “revealing sensitive troop information” – no one has ever been able to provide evidence that a single person died or was even harmed due to the leaks.  Yet, the powers that be did everything they could to slander him.  Spying, hacking, denying him human rights, keeping him under house arrest for years, even, ultimately, removing his access to the internet, to people, to everything that, for most of us, makes life worth living.  This can reasonably be called torture.

    I cannot – and will not play nice with those who continue to call him a criminal, with those who mock and laugh at the worst kind of cruelty and injustice.  I say to them – all of them:  You are cowards.  You are liars.  You have forgotten everything you ever knew about justice.  You are not democrats.  You are not conservatives.  Due to the fact that you find this kind of cruelty amusing – I would strongly suggest that you seek psychiatric treatment as soon as possible.

    Enough is enough.  The powers that be – and their stooges, whatever their party or political preference – have just declared war.  They have declared war on what truth remains – on one’s right to tell it, to even attempt to share it.  We cannot stand idly by.  It is time to make some noise in the streets, for Julian Assange.  It is time to get angry, time to get loud.  In the US, in the UK, all over the world.

    To those who mock all that democracy truly means, who spit on justice and truth: You are broken.  You are badly, badly broken.  For not only are you laughing at cruelty, but you are contributing to it.  You are, essentially, everything you think your worst enemies to be.  You are permitting the march into fascism and laughing about it.  Should those of us who oppose you fail – you will come to regret it.  For your freedoms, too, will perish.

    I am sick at heart today, I am sad – and angry.  This is one of the final death blows against democracy and freedom, such as has ever been known.  I will not take it lying down.

    Let’s get loud, JPR.  Love to all of you who are in this with me.  Brothers and Sisters… it is time to kick some ass.

  • #52732

    Ohio Barbarian
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    Bravo! Recommended for the Daily Radical.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #52737

    game meat
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    “Those same people making those comments hailed and praised him as a Hero for what he let us know about Iraq, for his overall leaks of information over the years. Then, in 2016, he became very inconvenient to them. The release of the DNC emails – whether hacked or leaked (beside the point) demonstrated to all of us that there was widespread corruption in the Clinton campaign. That corruption probably had something to do with her electoral defeat”

    I really get irked by hypocrisy, regardless of who is doing it. I agree that this is a disappointing development. This could set a dangerous precedent for journalists who report the information they obtain from leakers. No doubt, it’s a blow to the freedom of the press.

    Assange was a hero until he revealed information I didn’t want to hear is all there is to it for those screaming for his scalp.

    The whole thing was dishonestly blown out of proportion from the start. Whether the DNC emails were leaked by a courageous truth teller working within the organization or a foreign government who did the right thing for the wrong reasons is irrelevant; the information was true, and whoever did it exposed a web of corruption that most people following along already suspected.

    It is comically ironic that this was considered an attack on democracy when it was the DNC that was intentionally trying to subvert democracy. Remember the Lawsuit? The DNC is a private organization with no obligation to play fair. That is how they describe themselves. If they are a private organization, then I care as much about them being hacked as I would if it had happened to Walmart.

    • #53152

      Enthusiast
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      I love this!

      “If they are a private organization, then I care as much about them being hacked as I would if it had happened to Walmart.”

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

      Me

  • #52738

    Pam2
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    Another rec for Daily Radical.

    @deadpool

    I don’t really understand the people who hate the messenger but not the people who have been exposed!

  • #52749

    ZimInSeattle
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    Yes, Daily Radical material for sure. Thanks David. A sad, sad, day indeed.

  • #52750

    Ohio Barbarian
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    I just looked at SV, so you don’t have to if you haven’t already. It’s a sickening celebration of Fascism over there, only they’re too stupid or hypocritical to know it. They do know it’s a celebration of revenge for the man they blame for preventing their Queen from being ensconced on the Oval Office throne.

    On the bright side, they do mention JPR a lot when wondering where all of Assange’s supporters went to. You might be getting more readers soon, David.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

  • #52753

    David the Gnome
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    @ohiobarbarian

    Oh, I went.  I saw.  I read.  I figured I pretty much had to – I wanted to know if they would truly sink to that depth.  They did.  Perhaps some few remain that will not – I would invite them all to come join us at JPR.

    So many of them see everything only through a blue lens.  It is disappointing.  It is sad.  There are great minds among them still – but as long as they remain in such ignorance – as long as they refuse to open, they will not, I think, ever find any kind of peace or fulfillment.  It is hard to do, when you are living a lie.  Us former democrats know that as well as anyone.  I am a long way (a very long way) from perfect, from a zen master, or from what some might call spiritually enlightened.  Nonetheless… I am wise enough to recognize my own flaws – and I no longer see things through a lens colored blue.  Thank the Universe I have been freed of that.

    It is almost like their minds are imprisoned.  I wish I knew how to free them.

    • #59531

      gordyfl
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      Many of them believe that the Washington Post and Daniel Ellsberg are heroes, but Julian Assange is a villain.

  • #52759

    Calico
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    My heart is bleeding for this hero. I’m in such despair at the state of everything — at the stupidity, the lies, the evil that seems to be winning. I feel so powerless.

    I hope they at least get Assange the medical/dental help he needs.

  • #52763

    David the Gnome
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    For anyone who doesn’t know – take a good look at the picture Calico posted.  That’s Julian – he is 47 years old.  47.

    • #53084

      Haikugal
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      He has aged and I was shocked when I saw the video of him being arrested BUT those are not the eyes of a victim, that is NOT the expression of a man who has given up. That is the look of determination and outrage.

      Thanks for all your good work David…it’s good to see. ❤️

      The Dirty Fucking Hippies Were Right!

      We do what we can, what we must and we hope for the best while expecting nothing.~ Me

  • #52766

    ieoeja
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    Can’t have peace without diplomacy. And he sabotaged efforts at diplomacy. He is essentially a war criminal whom anti-war people celebrate because he is an anti-establishment war criminal.

  • #52771

    David the Gnome
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    @ieoeja

    Really?  What crimes of war did he commit?  Can you name a single one?  I’ll wait.

  • #52778

    ieoeja
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    He released private, low opinions diplomats had of the people with whom they were negotiating. That makes it less likely those people would cooperate in negotiations. Which means dragging out the war longer. If you are anti-war, Assange was your opponent.

    • #52891

      incognito
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      That has got to be the biggest crock of shit I’ve ever read.

      Julian exposed war crimes our government committed. If this country has problems with “diplomacy”, it’s because we’re the freakin’ bullies of the world and the world has, frankly,  had enough of our Warmongering shit and bullying whomever refuses to do what we say.

    • #52903

      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      “He released private, low opinions diplomats had of the people with whom they were negotiating…”

      I cannot even think of what you were attempting to say here, but since you’ve not responded to others who have posed this question better than I, perhaps that was a duck and cover response. At any rate, it doesn’t explain a dog-damned thing.

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

  • #52782

    David the Gnome
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    That’s it?  That’s what you’ve got?  Of course democrats (should have said *diplomats* – but the same applies either way – also applies to republicans) and others had low opinions of those they were negotiating with.  They have low opinions of most of US.  The war was always going to drag out – that had nothing to do with Assange.  How long have US forces been in Afghanistan?  How long has this “war on terror” been waged?  You really think that, someone’s low opinion of those they negotiated with made a difference?

    Do you have any idea how much money has been spent in these last couple of decades?  Or where it has gone?  How much has gone missing?  You must, at least, recall that we were lied to about Saddam having weapons of mass destruction – and about his ties to Al Qaeda.  Perhaps you might even recall repeated human rights violations, both here and abroad.  All committed by US authorities and forces.  You think Assange is a war criminal?  Really?

    Here is a definition of war criminal:

    a person who has carried out an act during the conduct of a war that violates accepted international rules of war.
    “war criminals who orchestrated mass atrocities”

    ***

    Hmm.  Carried out an act during the conduct of a war that violates accepted international rules of war.  Tell me, what are the international rules of war regarding diplomacy – or speaking the truth of diplomats?  Lying, orchestrating fraud, that sort of thing – well, you might have a case if that were the case.  All Assange did was let the truth be known.

    I AM anti-war – and Assange has never been my opponent.  But I think you are.

  • #52784

    ieoeja
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    Hawks routinely point out that people accused of war crimes by the anti-war crowd have not technically violated an actual law. In response, the anti-war crowd routinely claim they consider “war crime” a reference to almost any act supporting war. My posts have been directed at those people, not a court of law. So I use their definition.

    No diplomacy, no peace.

    • #52794

      Maedhros
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      You proceed from a false premise, namely that Wikileaks’ publication of factual information prevented diplomatic resolution to conflicts.  Then, from this false premise, you conclude that Assange is a war criminal.

      The publication of the leaked material did not prevent diplomacy, it merely changed its complexion.  By cheering the arrest of Assange for publishing factual information, you are aiding and abetting the destruction of civil liberties.

      I can hold nothing but contempt for that position.

      His body recovered from his torment and became hale,
      but the shadow of his pain was in his heart;
      and he lived to wield his sword with left hand
      more deadly than his right had been.

    • #52800

      game meat
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      “In response, the anti-war crowd routinely claim they consider “war crime” a reference to almost any act supporting war. My posts have been directed at those people, not a court of law. So I use their definition.”

      Let me get this straight. You’ve decided Assange “prevented diplomacy”, which means he supports war, which means he is a “war criminal.” And you’ve just sort of declared all of this so.

      Words? What are those things, and what do they even mean?

  • #52788

    David the Gnome
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    In other words… you are creating this “war criminal” accusation out of thin air.

    Here is an example of an actual war criminal: https://freepalestinemovement.org/2019/04/04/how-war-criminal-elliott-abrams-orchestrated-the-2007-hamas-fateh-palestinian-civil-war/

    No doubt you will not like the link – so feel free to use any media you prefer to check out Elliot Abrams.  Or Henry Kissinger.  Also George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama.  There’s quite a list – who, if we actually DO use the actual definition of war criminal – are indeed quite indisputably guilty of actual war crimes.  They signed off on, ordered and orchestrated the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of people, the murders of others, assassinations.  The abuses of human rights – they laughed at such things.  Then we might consider our CIA and or members of our own military that tortured prisoners of war.

    But you think Assange is the war criminal.  That is utterly absurd.  Assange never had any part in any war.  All he did was tell us some of the shit that was happening during them.  Rather than being a war criminal – Assange EXPOSED war criminals – like the blackwater mercenaries.

    There are genuine crimes of war.  Acts of slaughter, rape, pillage, torture and more – that should have been prosecuted years ago.  Some few of them were.  For some, some Nazis were hanged – for others, some Nazis were invited to come live and work in the US.  It has never been the case that a Journalist telling the truth is a war criminal for telling the truth.  It is, however, very much the case, that many people are too scared or disturbed by the truth to be able to recognize it when they see it, let alone accept it.  I can understand that.

    The truth is a friend to no one.  It can be the most damned terrible thing on earth – but it is what it is.  It is not a crime to tell it.

  • #52819

    chknltl
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    Pointing out that the Emporer has no clothing on when he is indeed naked is and should be well within the freedom of a free press.

    Such a revelation should not fall under the realm of national security, it should instead fall under the realm of a democratic republic’s right to know!

    It is not like a foreign country will find a kink in our national security because the Emporer is parading about nude…

    … OTOH, the citizenry does have a right to know that their Emporer is an idiot!

    The citizenry need this information so they may choose to vote the idiot out of office!

    See how that works? It’s how things should work in our democratic republic!*

    Those who, thanks to members of a free press, plainly see the Emporer’s nakedness, are outraged by the arrest of the very press members who pointed out the nakedness in the first place.

    The arrest runs counter to the needs of the citizenry-a citizenry which needs a free press in order aid themselves in making the decisions needed to run their democratic republic.

    Apparently, instead of thanking those press members for the indisputable truthful revelation, the Emporer and his ass kissing minions attack those of us who are grateful for these press members’ truthful revelations!

    I am of also of the opinion that we should not be under attack by these patsies of the Emporer…but confess to finding myself amused by their own VERY PUBLIC nudity.

    So the battle as I see it continues-a battle between those of us who want a democratic republic VS a very naked Emporer supported by his ass kissers.

    Well that’s how it gets put together in my head at any rate.

    *(Ok-ok…yeah I know, we don’t have a democracy, we have an oligarchy.

    That said, outside of those paying attention, I am of the opinion that 90% of our citizenry operate under the illusion-the paradigm that we have a democracy.

    Should that 90% suddenly see their “nakedness” like we do, I strongly believe that they will unite in a fight to gain the very democracy that they believe we should have!)

    • #53085

      Fugitive Birdie
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      War crimes committed by the government and military are something every citizen has a right to know.

      • #53108

        Snort McDork
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        Absolutely. I sincerely hope there comes a day when Assange is pardoned for exposing the crap that our so-called leaders “behind closed doors” get involved with. As as far as journalists go, I am a product of the Edward R. Murrow School. Murrow was, and will always be a journalistic icon to me.  I hope to you to.

        Good Night and Good Luck.

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  • #52869

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    I’m going out on a limb here —  WHAT IF, Trump brings him to the US, so he can blow the whistle on all the bad guys he has info on and set him free.

    After all, the Muller report more or less untied his hands, ended the coup to take out a sitting POTUS with totally fabricated Russian Collusion BS.

    I would imagine Trump is pissed and wants some get back, know I would.

    This is an outcome I prefer, take out Clinton’s, some of the lying, paid for media and some of the so called deep state. Win-Win.

    Whatever MSM is pushing about him 24/7, I usually think the exact opposite is the truth.

    BTW I do not believe that Assange has any control over Wiki and has not for a good long time.

    • #53089

      Fugitive Birdie
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      That is a slender branch you are climbing out on.

      Lastweek Trump said he didn’t know what WikiLeaks was and then quickly corrected himself to say that he doesn’t follow WikiLeaks or that it isn’t his thing.

      This after his multitude of proclamations that he loved WikiLeaks and quotes from WikiLeaks printouts in his hand in 2016.

      I have Trump friends too. But it’s obvious that Trump has been gotten to.

      Attorney General William Barr who will likely lead the extradition and prosecution of Assange is a Bush/CIA cover up artist. So was Mueller for that case.  Trump appointed these people.

    • #53120

      Babel 17
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      What’s interesting to me is Assange’s Dead Man Switch. The Deep State doesn’t want that set off, so they might bargain with Assange, offering him a life that won’t be a nightmare. But they might need Trump for that deal to happen, and what’s in it for him? He wasn’t in office when all of Wikileaks damaging files were gathered, and he won’t lose sleep thinking that maybe Bush, Cheney, McCain, Clinton, and every other pro-Forever War supporter would get revealed for what they are. Quite the contrary. Sure, he has war mongering Republican allies, but Assange releasing his hand from the dead man switch would bring about a net gain for Trump.

      Though he would take heat because the files were released on his watch. But I think the idea of a dead man switch is pretty understandable, and it was put in place before Trump.

      But to get really real, it might not be good for us for Assange to let loose with this. There’s a reason he’s kept it held back, and it’s not mostly because he needs insurance. We don’t want riots happening over this in the hot spots of the world, or border conflicts erupting.

      So I hope Assange gets a good deal, and if somehow we get tossed some crumbs about how Clinton & Friends have broken the law on a global scale, that would be a bonus.

      https://www.tulsi2020.com/

  • #52920

    Deadpool
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    I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it.

  • #53080

    Mario
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    Well said my friend. I’m glad I left Facebook a month and a half ago. I did so shortly after Bernie announced. I had to unfriend and block so many people for being ignorant about Bernie (basically a bunch of Hillary deadenders like the ones from SV). It quickly became clear that I’d never be able to block enough of them and I would just be arguing with people constantly, so I decided to bail. Today I am REALLY glad I bailed. I bet some of the people I didn’t get around to unfriending are cheering this assault on freedom of the press and free speech because they think Assange made their beloved Queen lose. They’re such vindictive sons-of-bitches. No self-awareness whatsoever.

  • #53116

    Babel 17
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    Tucker Maddow/Rachel Carlson spoke out against the demonization of Assange, but she/he was on Fox News. I’m so confused!

    I loved Maddow when she was on Air America speaking out against the intelligence agencies getting us into war. And I loved her during her stint at MSNBC when she decried the intelligence agencies lying so as to keep us in the Cheney/Bush war(s).

    But then when Obama got elected she must have gotten canceled because I couldn’t find her voice anywhere on MSNBC, though I got fooled by a lookalike.

    She looks a lot different these days (the haircut is subtly different), and she has an odd fondness for Trump and Netanyahu, but I was relieved to hear that voice from the old Air America days back in action, albeit a few octaves lower, calling out the overreach of the deep state.

     

    https://www.tulsi2020.com/

  • #53129

    PolecatHollerer
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    The last time anyone got this far out of line, the US government flew my grandpa to Europe along with about a million of his classmates…they kicked him out of a moving airplane with little more than a rifle and a mandate to end some evil nonsense.

    It’s not gonna work that way this time.

    It’s hard for me to get my head around the shit that’s going down these days, David…it really is. I am greatly appreciative of your writing here at JPR- your posts are frequently the voice of my feelings.

    If you give a man enough rope, it will be six inches too short. This is not the nature of rope- it is the nature of man.

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