"A Mask Is Not A Political Statement. It's An IQ Test."

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    • #329922
      ZimInSeattle
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      The epidemic trend in the United States is grim:


      Source: 91-divocbigger

      The graphic does not yet include yesterday’s number of new cases. It was the highest ever.

      U.S. hits highest single day of new coronavirus cases with more than 45,500, breaking April recordNBC News

      Houston has a problem:

      Texas Children’s Hospital now admitting adult patients due to COVID-19 spike in HoustonHouston Chronicle
      Texas Medical Center ICUs at 97 percent capacity due to COVID-19Houston Culturemap

      Testing is still a mess:

      Weijia Jiang @weijia – 13:34 UTC · Jun 23, 2020

      Just now I asked the President if he was kidding when he said he told his people to slow down testing, which is how White House officials explained the comment.
      He said, “I don’t kid.”
      He also said again testing is a double-edged sword, and praised the job the U.S. has done.

      Arizona ‘Overwhelmed’ With Demand for Tests as U.S. System Shows StrainNY Times

      People seeking drive-up coronavirus tests in Phoenix faced a three-mile-long car line last weekend. On Friday, Arizona’s largest laboratory received twice as many samples as it could process. The phone line for testing appointments at a large site on the state fairgrounds now opens at 7 a.m. with 800 callers already in the queue.

      By 7:07 a.m., all 1,000 appointments for the day are typically taken.

      More: https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/06/a-mask-is-not-a-political-statement-its-an-iq-test.html

      "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK #SurviveAndRevolt

    • #329928
      incognito
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      And one that didn’t need to happen.

      Shit’s getting real.

      I received an email today from Schwan’s, which delivers frozen foods. I have used them before so I’m on their email list. One of their drivers, in my delivery area, has tested positive for COVID-19. He lives in the village next door… 1/2 mile away. Thankfully, they’re smart enough to stop all deliveries in the area and the guy is in quarantine. Thank the Goddesses I haven’t used their service for a long time.

      I know they implemented touchless deliveries when Covid-19 started, so hopefully he didn’t Infect any of the customers.

      I’m in Illinois which is still pretty much quarantined. And even if it had fully reopened, I would still be quarantined… until this crap is over. And it won’t be over for YEARS now because of all the fucking knuckledraggers refusing to wear masks and practice social Distancing.

      This is going to only get worse.

      • #329986
        ZimInSeattle
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        about wearing masks. They seem to think our governor, Inslee, is just pulling these decisions out of his ass. Today the law goes into effect in Washington that masks are to be worn in public. Thinking this only applies where people will congregate. I’ve seen a study that shows people aren’t going out because having to wear masks, but because they are afraid of the virus. You are right, @incognito, this isn’t going away anytime soon. Not until there’s a vaccine widely distributed.

        "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK #SurviveAndRevolt

    • #330009
      jerry611
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      Well, here’s the problem.

      First off, understand that masks aren’t going to stop the spread. Every doctor will tell you that masks are no substitute for social distancing. They only help limit the transmission. Masks are not a shield or miracle cure. Especially these bandanna masks you can practically see through. If an infected person sneezes, I guarantee it’s getting through some of that.

      Second, the advice is extremely variable and always changing. People can’t keep up with it. At the start of the pandemic, everyone said not to use face coverings. They claim it’s useless. Then 6 weeks later, the CDC says they recommend it. Then the President said, “it’s voluntary.” But immediately Democratic leaders put in place mandatory orders. So now you have a major political divide on the topic. Republicans want to follow their president and have mask wearing voluntary, while Democrats put in their own rules. And so you got two sides now fighting each other with it. Then it took the WHO another 2 months before saying, “OK, yeah they probably help some.” Then the advice has no standards. Some leaders and doctors say you need to wear a mask whenever you walk outside. Others are saying you only need it if you are inside buildings and can’t socially distance. No one can agree on anything!

      Third, enforcement is sporadic at best. Some cities are relying on businesses to enforce. Others want police to enforce it. But now some police say they they are not going to because they don’t have the manpower. Some sheriffs think it’s unconstitutional.

      The whole mask issue was royally f**** up right from the very beginning.

    • #330015
      David the Gnome
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      @jerry611

      Consider it in the wider context of history though.  Take the 1918 pandemic – mask wearing would almost certainly have reduced the number of infected and dead.  Generally speaking, there are no guarantees, but masks help… if people wear them.  Should it be voluntary or mandatory?  Well, here is the thing: without some kind of economic protection passed for most (if not all) Americans, then millions simply don’t have a choice.  For example, your average fast food place, grocery store, big chain store, what have you.  So, really, without some kind of safety net… the point is moot.  It won’t happen, not everyone is going to wear one willingly – and every cop and even military member in the damn Country wouldn’t be enough to enforce all of it.

      My personal opinion is that we should wear the god damn things, because they are better than nothing – and more likely to prevent the spread of the disease from you to another.  Still, it matters that we wear them properly, that we can breathe in them and so on and so forth.  I see so many people who might benefit from a simple “how to” video or article… or, might not – as they know how to wear them and just don’t fucking care.  I tons of people in public places (I have to drive my fiance to and from work a couple times a day) not wearing masks – and that is in a tiny ass town in Northern Maine.  Doing it for a city?  A lot harder.

      Perhaps if stores and so on banned anyone not wearing one… some states are saying that they are “mandatory” now – but what do you do with someone who refuses to wear one?  Fine them?  Yeah – that’s not going to stop it.  Arrest them?  Unlikely – too much paperwork – and anything beyond that is entering territory that most of the population simply won’t venture into.

      So, given the proven science (and I know there have been mixed messages – but look to China and to epidemics of the past) I believe it benefits us all if everyone who can wear one, wears one.  Yet as time goes by, I see it becoming less common, rather than more – at least up here.  So… yeah, I expect the virus to eventually rage here, too.

    • #330017
      Hobbit709
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      in the same way that Low Water Crossings are IQ Tests here in TX.

      And every good rain some fool will try to drive through one.

      I don't waste my time teaching pigs to sing.

    • #330029
      retired liberal
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      Masks contain the virus in your breath, to your immediate vicinity. Without a mask, anyone with in about 3 feet is exposed to whatever you exhale. That stays in the air for several minutes, as it slowly drifts to the ground. You exhale and walk away, someone one else can walk through what you just exhaled.
      With a mask, that stuff gets contained in and close to the mask, drastic lowering what is exhaled into the air.
      Also masks DO help protect the wearer. Depending on the mask, home made or other, the protection can be as high as 80 to 85%. Even 40 to 50% is better than nothing. 30% is better than nothing.
      This pandemic is as bad as it is because not enough people are wearing masks and the total incompetence of the federal government and the Republicans running the various states.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.

      • #330071
        ZimInSeattle
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        I posted this about 3 months ago: https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/the-science-says-maskup-a-look-at-two-new-virus-studies/

        From MoA:

        The graphic (here cut off for only corona viruses) shows how masks can keep away your droplets from the people you meet and talk to.


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        If the carrier of a virus wears a mask the spreading of viruses due to speaking, coughing or even breathing goes basically down to zero.

         

        "Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime" - Aristotle "The more I see of the moneyed peoples, the more I understand the guillotine" - George Bernard Shaw "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable" - JFK #SurviveAndRevolt

      • #330121
        Gryneos
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        It’s worth watching, even if you know this stuff already 🙂

        Who are you? | What do you want? | Why are you here? | Where are you going? | Do you have anything worth living for? | Who do you serve and who do you trust?

        • #330154
          Yanath
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          @gryneos

          I was very disappointed in Dore for that.

          If there is in fact, colloidal suspension of the virus, as one poster upthread claims (which has been disputed by actual scientists, as opposed to anonymous posers online) then no mask is going to do you any good whatsoever. In fact, the N95 has no more than 70% efficacy, and then only if it is properly fitted, which it most certainly will not be, by the general public. Bandanas, t-shirts and cloth masks don’t do shit.

          Quite frankly, I don’t believe any of the screeching perpetuators of establishment propaganda here, actually wear them.  I have to wear one for 9 or 10 hours every day, seven days a week, and they sound utterly clueless to me.

          • #330158
            Gryneos
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            I thought Dore did a good job researching it and showing the video of how vapor issues forth from a protected and unprotected mouth. If you have links to dispute the points, please post them.


            @yanath

             

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            • #330202
              Yanath
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              @gryneos

              All of the research ever done on mask-wearing by the general public, says the same thing as the box they come in:

              Warning: This product is not a respirator and will not provide any protection against covid-19 or other viruses and contaminants.

          • #330173
            retired liberal
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            Bandanas, t-shirts and cloth masks do work. They contain whatever you exhale. Not as well as a good mask does, then they are better than nothing.
            If more people wore masks in public, we would see a significant reduction in new cases.

            We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
            If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
            Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
            Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.

            • #330204
              Yanath
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              @retiredliberal

              It dosen’t matter what it’s called, only how it actually performs.

              • #330240
                not4sale
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                They need “links”, LOL.  Don’t wear a mask GOPukes, especially in states where cases are increasing 10,000 a day.  Don’t let the “leebrawl” media take away “yer freedums”. You’re “naturally immune” GOPukes, don’t be fooled by “the deep state”, those “commie socialist marxist traitor scum animals” are “gunna take yer guns” and tear down all your “glorious monuments to slavery”!

                GOPukes need “links”, LMFAO!

          • #330262
            Ohio Barbarian
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            I don’t have to wear a mask in my own office, but I do to go into the mostly empty halls of my office building. I prefer the face shields myself; they don’t make me feel like my oxygen flow has been constricted or that I’m breathing in bacteria that I’ve just exhaled.

            Masks do limit how many little particles of mostly water one inhales or exhales, but only a true respirator is going to keep out something as small as an airborne virus most of the time.

            Anyway, my family’s all had the thing and gotten over it, and so has nearly everyone else in this area who has had a lot of public contact. After the George Floyd protests began, most people quit wearing masks nearly as much. They have bigger fish to fry, you see. Compared to scrambling to find another job, adjusting the household budget due to decreased disposable income, and the specter of homelessness in the next few months so many tens of millions of Americans are staring in the face right now, the entire Covid-19 pandemic fades into relative insignificance. It poses no more risk than driving to work, not having access to health care for many other afflictions, or being pulled over by a jackbooted thug with a badge.

            It’s easy to be sanctimonious about how much one cares for one’s fellow human beings by going out only in a mask when one is not required to go out in the first place, and for many people on the internet, introverts who seldom leave their homes whether there’s a pandemic or not in the second. @yanath

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      • #330125
        incognito
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        and when the government came out to tell us not to wear them because they won’t help, I immediately bought reusable masks for me, my son and pregnant DIL.

        The government’s reasoning made absolutely no sense to me. If people can walk around for 2 weeks spreading the virus to everyone they come in contact with, why the hell should we not wear masks???? I knew they were lying. They wanted all masks for Healthcare providers and didn’t care how many citizens died. Fuck that. I saw right through their lies.

        I would never go out in public without a mask and gloves. Not until this is over and people have been tested and vaccinated.

        The GOP are a bunch of psychotic murderers.

    • #330051
      not4sale
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      Lying GOPuke dumbasses still deny that 6 months into the pandemic.  At this point Americans need to look at the motives of the Rs for “reopening” when they all knew 1000s would die.  It’s premeditated murder because they all knew 1000s would die and did it anyway, on purpose, with murderers like Dan Patrick from TX saying “there are more important things than living”.

    • #330214
      chknltl
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      Also, there is a rudimentary screening before one even gets to park one’s car. The screening is a set of questions asked by a nurse, face shielded, gowned, masked and wearing disposable latex gloves who comes up to your window.

      If I recall some of the questions: Have you been around anyone who tested positive or is quarantined for  possible exposure to Covid-19.

      They also want to know if we have recently lost our sense of taste or smell, had fever or headaches and sniffles or any flu like symptoms.

      While my answers were all no and I already had a mask on, I know that a yes answer from me would have sent me to the next tent where I would have been immediately tested.

      I was given a visitor wristband and allowed to continue to the parking lot.

      Masks btw, were provided to those who did not have them.

      I hear that hospitals are breeding grounds for diseases and infections because that is what many patients come in there with.

      That said, I felt pretty darned safe at the VA Medical Center at American Lake in Washington. They are taking the Covid19 outbreak very seriously.

      No, the Veterans Hospitals are not reacting politically. They did not ask me who I supported or my political views. Their goal is to do their part to slow the Covid-19 bug down and to protect us Vets as best they can.

       

    • #330219
      peacecorps
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      If that is the case, I do not want to pass it on to anyone else who may not be so lucky and suffer greatly or even die. We ‘mask up’ every time we go out.

      We actually just had a test done a couple of days ago and are supposed to get the results on Monday.

      They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.

      National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.

      • #330224
        Yanath
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        @peacecorps

        When propaganda isn’t supported by facts, coercive pressures for compliance are intensified by couching it as a moral issue. Too bad most Americans have never learned to think critically.

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