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  • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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    A political conversation with my auto mechanic.

    I am fortunate enough to have both Thanksgiving Day and the Friday after off with pay. This year, I took Monday off as a vacation day for five glorious days in a row away from the office, and took my car into my local mechanic for an oil change and general check up for any future mechanical needs. There is one–a tie rod is loose, but it can go on for awhile until I have the $150 to spend on the part, labor, and necessary alignment.

    Anyway, it was just me and one of the co-owners of this garage that’s been in business since the 1970’s and has a real good local word of mouth reputation for honesty and savings. This guy’s a white guy, 60’s, with a middle-aged girth about the size of mine and a black beard shot through with white streaks. White small business owner in a suburb. Conventional wisdom says he’d be a Trump supporter. CW is often dead wrong.

    We mentioned our similar ages, and he asked me how things were going with my huge car payment. I told him I filed Chapter 13 bankruptcy in order to keep the car and lower the payments, and that it had worked out well. He related that he and his wife had both had to have gall bladder surgery last year and had $60K in medical bills, so they did the same thing. “Why not?,” he said, “Our president has done it what, 6 or 7 times?”

    I laughed and said that maybe the best thing about Trump is that he and the majority in Congress are so incompetent they have trouble getting anything done. That did it.

    This 60 year old career auto mechanic and small business owner proceeded to go on a well-informed tirade about the Republican tax plans and how they would hurt people like him. He said he nets between 35 and 45 thousand a year, depending on business, and their assault on middle class deductions and changing the tax rate would actually increase his taxes while lowering those on millionaires.

    He talked about his grown kids, their crushing student loan debts, and how nobody knows how his grandkids can afford to go to college. He talked about the outrageous cost of health care, and how if any business owner couldn’t afford to pay an employee a living wage, well then he either shouldn’t be in business or should do the work himself. He talked about spending gazillions overseas to fight wars against people who probably wouldn’t bother us if we didn’t mess with them.

    Then he said, “And when you watch the talking heads on TV, they just don’t understand why Bernie Sanders is the most popular politician in America. Well, what the hell do they expect? He’s the only one talking about fixing any of this stuff! My whole family will vote for him if he runs again!”

    Feeling the Bern. It’s not just for millennials anymore.

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    • Pam (1342 posts)
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      1. I found out a few months ago..

      ..my mechanic was a Berner too. (I think he’s in his 40s).

       

    • Abelenkpe (498 posts)
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      2. Love this!

      Would love to see Bernie as our president. Actually, we need 100’s of like minded representatives in congress. :)

    • HassleCat (1682 posts)
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      3. Your mechanic does not exist.

      The DNC has the data to prove he’s just a figment. Data trumps reality.

      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        4. Wow, either I'm smoking some really strong stuff that makes me hallucinate

        without even noticing it, even after not smoking any in the morning, or the DNC’s data is flawed. Think I’ll stick with Occam’s Razor on that one.  

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
      • Mnpaul (1564 posts)
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        5. I'm a mechanic

        but I’m not working as one now. The DNC hates people that actually get their hands dirty at work(why they lose).

        If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything - Hamilton
        • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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          7. Yes, they are comfortable, elitist bastards who have forgotten their roots.

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
          • Mnpaul (1564 posts)
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            8. Forgotten the party's roots

            Most politicians are spoiled rich kids who never did an honest day of work in their life.

            If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything - Hamilton
            • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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              11. You are right. I stand corrected.

              Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
      • Punxsutawney (1787 posts)
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        10. No doubt the same data

        That had Clinton winning the election. And getting lots of suburban Republican voters to cross over and vote Democrat in 2016.

        Yeah, that data.       

        To neoliberals, everyone and everything are disposable. -  Chris Hedges  “The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness" - J.K. Galbraith
        • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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          16. Yeah. THAT data. It worked so WELL.

          :sarcasm:

          Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • Marym625 (27221 posts)
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      6. On The Daily Radical

      Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        13. Thanks! The right is great at using anecdotal evidence, like saying some emigre

        from from Sweden said their social system just totally sucked and that’s why they moved here, instead of anecdotal evidence from Swedes in Sweden themselves.

        I hear the stories of people here who live in Republican-dominated parts of the country, and am saddened to see that not much has changed since I left those parts in the 1980’s.

        Regardless, we on the left can use anecdotal evidence even better than those on the right, because most Americans truly agree with us on most major issues, especially standard of living issues and doing what we can to save our posterity from our own foolishness. This really happened this morning, and I didn’t initiate it today, though I’m sure I had made my political stance on some particulars clear on previous visits.

        When I left, in spite of me being a county worker and not a skilled tradesman and business owner, he told me that we were pretty much the same, like he’d just realized it. Or maybe because I just realized it in my gut, so to speak. If that makes any sense.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • Marym625 (27221 posts)
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          24. We must push for progressive candidates and legislation

          And start letting go of the bullshit. Not saying we shouldn’t debunk it. Just never make it bigger than what we must do

          Take Action #StopFCC https://www.battleforthenet.com/breaktheinternet/ "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
    • ThouArtThat (5781 posts)
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      9. Great Story – Thank You For Sharing – Always Best Not To Pre-Judge

      eom

      "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        15. Especially through the lens of M$M political definitions. The way they

        divide society largely ignores real socioeconomic class boundaries.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • Enthusiast (10636 posts)
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      12. As I said…..

      Yay, Bernie!

      Even Republicans and independents like him. Only the DNC doesn’t like Bernie.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        14. And so does much of the presumed rightwing "white working class."

        There is no doubt that Bernie would have carried West Virginia over Trump. That’s one thing all of the polls were consistent on, and it was by a double-digit margin. Last November, most West Virginians really liked Bernie and despised Hillary because she was a fucking Clinton. Trump was this reality TV guy, but who knew what he might really do? They already knew Hillary would screw them hard again.

        NAFTA. The Clinton Legacy lives on.

        If that attitude is prevalent in West Virginia, as I believe it is, it is hardly surprising to see it in inner-ring very racially mixed suburbs of large cities, where it is simply a requirement to get along with a diverse group of people. It’s…socially expected in some places. One who doesn’t is considered a rude person who can be shunned.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • ThouArtThat (5781 posts)
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          17. NAFTA – That Giant Sucking Sound – Ross Perot Was Right

          eom

          "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
        • Enthusiast (10636 posts)
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          22. Right on, Ohio Barbarian.

          "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
    • Eleanors38 (639 posts)
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      18. Noting another PBS goulash from MSM this weekend….

      Where the only mention of Sanders (by his last name) was as one of several potential presidential candidates over 70 yoa. The rest of the commentary was about leadership problems and potentials in both of the Parties, Inc.

      The PBS goulash last week failed to mention Sanders at all when assessing the meaning of the VA and NJ wins.

      I noted in Depleted Uranium a few years back that any Demo reform, or creation of a new movement/party must be accompanied by the creation of a powerful media network as the current MSM will be hostile to any variation in the establishment and its values.

      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        19. Then the MSM must be bypassed. We do what we must do.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • HIP56948 (3087 posts)
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      20. Damn, I love stuff like this. Wonderful post plus reinforces the ol'…

      “Judging people by first impressions does not define who they are, it defines who you are.”  

    • closeupready (1879 posts)
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      21. Yesterday, someone posted a "Why Did Trump Win?", a Fareed Zakaria segment

      examining more honestly than anyone else how we got to a political place in the US where a game show host came to win the presidency.  It’s in Multimedia, if anyone is interested.

      But more generally, as I watched segments from Trump’s rallies, it brought back the excitement to me, seeing someone passionately defend working families – yes, he’s a disgusting person otherwise, but a genius at putting on a show.

      When she was asked how she intended to make college more affordable, what did Hillary offer?  A boring, policy-wonkish, pro-corporate tax credit.  Rolling eyes for freaking ever at that one.  Same #$@# she offered as a solution to just about everything and anything – Got a problem?  Throw some money around at corporations.  Bribe them to do the right thing.  Which never works that way – they take the money and disappear.

      Trump’s idea?  No matter what it is, he got excited, waved his arms around, talked about beating someone up, how “they” all HATE workers, hate YOU, and “I am going to be their boogeyman, let me tell you, folks!”  Etc.

      Bernie $27 Sanders and Donald (“I’m prepared to spend $100M of my own money if I have to”) Trump both recognized that, over the last few decades, the bribery that has gone on between Big Donors and members of the DNC is a practice that in many ways has helped destroy the trust between Democrats and voters, particularly their core voters like unions, but also just regular blue collar working people, and minorities.

      Thanks for the OP, really good one, Ohio.  :hi:

      The opinions and views expressed herein are solely those of the author.
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        23. Thank you, and a good description of what happened. Trump was an unknown as

        far as politicians went, and that was part of his appeal: he had never been a politician. Or, to channel a Gerald Ford commercial that seriously backfired on him in Texas back in 1976:

        With President Ford, you know what you are getting. 

        A lot of Texans saw that, and thought, “you’re right,” and voted for Jimmy Carter.

        With Trump, you really didn’t know what you were getting, certainly not in comparison to Hillary. Not for sure. Hillary was simply unacceptable to too many voters last year because of who she was and of her well-known track record.

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • Art from Ark (3145 posts)
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          25. Actually, Trump was briefly a not-so-successful politician

          He actually ran for President in the 2000 Reform Party primary, and won a couple of states, but he dropped out before the primary season had ended.

          The last time America was run like a business, we ended up with a Great Depression.
          • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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            30. Trump had never been elected to any political office before. His abortive Reform

            Party run does not count for me.

            Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
    • Fordfairlanestl (1213 posts)
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      26. It’s not just for millennials anymore?

      I’m 63. I was Berned in 2015, just before he announced he was running. And Berned, I was. I was overcome by this feeling I’ve never felt before. And the song below was one of the first that gave me that feeling. Over and over again. I desperately want to be Berned again.

       

      On edit: Here’s another one.

       

      There is no one like Bernie Sanders. NO ONE!!! The cause is right!!  The time is NOW!!! Note: I ONLY vote for grass root progressive politicians that support: "Single Payer", "Tuition Free College", "15 bucks an hour". That is all.....
      • chknltl (400 posts)
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        27. I was Berned the first time i heard Brunch with Bernie.

        That was on The Thom Hartmann Show years before he ran. I recall wishing even then that our politicians should listen to THIS MAN….or better yet how incredible it would be for our planet if there was a humble POTUS named Bernie.

        Btw, i am 63 too. The hard part about getting here is those lost along the way…the even harder part is looking at young couples who want to have children without feeling an overwelming sadness for them.

        • Fordfairlanestl (1213 posts)
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          28. It really is

          all about the kids and grand kids. Did you see the debate last night? Cruz and his cohort were all about making money and fuck the people. Not one word in defense that the upper echelon will benefit the most. It was sickening. There defense for the tax plan was slamming the ACA, which really has nothing to do with the tax plan.

          There is no one like Bernie Sanders. NO ONE!!! The cause is right!!  The time is NOW!!! Note: I ONLY vote for grass root progressive politicians that support: "Single Payer", "Tuition Free College", "15 bucks an hour". That is all.....
      • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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        29. I try to indulge in a little poetic or sloganary license, and you come along and

        stomp on me.  Great videos.  

        Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.   
        • Fordfairlanestl (1213 posts)
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          31. My intention

          was never to stomp on anyone. Sorry if I did.

          There is no one like Bernie Sanders. NO ONE!!! The cause is right!!  The time is NOW!!! Note: I ONLY vote for grass root progressive politicians that support: "Single Payer", "Tuition Free College", "15 bucks an hour". That is all.....
          • Ohio Barbarian (5725 posts)
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            32. I was kidding.

            Ignorance is the foundation of tyranny.