A solution to the “re-open schools” debate.

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    • #335762
      David the Gnome
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      I don’t need twenty paragraphs for this one.  Over seventy thousand new cases yesterday – and they want all of those who work in public schools – and all of the children who attend them – to return.  Guess what the result of that is, in the current circumstances?  A god damn nightmare.  Further overwhelmed hospitals, who knows how many more deaths – or how many kids will get that unusual illness associated with the virus.  Solution?  Give the parents and teachers a monthly income so that no one is forced to return to public – and do not try to force them to return.  Keep as many people as possible at home until the numbers are better, until there is more control.  Will it happen?  I doubt it.  In fact, I’d bet my whole 783 dollars a month from SSI (that, BTW, it took me two years of being flat broke, mountains of paperwork, medical appointments and a lawyer to get) that it won’t.  Too expensive, see, the rich don’t want to pay for it.

      So, I hate to say it – but the obvious solution will be ignored.  The politicians will bicker about band aids and very temporary fixes while the virus rages throughout the Country.  States and districts will be left on their own to make the decision.  So, lacking a miracle of some sort… we are headed towards deeper shit.  I am sorry.  I voted for Bernie.

    • #335764
      David the Gnome
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      “Introduction to obvious 100”

      I don’t understand why so many do not see that.  Let me be very clear: they know what to do.  They are not doing it.  Many more will suffer and die as a result.  It is as simple as that.

    • #335769
      GZeusH
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      They don’t understand because they are being paid not to understand.   The shutdown was a hiccup in the capitalist money printing machine and those on the receiving end of all that money are damned if they will let such a shutdown happen again.  Get out there and spend, Bezos’ net worth isn’t going to hit 200 billion by you sitting on your ass.

    • #335771
      David the Gnome
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      If even someone like me gets it… It is more than obvious to them.  All about the money – but damn, do they want mass chaos?  I can’t imagine they will profit much through that.  Perhaps I am wrong.

      I know it wont happen – and it is the knowledge that they know it should – and do nothing, that makes me confused.  This kind of shit can really break empires.  If profit is the motive – they will get more if our society continues to function, won’t they?

    • #335784
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @davidthegnome How efficient of them! Nick Brana said on Jimmy Dore that there could easily be 23 million evictions by the end of September if there is no UBI and no rent relief. We already know that over 30 million people did not pay their rent or mortgage in June, because they couldn’t. And the national eviction moratorium ends in exactly two weeks, on July 25.

      And Congress is on vacation. They think a real revolution can’t happen here. Just like Ayn Rand’s Russian did about Russia in 1917 and most French people thought about France in 1788. America has never seen anything like what is coming in the very near future.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #335790
      Two way street
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      <h2 class=”user-nicename”>@ohiobarbarian</h2>
      The First Amendment gives Americans the right to assemble into a peaceful and well disciplined Protest.

      The Second Amendment gives those well disciplined, assembled Americans, the right to protect themselves through a well regulated militia that is armed.

      2020 Campaign Season: We the People are in the fight for our lives and livelihoods.

    • #335803
      David the Gnome
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      @ohiobarbarian

      What will they do then?  Call on the military that isn’t here?  Bring them home to contain the situation?  Start telling cops and national guard to “shoot the rioters”?

    • #335817
      ThouArtThat
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      @davidthegnome

      Hi david,

      American history provides the answer.  It’s called Kent State.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

      “The beatings will continue until morale improves.”

      TAT

      PS – The disconnect between reality and action all begins to make sense when one realizes the 1% does not share the same values.  In other words what you or I might value is not the same as the 1% value.  From a 1% perspective it is more important to keep an economy grinding along than any ethics related to morality or mortality of the 99%.  The 1% only see the 99% as their source of grift.  Without an economy grinding along, there can be no grift and without grift there can be no 1%.

      As Michael Dowd points in his latest sermon, one day soon it won’t matter as the collective systems we know as society finally fail through climate change and resource depletion.  Until then, the 1% will grind the economy forward until they no longer can.  Pretty simple to understand.

      Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges.
      That's all we've ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges.

      - George Carlin

      Sooner or later we all sit down to a banquet of consequences.

      - Robert Louis Stevenson

      Politics is the entertainment division of the Military Industrial Complex.

      - Frank Zappa

    • #335933
      Red Cloud
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      The omens are bad, Many people must be sacrificed. That is what Trump is doing: sacrificing people. They do not just die. There is a weak executive response to the pandemic. It is deliberate. He wants them dead. He does not lament their passing.

      And those of us who have had children know in the first week at school our kids bring home a cocktail of viruses, etc.

    • #335940
      Fasttense
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      Trump paid good money to have China create and release that virus. It is no coincidence that the virus started right after Trump stopped funding to the lab. The release in China was to divert attention.

      The virus was purposely developed and released for Trump and his filthy rich pals. It’s how they are going to survive the coming global warming catsatrophies. By reducing the population to lower numbers leaving more for themselves.

      He is really enjoying all the fear, pain, suffering and death. His goal is 1 million Americans dead.

    • #335959
      incognito
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      It would be over my dead body my child would go back to school during this raging pandemic. Not a chance in hell.

      How about Barron Trump goes FIRST… TO A PUBLIC School, not some elite private school or home tutors.

      Parents had better stand up to this or they will regret it. If their children don’t get sick, they will or other family members will. Guaranteed. They need to JUST SAY NO.

      This virus is spreading EVERYWHERE. Mostly because of really, really, REALLY stupid people.

      I received an email from my Homeowners Assoc. yesterday about fucking POOL RULES DURING COVID-19!!!! #$&_@#$

      That was the subject line of the email. They’re so fucking stupid, they opened our pool in the middle of a pandemic!

      I was informed that one of the homeowners took a guest out to the pool and that guest has tested positive for COVID-19! And they’re still leaving the damn pool open and leaving sanitizer and a thermometer out there and trusting everyone to use them before entering the pool. Fucking idiots.

      So, COVID-19 is on my doorstep. The pool is about 20 ft. away from my home. Thankfully, I haven’t been out there in 25 years, so I KNOW I haven’t been infected from that or neighbors I avoid like the plague (how fitting that phrase is now, eh?) , but it’s too close to home now.

      Now I’m just hoping I don’t have COVID-19 because I was informed by my son that I was required to get a new TDaP vaccination if I want to meet my new grandson due next month. 😠 I had to go into my local OSCO pharmacy to get it. It’s the first store I’ve gone ino since March. I have been sooooo careful not to be around any people so I could be certain that, come August, I would have zero chance of having COVID-19. Now, one month before he’s born, I have to worry about whether anyone in that pharmacy infected me. I am not a happy camper. 🤬

    • #335969
      David the Gnome
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      On CNN and such say that we need to re-open schools for the social needs of children.  More practical people who aren’t paid to give dubious advice are asking: what if they get the virus and bring it home?

      My opinion on the matter is pretty clear – I doubt it is an opinion shared by many politicians though.  Or by the “experts”.  Their kids will go to private schools where it is much easier to carefully control the situation.  Public schools though?  Nope.  They WILL get it and bring it home.

      Some will get very ill, some will die – and there is no way to say how many.

      They “re opened” most of the Country before it was ready.  We all know the results.  Now they are going to (when the fuckers return to work on… The 17th?  The 20th?) debate again on another stimulus… A few months before an election.

      If they want to avoid mass chaos, they had better pass a bill that gives more than a one time 1200, maybe, if your income is low enough.  Or, maybe, if you aren’t restricted by other things, if the banks don’t seize the funds for this and that.

      But… I don’t see it happening.  The wealthy don’t give a damn – and this isn’t going to change that.  Their yachts and bunkers are stocked up and ready.  We peasants will have to decide on what to do and how to survive.

      Many will not.  I do think though, that at this rate the politicians and the wealthy are going to end with torches and pitchforks at their gated communities and mansions.

    • #335971
      Ohio Barbarian
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      The regular armed forces just aren’t going to fire on their own. The National Guard is more likely to, but less likely than the cops.

      To tell you the truth, I’m scared. If 25% of New Yorkers haven’t paid their rent since March, then the number in the Cleveland area must be similar. If they start evicting all those people over the next couple of months, I don’t know what’s going to happen for sure but it’s going to be Very Bad.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #335974
      Ohio Barbarian
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      @incognito I’m an essential worker, you see. I get to meet the public five days a week. It’s my job, and I can’t quit and keep a roof over my family’s head, so I do it, even though my pay has been cut by 5% through April because corruption.

      Fortunately, I seem to have already had the thing and my T-cells appear to be functioning–I’ve been fine since March.

      Wear a mask in public. It’s all you can do. Handwashing doesn’t do much since the virus is now known to be almost completely airborne. Get some vitamins with calcium, magnesium and zinc in them because they all help your immune system and make sure you get lots of Vitamin C.

      And relax. There’s far worse things out there than the Covid. Like police threatening to pull a gun on you. I had that happen today. Fun, fun.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #335980
      David the Gnome
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      @ohiobarbarian

      I’d think you were crazy if you weren’t at least a little scared.  Fear is nothing to be ashamed of – it is whether we act in spite of it.  You do – as far as i am concerned, that is more than enough courage.

      I have a brain that gives me terrible anxiety attacks – and in the last ten years it has affected my body as well.  Some times I go to lay down to sleep – and my heart starts pounding, my breathing gets more rapid, pins and needles in my arms and legs.  Then my body starts to shake.

      If someone pointed a gun at me during one of the more severe attacks, there would be nothing I could do to even comply with anything they were telling me to.  That is scary – but every day life for me, is the knowledge that one could hit at any time.  Fear…. adrenaline, we do not truly have full control over them.  Just have to do what we can with what we have.

      I am scared too, for the same reasons you are.  It is impossible to say precisely what will happen, but it will be chaotic.. It will not be good.  Lacking a miracle of sorts.. If you live in an urban area, do all you can to protect yourself and your loved ones.  Seems the authorities will not be on our side.

    • #335981
      ArtfromArk
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      A cop almost pulled a gun on you? For what?

    • #336208
      retired liberal
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      @artfromark
      “A cop almost pulled a gun on you? For what?”

      Not a snark or putdown intended, just my imagination here, but I’m guessing O.B. has both arms tattooed, was wearing a sleeveless denim shirt (with a vest) and maybe a bandana on his head. He was looking like he should have been on a rat Harley and part of an outlaw motorcycle club.

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If you are wrong, it will be because you are not cynical enough.
      Both major political parties are special interest groups enabling each other for power and money, at the expense of the people they no longer properly serve…
      Always wear a proper mask when out and about. The life you save could be both yours and mine.

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