Alaska Healthcare Worker Has Serious Side Effects From Vaccine

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      Snort McDork
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      WASHINGTON — A health care worker in Alaska had a serious allergic reaction after getting Pfizer’s coronavirus vaccine Tuesday, symptoms that emerged within minutes and required an overnight hospital stay.

      The middle-aged worker had no history of allergies but had an anaphylactic reaction that began 10 minutes after receiving the vaccine at Bartlett Regional Hospital in Juneau, Alaska, a hospital official said. She experienced a rash over her face and torso, shortness of breath and an elevated heart rate.

      Dr. Lindy Jones, the hospital’s emergency department medical director, said the worker was first given a shot of epinephrine, a standard treatment for severe allergic reactions. Her symptoms subsided but then reemerged, and she was treated with steroids and an epinephrine drip.

      When doctors tried to stop the drip, her symptoms reemerged yet again, so the woman was moved to the intensive care unit, observed throughout the night, then weaned off the drip early Wednesday morning, Jones said. He said the woman felt well, remained enthusiastic about the vaccine and was set to be discharged later Wednesday.

      Although the Pfizer vaccine was shown to be safe and about 95% effective in a clinical trial involving 44,000 participants, the Alaska case will likely intensify concerns about possible side effects. Experts described the woman’s symptoms as potentially life-threatening and said that they may prompt calls for tighter guidelines to ensure that recipients are carefully monitored for adverse reactions.

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/alaska-health-worker-had-serious-012800134.html

       

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    • #386235
      ThouArtThat
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      @snortmcdork

      Hi smd,

      Yep, personally, I do not plan to take any vaccine until we know more about efficacy and side effects. Until then it is Vitamin D3 and Zinc supplements everyday.

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    • #386236
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      without a history of allergies. There’s already a warning for those who have a history of allergic reactions.

      I wonder who will pay for the ICU?

      And why are we still the only major country where that question even has to be asked?

      • #386320
        Blue Meany
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        had a website up at the beginning of the pandemic with documentation of what they had tried as treatment and what had worked.  There was a substance, I forgotten the name, extracted from a traditional Chinese medicine formulation (a mix of herbs) that was said to keep COVID from attaching itself to living cells.  I looked into purchasing some from a US chemical manufacturer and found it would be prohibitively expensive for me to use as a prophylatic, but I was surprised no companies tried to profiteer off of the information by at least selling the Chinese medicine.  At any rate, the website was taken down fairly quickly, so I suppose that Chinese companies are seeking to monetize these discoveries.

         

         

         

         

    • #386238
      Snort McDork
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      Yeah, I’m the same way. I’m going to wait to see how this plays out. Noticed a long line of cars at Walgreens yesterday. First thing I thought of was vaccine. But I’m with you. Lets not jump the gun until we have more info on this.


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    • #386239
      Captain Arizona
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      Who by the way has now recovered unlike the 3500+ I will take it ;but unlikely. More likely it will be used up and will have to wait for the moderna vaccine if I am still around. I know some here are anti vacxers so to each is own and hope you don’t give it to me.

      • #386241
        djean111
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        Mixed in with an attempted guilt trip.  Pfizer does not know or care about any long term consequences – it is rushing into the market to get the first, and perhaps only, big gush of vaccine money, and is safely insulated from liability from any and all side effects.  Since, in the US, the most important thing seems to be getting people Back to Work, I question the motives.  A lot.   The most important thing about this vaccine to Pfizer is the fucking stock price.   The vaccine only addresses symptoms, anyway, so wouldn’t it be ironic if people got vaccinated, became symptom free, and then passed Covid on to you?  In any event, since Zeke Emanuel has been on board with this effort, and is on Biden’s team – I will wait.  I am in Zeke’s oh, too bad! triage group – I will be 75 soon, and the Covid team says I am expendable, no life extending medical care for those over 75.

        And the people you want to try and induce guilt in are “vaccine hesitant”.   Funny thing – I read a list somewhere of the arguments and strategy to be used on people who want to wait and see – smearing them with “anti-vaxxer”,  and trying to use guilt tripping are on that list.  Two for two!  I am beginning to think that the real “argument” is – go ahead and get the vaccine!  Sure, it might kill or disable you, but sacrifice yourself for the greater ME! – That is what this all sounds like to me.

        There are other vaccines out there that are still, you know, TESTING to see what longer term effects are.  The rush to use the Pfizer vaccine seems bizarre.  And whoever thinks that there may not be enough vaccine (and perhaps that is another ploy) – they can have mine.  And I plan to keep staying home and using a mask when I go out, so how would I be “giving” Covid to you, or anyone?  It is those without the masks because they got the shot that you should be worried about.  The Pfizer vaccine just addresses the severity of  the symptoms.  They do not know if it gives anyone actual “immunity”.   So your guilt thing is a fail.  And, sincerely, good luck!

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        • #386344
          Bernie Boomer
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          I am primarily worried about how effective it will actually be. There are so many questions that they cannot know the answer to, simply because very little time has passed since the trials started. This drug is being presented as a cure-all and that’s going to have consequences.

          They claim 95% immunity after two doses over three weeks. Immunity drops to 82% with just one dose. Are they calculating that risk as they plan on ‘getting America back to work?’

          The study indicated that 37 participants who received the vaccine and 30 who received the placebo dropped out after the first dose (out of a total of 43,448 participants).* That’s a relatively low percentage, but it is also taken from a group of people who volunteered to test the drug. The general population will undoubtedly have larger drop-offs.

          Assuming you get both doses, how do you know if you are part of the five percent that doesn’t develop immunity? Will antibody testing be offered to everyone? Who will pay for it?

          And, since you’re absolutely right that a big part of this vaccine is reducing the severity of symptoms – how many people will catch it believing they can’t catch it because they had the vaccine, be asymptomatic or blow off mild symptoms as cold or flu, and spread it to others?

          It feels like they are putting the cart before the horse in their eagerness to get back to ‘normal’ (as if that concept exists) and people are desperate for hope. It’s a dangerous combination.

          Since the UK is busily doing their version of a phase 4 trial on the general population, I guess we’ll find out a lot more pretty soon . . .

          * This is the document I was reading – the Pfizer report to the FDA: https://www.fda.gov/media/144245/download

    • #386245
      incognito
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      And that’s why I’m never Taking a big pharma vaccine. I would take a vaccine from another country that has zero involvement with U. S. big pharma companies, but I’ll be damned if I take one of these rushed vaccines pushed by corrupt, greedy U. S. big pharma.

      After they make millions sick/or die from reactions, who pays THAT bill? The government? Big pharma? Or the patient? I think the test subjects know the answer.

    • #386246
      Babel 17
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      Since it has to jump start the immune system in a meaningful fashion.

      I say “can be”, because I guess it’s possible some less obvious, highly clever, ways of getting the job done could involve less stress on the body.

      Maybe something that is arguably not really a vaccine could become a preferred “insurance” against becoming deathly ill if infected.

      But then again, vaccines generally work in an understandable fashion, and something high tech, that turns the body into a mechanism to produce exotic substances that would hinder a virus, might be seen as too risky.

    • #386262
      gordyfl
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      I’ll still wear a mask, keep my distance, wash my hands and continue to take my vitamin Cs and supplements.

    • #386264
      A Simple Game
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      Fingers crossed because it is still early in the vaccination campaign.

      People are reacting to these isolated cases just as the media hopes, making more from it than it deserves.

      All vaccines will cause adverse reactions in a few people, but so far this one seems to be fairly safe.  I do feel sorry for the couple of people in England and the two in Alaska but it is not unusual at all.  In a quick search I couldn’t find any percentages of reactions, anyone know any actual numbers?

       

    • #386335
      Fasttense
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      They make your cells pump out proteins like those spikes on the end of the coronavirus. This is suppose to make your immune system beef up to fight viruses with those proteins.

      So at least there is no way you can be contagious for Covid.

      But you could react to the proteins in other ways. The cytokine storm in your lungs that killed so many Covid victims is an overreaction of your immune system. And allergic reactions are also overreactions of your immune system. So, there is a similarity in response. Just makes me wonder.

      • #386355
        Haikugal
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        @fasttense what does it make you wonder? I have an autoimmune disease among other things that make me a prime candidate for NOT getting the vaccine and I’m interested…thanks.

        • #386396
          Fasttense
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          Should also keep away from the vaccine. I can understand why they discourage people with numerous allergies to not get it but I really think autoimmune disorders could cause problems down the road if you got the vaccine.

          It also makes me wonder if somewhere down the line people will develop autoimmune diseases from these cells pumping out parts of a virus into their bodies.

          Scarlet fever is a reaction not to the virus itself but an allergic reaction to the toxic waste produced by the virus. I wonder if cells producing this protein will also cause a reaction and be targeted by the immune system. This maybe deadly depending on where and how many cells are producing the protein.

          I would think that in about 6 months of use, we will find out.

          • #386418
            Haikugal
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            I can’t help but wonder if we will ever know? Will we be told? If it is enriching the 1% wouldn’t they just let (whatever) continue? It’s not like our healthcare system really investigates the cause of various illness, they aren’t into cures…so what are the chances that those of us, read little people, will get anything but a poke in the eye??

             

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