Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Biden’s Win, House Losses, and What’s Next for the Left

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      sonofspy777
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      Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez spoke outside her campaign office in the Bronx on Election Day.

      We finally have a fuller understanding of the results. What’s your macro takeaway?

      Well, I think the central one is that we aren’t in a free fall to hell anymore. But whether we’re going to pick ourselves up or not is the lingering question. We paused this precipitous descent. And the question is if and how we will build ourselves back up.

      We know that race is a problem, and avoiding it is not going to solve any electoral issues. We have to actively disarm the potent influence of racism at the polls.

      But we also learned that progressive policies do not hurt candidates. Every single candidate that co-sponsored Medicare for All in a swing district kept their seat. We also know that co-sponsoring the Green New Deal was not a sinker. Mike Levin was an original co-sponsor of the legislation, and he kept his seat.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/politics/aoc-biden-progressives.html

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      “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
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      Mr. Mickeys Mom
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      “There’s a reason Barack Obama built an entire national campaign apparatus outside of the Democratic National Committee,” she told the Times’ Astead Herndon. “And there’s a reason that when he didn’t activate or continue that, we lost House majorities. Because the party – in and of itself – does not have the core competencies, and no amount of money is going to fix that.” – AOC

      Effing A!

      Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

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      salemcourt
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    • #376372
      Ohio Barbarian
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      IMO, no progressive does. The leadership will continue to hate her and all other progressives, they will continue to learn the wrong lessons, they will continue to mostly lose to Republicans because they suck. Because they offer ordinary people nothing. Because they stand for nothing except to advance their own wealth and power and status within the oligarchy.

      If AOC does retire from politics in a couple of years, I won’t blame her. Who needs to be treated with contempt and get death threats every day? I’d rather see her just change her party affiliation to the People’s Party or the Greens, which would give either one a big boost, but if she doesn’t I can understand that, too.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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      Cold Mountain Trail
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      “If AOC does retire from politics in a couple of years”

      has she said she was thinking about it?


      @ohiobarbarian

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      @coldmountaintrail She said the probability of her running for another office is the same as that for settling down on a homestead somewhere. That sounds like she is seriously considering both options to me, and will see how things go for awhile before making up her mind.

      I like that. AOC was refreshingly human when she said that. It was clear the NYT reporter, who thinks staying in office is the end-all and be-all, was shocked to hear her say that.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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      Sorechasm
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      outside the Progressive Caucus. Making her more popular with her base, once again.

      I hope she does not burn out, because she is such an incredible leader. I’ve never seen anyone with her communication skills, clarity of strategic skills, and dedication to democracy like her. Others in the Squad are great, each have their key leadership skills. AOC is outstanding at wrapping the entire team together.

      “Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls;...what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless;..." Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.Excerpt From: Yogananda, Paramahansa. “Autobiography of a Yogi.”

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      Sorechasm
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      AOC’s frustration with the DNC is most poignant here:

      “I’ve been begging the party to let me help them for two years. That’s also the damn thing of it. I’ve been trying to help. Before the election, I offered to help every single swing district Democrat with their operation. And every single one of them, but five, refused my help. And all five of the vulnerable or swing district people that I helped secured victory or are on a path to secure victory. And every single one that rejected my help is losing. And now they’re blaming us for their loss.”

      DNC cannot be this stupid and hard-headed without the help of the Deep State, who enjoy picking winners and losers depending upon the degree to which they fall in line to their game. The Squad refuses to and gets elbowed out of the Democratic Convention, and scapegoated for DNC’s lethargy.

      Gratefully, the Deep State have proven to be terrible liars lately, and their game plans are not much more stable than Trump’s. The DNC is cooked if they don’t address racism and their obvious prejudices.

      We’re all cooked if the Squad burns out. Joining the People’s Party may be the only alternative if intransigence continues.

      “Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls;...what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless;..." Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.Excerpt From: Yogananda, Paramahansa. “Autobiography of a Yogi.”

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      Joe Biden just won and now AOC’s being divisive! This isn’t the right time to criticize Democrats! 

      It’s never the right time, though, is it? Vichy Dems must never be criticized from the left. In fact, the left just needs to STFU and do what they’re told by their betters.

      That party is dead to me. It certainly doesn’t do shit for me.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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      Cold Mountain Trail
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      “It’s never the right time, though, is it? Vichy Dems must never be criticized from the left”

      sure seems that way.  which is why they need deep and continual criticism from the left

      the left being anyone left of pelosi and schumer which is a whole lot of territory

      john R loser kasich has been on the tv all day spouting his bs

      when kasich gets to posture as a elder statesman, the Ds are dead & deserve to die

       

       

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      w4rma
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      Some paragraphs that stood out, for me:

      But we also learned that progressive policies do not hurt candidates. Every single candidate that co-sponsored Medicare for All in a swing district kept their seat. We also know that co-sponsoring the Green New Deal was not a sinker. Mike Levin was an original co-sponsor of the legislation, and he kept his seat.

      If you are the D.C.C.C., and you’re hemorrhaging incumbent candidates to progressive insurgents, you would think that you may want to use some of those firms. But instead, we banned them. So the D.C.C.C. banned every single firm that is the best in the country at digital organizing.

      The leadership and elements of the party — frankly, people in some of the most important decision-making positions in the party — are becoming so blinded to this anti-activist sentiment that they are blinding themselves to the very assets that they offer.

      I’ve been begging the party to let me help them for two years. That’s also the damn thing of it. I’ve been trying to help. Before the election, I offered to help every single swing district Democrat with their operation. And every single one of them, but five, refused my help. And all five of the vulnerable or swing district people that I helped secured victory or are on a path to secure victory. And every single one that rejected my help is losing. And now they’re blaming us for their loss.

      I think the transition period is going to indicate whether the administration is taking a more open and collaborative approach, or whether they’re taking a kind of icing-out approach. Because Obama’s transition set a trajectory for 2010 and some of our House losses. It was a lot of those transition decisions — and who was put in positions of leadership — that really informed, unsurprisingly, the strategy of governance.

      I don’t know. I think I’ll have probably more answers as we get through transition, and to the next term. How the party responds will very much inform my approach and what I think is going to be necessary.

      The last two years have been pretty hostile. Externally, we’ve been winning. Externally, there’s been a ton of support, but internally, it’s been extremely hostile to anything that even smells progressive.

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