Ambassador Yovanovitch, Once a Trump Target, Is Now His Nightmare, by William Rivers Pitt

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    • #226009
      ravensong
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      On Friday, Yovanovitch told the House Intelligence Committee, the country and the world about her experiences as ambassador to Ukraine under the administration of Donald Trump. She was a threat to Trump’s plans in Ukraine, and now she is part of the threat to Trump’s presidency.

      Before her three-year stint in Ukraine, Yovanovich served as senior advisor to the under secretary of state for political affairs, U.S. ambassador to Kyrgyzstan, U.S. ambassador to Armenia, and principal deputy assistant secretary for the Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs. She is a diplomat in residence at the Institute for the Study of Diplomacy at Georgetown University.

      Yovanovitch is, in short, a testimonial nightmare for the likes of Devin Nunes, Jim Jordan and Trump: a smart, experienced, devoted career public servant in the vein of George Kent and William Taylor. In a room packed with Republican misogynists, she stood as a threat not only to Trump, but to their benighted understanding of the natural order of things. That, right there, was worth waiting in a long line to see.

      Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani and their co-conspirators in Ukraine tried to bully Marie Yovanovitch. On Friday, she got her broad-daylight opportunity to return the favor. There is nothing a bully hates more than getting punched back in return. If I were Nunes and Jordan, I would’ve call in sick on Friday. Ukraine Flu, y’know. It’s been going around.

      Ambassador Yovanovitch, Once a Trump Target, Is Now His Nightmare

      Trump clearly has a serious woman problem, and his arrogant hatred for women is one of the primary factors in his impending loss in the 2020 election.

       

      “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

      The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
      ~ Unknown

    • #226015
      Voltairine
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      Do you support MIC and PNAC and public servants whom taxpayers feed serving MIC and PNAC? Are MIC and PNAC are serving the interests of people in a way that pleases you?

      Aloha!

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        salemcourt
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        • #226095
          ravensong
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          @salemcourt

          Fact check: Claims that Yovanovitch created a “do not prosecute” list are untrue

          During her testimony, former US Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch dismissed several conspiracy theories against her that may have contributed to her firing, specifically the notion that she created a list of protected individuals from corruption investigations.

          Earlier this year, Yuriy Lutsenko, the former Ukrainian Prosecutor General, claimed that Yovanovitch had created a “Do Not Prosecute” list of protected individuals, obstructing investigations into corruption.

          Facts First: The State Department released a statement saying that these claims were false and Lutsenko later retracted his statement.

          As Yovanovitch noted during the hearing, when this claim came forward through an interview with Lutsenko, the State Department called the claim an “outright fabrication.” Later, Lutsenko himself walked the allegation against Yovanovitch back.

          https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-hearing-11-15-19/h_6bb8ee4b977504dcc30aaadd3481be4d

          U.S. Rejects Ukraine Top Prosecutor’s ‘Don’t Prosecute’ Accusation

          March 21, 2019 16:59

          KYIV — The U.S. State Department has denied an explosive claim by Ukrainian Prosecutor-General Yuriy Lutsenko that U.S. Ambassador to Kyiv Marie Yovanovitch gave him “a list of people whom we should not prosecute” during their first in-person meeting.

          “The allegations by the Ukrainian prosecutor-general are not true and are intended to tarnish the reputation of Ambassador Yovanovitch,” a State Department spokesperson told RFE/RL in e-mailed comments on March 21.

          “Such attacks redouble our resolve to help Ukraine win the struggle against corruption,” the spokesperson added.

          https://www.rferl.org/a/us-rejects-top-ukrainian-prosecutors-dont-prosecute-accusation/29834853.html

          Those who believe the lies of fascists end up knowing less than nothing.

          “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

          The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
          ~ Unknown

      • #226090
        ravensong
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        @voltairine

        No, I have been writing about the evils of the PNAC and MIC since the late 90’s.

        Not every public servant who serves under corrupt superiors is corrupt.  The good ones do the best they can under the circumstances, to actually try to do some good for people.  But sometimes, there comes a point where the corruption of superiors becomes obvious and intolerable, such as when avowed fascists like Trump assume power, and use the power of government to commit blatant corrupt acts for their own personal gain.  At that point, a clear and present danger and immediate threat to the safety and liberty people of the nation that the public servant is employed to serve, is manifest.

        At that point, a public servant has a choice to either speak out about the corruption, and try to stop the corruption, or remain silent, and allow the corruption to continue unabated, until the corruption fully consumes the government of a nation.

        The government of the US has been on a sleighride to hell ever since Reagan became POTUS, and subsequently, Republican Corporatists, calling themselves the Democratic Leadership Council, or DLC, infiltrated the Democratic party and co-opted it, in order move the Democratic party as far to the right as possible, in order to completely neutralize it as any kind of effective opposition to the corporate party of plutarchs and wealthy private interests, the Republican party. Today, these Republicans that control the Democratic are known as Third Way, New Democrats, Blue Dogs, etc. Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are examples of these New Democrat Republicans who work to ensure that the Democratic party is not an effective foil to the Republican, whose goal is to insure that the US government remains under the full control of wealthy private interests, and that democracy, social and economic justice, equality, and emergency measures to combat environmental destruction never come to fruition in the US.

        This is why the New Democrat Republicans, and the plutarch owned MSM, are struggling so desperately against us, and against leaders like Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard, AOC, etc. They want the US Government to remain under the full control of wealthy private interests.

        .The ascendancy of the billionaire businessman, the avowed, and obvious fascist, Donald Trump, to the Presidency of the US, and the rise of fascism in the United States, is a direct result of the decades long manipulation of the Democratic party to move it the right.

        I despise fascists and fascism, and I am glad that there are some public servants still left in the US government who are opposed to fascism, and who have the integrity and courage to come forward in an effort to expose the present danger of the fascist corruption of Donald Trump, and his corrupt hand picked loyalist fascist servants in his government, giving the people of the US a chance to end the corruption before Trump and his hand picked assemblage of fascist loyalists in our government succeed in ending all possibility of democracy, justice and equality in the US, and establish an unchallengeable permanent fascist authoritarian theonomy, in which plutarchs fully control the US government, and Government of, by, and for, The People, becomes a virtual impossibility.

        First, we remove all the fascists, from the top down, and the bottom up. No dictators. No kings. No queens. No fascist corruption.  No more fascist right wing bullshit.

        “The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.” ~President Franklin D. Roosevelt

        “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

        Bernie/Tulsi 2020

        “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

        The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
        ~ Unknown

        • #226170
          Voltairine
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          Public servants who serve the MIC and PNAC agenda  are not serving public good. Obama coup in Kiev served MIC and PNAC agenda, not public good. Yovanovitch etc. Ukraine embassy and desk officials have been serving MIC and PNAC agenda, not public good. They are all on the enemy side, if and when it is understood that MIC and PNAC are the number one enemy of people.

          Those who take the MIC and PNAC side on this battle because TDS are falling in their trap.

          Aloha!

          • #226247
            Voltairine
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            I despise fascists and fascism, and I am glad that there are some public servants still left in the US government who are opposed to fascism,

             

            Yet give here support the narrative of Neocon coup and embassy staff that have been working in open and direct alliance with Banderista neonazies of Ukraine, who with support of US embassy have been openly threatening another coup if Zelensky proceeds towards peace and better relations with Russia.

            Aloha!

          • #226272
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            @voltairine

            I’ll just drop this here.  Note that the author of the OP that I posted at the top of this page, is William Rivers Pitt, the same author of the essay at the link below:

            The Project For A New American Century, by William Rivers Pitt

            The Project for the New American Century, By William Rivers Pitt 02/25/03

            A lot of us have been at this game for a long time, and we know fascists when we see them.  We can smell fascist ratfuckers from a mile away.

            “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

            The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
            ~ Unknown

            • #226347
              Voltairine
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              I don’t think you smelled well enough.

              I remember very well when I started to smell the Third Wave fascist mass psychology of the Third Way Neocons. Many here have experienced how New Left hippies, who dominated SV during Bush Era, started to be first slowly but surely pushed out when they spoke against Neocon policies of Obama, until 2016 purge when SV went full Neocon, full Third Wave authoritarian mass psychosis. The LGBT etc. identity politics of Third Way Neocons fooled many. Woke Fascists who tolerate and often also are themselves LGBT. Fascism needs an enemy, doesn’t matter who or what. For Neocon fascism the enemy is Russia.

              Aloha!

          • #226348
            Ohio Barbarian
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            @voltairine You are seriously missing the point here, which is that there really are a lot of professional federal employees of every agency, including the State Department and the CIA, who really do take their duty to uphold the Constitution seriously. You may find that naive, but there are so many of them that most Americans know what Ravensong is saying is true, because we know people like that.

            None of these State Department types set policy–policy was set at the top; in Ukraine’s case, by the Obama Administration. It made the policy, federal employees like Yovanovitch implemented them. What can I say? That’s how the bureaucracy is supposed to work.

            Trump never changed that Obama policy towards Ukraine, though. Never. (Aside, that makes the Vichy Dem argument that Trump is a Putin Puppet absurd, does it not?) Anyway, if the official policy is unchanged, and there have been no written instructions, then the head bureaucrat in charge of any local federal agency–in this case, Ambassador Yovanovitch–is free to continue on implementing the current policy within understood limits.

            She never stepped out of bounds there. Whether you agree with the policy she was following, which was Obama’s anti-Russian one, or not(I don’t), she was just doing her job. There’s nothing suspicious about that. OTOH, she had every reason to be suspicious of Trump when his private lawyer was running around Ukraine conducting a smear campaign against her for following official American foreign policy! Policy that Trump never changed.

            And to find out that the President didn’t care one whit about the existing policy towards Ukraine and Russia, and in fact was obstructing his own official policy in order to advance his personal political interests, and bullying anyone who got in his way. That’s an impossible situation to put a career federal employee in, and Trump’s done it a lot.

            It was inevitable that some would willingly cooperate with any congressional inquiry into such irrational and potentially dangerous behavior on the part of any President. There’s no Deep State conspiracy here, man. This is just the crazy Emperor running up against your ordinary imperial bureaucracy.

            In the end, this whole impeachment shindig isn’t going to amount to a hill of beans anyway. Most Americans aren’t even paying attention to it because they know it will not even get Trump out of office, much less impact their lives. If you want a closer look at a few of them, please read today’s Barbarian at the Gates.

            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

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              I think you are missing the point, which means that we need to look at this impeachment in the context of recent history to understand what is going on. During Bush and Obama regime,  Neocons infiltrated and indoctrinated CIA, State Department etc. as well as MSM so thoroughly that it became Neocon media.

              Trump the candidate promised big change in foreign policy, first destroying Bush “legacy” in Republican party and then preaching version of “Realist” school proposed by Bannon, Flynn etc., which I assume is competing if not stronger faction in Pentagon compared to Neocon faction. Policy which is not based on expanding NATO and antagonism with Russia, which are the core tenets of Neocons. In general election Trump came hard on Obama/Clinton foreign policy, which is same Bush Neocon policy he had already beaten in Republican party, and won the election.

              However, even before Trump took office, the Russiagate was set up by Brennan, Clinton etc. to remove Flynn from administration, etc. etc. The permanent state faction most influential in CIA and State Department did not consider the democratically voted change in foreign policy acceptable, and the main purpose of Russiagate to prevent Trump administration from conducting the foreign policy change it has promised at least towards Russia prevailed at least until it became clear that Mueller investigation had nothing.

              The witnesses of this impeachment as well as Democratic party leadership have all been saying that their main issue is their policy disagreement with Trump, and their Brennan and Clinton ties show that they are tightly in the Neocon camp which rejected the foreign policy change promised by Trump, and as it seems, these witnesses actively participated in opposing and sabotaging it from the beginning – Manafort-Chalupa-Soros thread of Russiagate origins goes to Ukraine.

              The real issue here is Neocon unelected foreign policy establishment concentrated campaign of opposing and sabotaging a significant foreign policy change by elected leader even before he took office. The results DoJ criminal investigation into origins of Russiagate and mutiny of unelected foreign policy officials are not yet in public, but it can be very big. We don’t know yet if any of these witnesses were directly involved in criminal activities beyond mutiny of going along and taking side with what they as career opportunists thought would be the winning side in the battle between Neocon foreign policy establishment and democratic mandate. Or whether they genuinely believed in the Russiagate narrative – and if they did, well, believing that BS is highly incompetent.

              Aloha!

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          @ravensong

          That is a great reply. It would make an equally great OP. Many people forget that there are many federal government employees in all departments that actually take their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States seriously.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower

          • #226349
            ravensong
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            @ohiobarbarian

            Thanks, but all foreign service officers who honor the oath they take when joining the foreign service are the ones who should be applauded.

            Foreign Service Officers Oath

            “I ________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

            Notice they do not swear allegiance to corrupt fascist Presidents like Trump.  The Foreign Service Officers who are upholding their oath to to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, are faithfully fulfilling their oath by honestly reporting and testifying about the unconstitutional acts committed by Trump against the people of the United States, as well as the people of Ukraine.

            Thank you to all the truth tellers who speak truth to power

            Not me. Us.

            “A lie doesn't become truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good, just because it's accepted by a majority.” ~ Booker T. Washington

            The truth is, there’s no such thing as being “anti-Fascist.” Either you are a decent human being with a conscience, or you are a fascist.
            ~ Unknown

          • #226392
            Voltairine
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            Out of curiosity, do you have personal or family ties that would make you identify to some degree with what is called “professional administrative class”, among other names?

            I don’t need an answer, I intend this question for general soul searching of how our various class consciousness identities and sympathies are formed.

            Aloha!

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      Yovanovitch Admits Being Prepped By Obama Admin On Hunter Biden & Burisma During Confirmation:

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      All I need to know about what has been going on inside Ukraine since Bush/Cheney put her there and Obama kept her there, is Victoria Nuland, PNAC original! Read her history, read PNAC’s history, and it all makes sense. Trump is just the latest capitalist pig looking to get his piece of change.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

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