America is a poor advertisement for democracy

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      eridani
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      https://www.nationofchange.org/2021/11/05/america-is-a-poor-advertisement-for-democracy/

      America is very polarized,” the envoy replies. “A number of Republican members of Congress believe that the previous president, who lost the last election, actually won and should be sitting in the White House. They say that there was widespread fraud in the last election, but they have absolutely no proof. And that isn’t even the most outlandish conspiracy theory that’s circulating among elected officials. Some believe that the coronavirus pandemic isn’t real and that the vaccines are not effective.”

      “The country is literally falling apart,” the envoy reports. “The roads, the bridges, the public transportation: all are in terrible shape. But elected officials disagree about the simplest fixes. There are enough guns in the country for every citizen to have at least one, and the homicide rate is shocking. But elected officials can’t agree on the mildest gun control measures. In 2016, the citizens elected a president who very nearly launched a coup to stay in power. This ex-president remains the de facto head of his party and will likely run again for office in 2024.”

      “I haven’t told you about the Supreme Court or the widespread racism or the influence of big corporations.” The envoy grows more agitated. “Or about the 2000 election. Or the gerrymandering and voter suppression and what’s happening now with school board elections.”

      “There was just an election in Virginia for governor that was so full of lies and misrepresentations that I couldn’t believe what I was hearing! “And Washington continues to promote its version of democracy abroad as a model!” the envoy continues. “How can Americans think that anyone would want to follow their version of democracy? Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if America splits into two parts in the next five years and one part becomes a dictatorship!”

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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      Utopian Leftist
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      is a poor advertisement for shit-holes.

      “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
      "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voter will choose a Republican every time." ~ Harry Truman

    • #453639
      jbnw
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      or the media support for one Democratic candidate while ignoring others – thank you Bill Clinton for making the mass media owned by one or two corporations!!

    • #453653
      GZeusH
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      then policies that the majority of people favor would be implemented.  They aren’t, so it isn’t.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

      My pronouns: vuestra merced, monsieur, господин, pana Bogu, πανίσχυρος Δίας

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      jerry611
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      First off, the reason we have so many conspiracy theories is because there is no faith and trust in our election systems. There is no proof of the election being stolen from Trump in 2020. However, there is also no proof that the Russians stole the election from Hillary in 2016, yet that’s all many on our side would talk about for 4 years.

      But our election issues and irregularities go back decades. We all remember 2000, of course. Gore doesn’t talk much about it publicly anymore. But it’s obvious he felt robbed. Older folks may remember 1960 was controversial too. It’s been said that Nixon had always firmly believed that election was stolen from him. The thing about all those elections (1960, 2000, 2016, 2020) is that they were close and all had circumstantial evidence of irregularities that COULD have swung it either way. Even though there was a lack of substantial evidence that foul-play occurred, many people sensed something was off.

      Ultimately, our election system is a cluster-fuck. The biggest issue is many states do in fact lack transparency. The public is largely in the dark when the counting is going on, which is not a good thing. Many other countries when they have elections and count ballots, they do it in front of everyone. The media is there. Monitors are there. People can come and watch. Etc. The ballot boxes maintain strict chain of custody. And the number of ballots in the box match the number of people who voted. There point is that its a very open and public process, the counting. However, it’s also very complex in this country with a substantially high number of ballots. We have mail-in ballots that we can’t decide what to do if the signatures don’t match. Should those count? We have provisional ballots where we fight on whether they should count or not. We have absentee ballots that arrive late in the mail. Should they count? These issues go on and on. And then….we have the voting machines themselves…. and that opens up another can of worms and a hundred questions.

      We can’t seem to agree on a lot of the rules in this country either. We can’t agree on mail-in ballots. We can’t agree on when polls should close. We can’t agree on how the registration rolls should be maintained. We can’t agree on voter ID.  Etc.. And each state has their own rules and deadlines too.

      There are a lot of things that can be done to help restore faith and trust in our elections. Neither side is very interested in entertaining those ideas. Why bother? If you lose you can just claim the election was stolen in an attempt to de-legitimize the winner. That’s pretty much every election in America now.

      But all this said…I agree. Any other democracy out there. Don’t follow us.

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      Hobbit709
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      It gets hot in the summer and cold in the winter.

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    • #453706
      Junker
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      If that is democracy, who the hell would want it?

    • #453783
      chknltl
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      …money can buy.

      Sadly, the cost of this democracy is far out of reach of the majority of it’s citizenry.

      But when one thinks about it, whomever is in charge can call their government whatever they want.

      I am fairly sure that neither Saddam Hussein nor Kim Jong Un call(ed) their governments Repressive Dictatorships for instance.

      So if the Powers That Be here in the U.S. want to call our government a democracy, who am I to disagree with them?

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