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    The Power Of Political Dissensus – An Idea Rarely Discussed

    Instead of relying on traditional Consensus building to form and shape society, embrace the benefits of Dissensus.  Dissensus becomes very effective when a society disengages from accepted norms and each societal member expresses their dissatisfaction through independent action.

    Over time, as each member becomes more disengaged, the society becomes ever more ungovernable by the consensus of accepted norms and practices.  The ruling classes overcompensate with various forms of propaganda and fascism.  However, that overcompensation can only be maintained for a limited timeframe.  Eventually, the ruling elites become irrelevant and retreat since their protestations and exhortations are no longer effective.

    At an individual level, dissensus can take any form that subtly undermines the ruling elite and their power structures.  In the present environment, these actions are probably best directed at undermining large corporate structures dominating the world today.  What might that look like?  Here are but a few examples:

    1. dispose of the TV which is a direct pipeline for propaganda to each citizen
    2. shop locally whenever possible or feasible
    3. only purchase what is really needed
    4. grow your own food if you can
    5. make, repair or recycle as much as possible to meet individual or family needs
    6. use cash for as many purchases as possible
    7. never use credit cards unless absolutely necessary
    8. avoid debt at every turn

    Each of these actions reduces the hegemony and control of corporate power and can collectively have a dramatic impact without the need for formal organizing or consensus building.  Each societal member slowly begins the disengagement process that best fits their situation, capabilities, and resources.  Over time, dissensus becomes a destabilizing force without a locus that cannot be controlled and leaves the elites neutered and defenseless.  Continuing to press for Consensus while at the same time encouraging Dissensus will inevitably ensure the political system’s fracture and collapse.

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  • bemildred (4708 posts)
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    1. Avoid debt, if you can too.

    Use cash. It pisses them off. Your suggestions can be a big help with that too. The more you disentangle yourself from the corporate world, the less you have to put up with their bullshit.

    It ain't the things you don't know that hurts you, it's the things you know that ain't so.
    • ThouArtThat (5035 posts)
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      2. Thank You – Will Add To The List – Much Apprecaited


      "In America Today, Power Corrupts and Money Corrupts Absolutely" - Anonymous  
  • Marym625 (25840 posts)
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    3. On The Daily Radical!

    Excellent. Thank you

    "Once the decision was made to go into Iraq as an invader and occupier,  it’s like our nation lost its conscience. And it has not yet gotten that conscience back." Madfloridian  
  • Enthusiast (9813 posts)
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    4. Kicked and Recommended!

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. There would be no place to hide."  Frank Church "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men in society, over the course of time they create for themselves a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frederic Bastiat, 1848
  • Ohio Barbarian (4793 posts)
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    5. Thou has presented a most useful thing, and thanks to Bemildred for bringing up

    point #8, which might be the most effective action we can take against our financial aristocracy. I’ve got a few quibbles, so I’ll go through this great list on where my family is.

    1. No way we’re giving up our TV’s, dude. For one thing, streaming a channel on a small computer screen causes headaches for us older folks. Besides, we have free over-the-air TV with with about 50 channels and subchannels thanks to the digital broadcasting signal. Lots of free stuff, add the Roku box(a one time purchase actually made with cash, we did good there) and you get a whole hoard of stuff for very little. Anyway, all of us know propaganda when we see it and ask questions of each other and the Internet if we’re not sure.
    2. Done as much as possible, I’d say we’re at about 99% local consumers.
    3. No problem. We’re too broke to do much else.
    4. We may be able to plant a small garden this spring, but grocery stores are still necessary for us. Fortunately, there’s three closely driveable ones and not one of them is Wal-Mart.
    5. Inadequate skills to do a lot of that. We recycle a lot, though.
    6. In some parts of this metro area(Cleveland), that just isn’t wise. It’s a good idea, but if we’re bourgeois about anything it’s about the convenience of the checking account debit card. I know they can track what we purchase, I don’t like it, but other than some internet ads it doesn’t seem to affect us much.
    7. What’s a credit card?
    8. Oh, absolutely. Lesson learned. We were cash and carry for over a decade, and I myself had been that way for 25 years pretty much. Then I decided to get out of rental hell, use my VA benefits, and buy a really pretty nice house for the price by Ohio standards and a steal by Colorado ones. I had to build credit, quick. I financed a car. Mission accomplished, we got the house. Price? The car loan is crippling while everything else goes up in price except for my pay.

    Our ruling class makes its money off of debt, both paid and unpaid because they have rigged the system to that extent. No debt, no profits for the worst of Wall Street, anyway.

    Highly recommended for that point alone, and more so because of all of them. Great post, Thou; glad to see it on the Daily Radical.

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    • ThouArtThat (5035 posts)
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      6. Hi OB – Excellent – We Each Contribute To Dissensus In Our Own Way – Good Job!


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  • slipslidingaway (192 posts)
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    7. knr, also do not buy into our two party system. nt

  • ZimInSeattle (1388 posts)
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    8. Thanks ThouArtThat for giving dissensus it's own post. Great idea that's time

    has come.

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  • Satan (2741 posts)
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    9. Admittedly, using cash only isn't all that convenient these days.

    But if you must use plastic, then do your banking through a credit union, or failing that, a local bank that is healthy and not likely to be swallowed up by Wall Street in the near future. And only use plastic cards issued by that financial institution.

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    • ThouArtThat (5035 posts)
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      10. Absolutely – Great Advice – Big Believer In Credit Unions


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    • ChiciB1 (657 posts)
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      11. Thankfully I'm Able To Bank With A Credit Union… I'm Not Sure How Easy It Is

      to get by without a credit card completely, but I try to NEVER have to pay the interest.  Even their plastic comes through VISA, CITI, etc.

      But rates are much better and you can get better deals.


      • jwirr (3716 posts)
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        12. One of the biggest reasons for banking at the Credit Union is because they

        invest locally. At least you are putting your money into the local economy.

        • ChiciB1 (657 posts)
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          15. That IS a Plus, But CC Rates Are Pretty Low Too. I Try Not To Use Mine

          much, but many times it’s difficult to do without one.  The points I earn by using my CC can’t be matched by my debit card.  Plus, my husband worked for a Union company and that’s another plus.

          I’m extremely grateful that the Union is still  negotiating our Health Care plans, for how long I DON’T KNOW, but I don’t have to buy a supplemental plan for drugs and don’t need referrals.

          I recently had 2 back surgeries, spinal fusion which got billed out at $168,000 which I’ve only had to pay $700 of it.  It’s been almost 6 months now and from what I’m seeing from the billing break down, the doctor, hospital AND anesthesia doctors are included in my billing.  Even the operating room and I was on a separate orthodpeditc floor and didn’t have to share a room.  I was actually SHOCKED at how nice the room was after each surgery the food they served was exceptional.  I had no real appetite, but my husband had great dinners!  I know, has nothing to do with Credit Unions, but because of the Union Health Care policy I have I was really surprised!  And, we are on a Retiree Medicare Plan.  I also had the ability to go to the ONLY Union Hospital in my VERY RED COUNTY!  How they managed to Unionize is beyond me.  Sarasota Memorial employees have been trying to unionize for YEARS!

          I made it a point to ask each employee how they liked working there, everyone said it was great!  But our coverage was through Verizon and they sold their internet/phone etc. service to Frontier in FL, TX and CA!  Two huge states so I’m very worried.

    • FanBoy (7985 posts)
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      16. as the ptb have been moving the proles to credit unions, what makes

      you think they will remain safe havens?

      personally, I wouldn’t be surprised to see an S&L crisis redux

      nothing is safe in this kind of world

    • Coldmountaintrail (2491 posts)
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      18. "only use plastic cards issued by that financial institution"

      i don’t know that any banks or credit unions are purely ‘local’ anymore, and my credit union (established by a fairly large corporation in point of fact) issues credit card with their name on it — but it’s still VISA.

      People underestimate how all-encompassing the borg is IMO

  • 2cannan (1418 posts)
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    13. What about selling off any stocks you might have?

    I also wish there was a way to do something around our taxes–that has always been a really scary area for me.

    Maybe also add something to the list about public transport and reducing your gas consumption?




  • nevereVereven (3170 posts)
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    14. Heartily recommended.

    A hologram of a magnifying glass will also function as a magnifying glass, but a hologram of Sherlock Holmes won't solve anything.  
  • GZeusH (2108 posts)
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    17. #9 Give shit away

    Come on, do you need all that stuff you are hoarding?  That old pancake griddle that you had when you moved in, do you still need it?  Or can you donate it to a second-hand store so that someone doesn’t have to buy a new Chinese one from Wal-Mart?

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