An Ineffectual Biden Presidency Is Better For The Left Than An Actively Authoritarian Trump Presidency

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      eridani
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      https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/08/an-ineffectual-biden-presidency-is-better-for-the-left-than-an-actively-authoritarian-trump-presidency/

      The facts are these: if Donald Trump is reelected, it could well be the end of American democracy as we know it. Yes, yes, we’re leftists, so we’re cynical: “Democracy! You call this democracy? We’ve never had democracy! We have a ruling corporate elite that lets us press a button every four years to legitimize itself!” But it is important to make sure one is only as cynical as the facts require. It’s certainly true that there is an “illusion of choice” in many ways. But it is also true that we have elections, and many people do get to vote in them (unless they have been disenfranchised), and that those elections decide which party has power, and sometimes the results make a difference.

      Republicans are far worse than corporate Democrats. This should not be controversial. Climate change? The Obama administration put new environmental regulations in place. Some had loopholes with bad consequences. But Donald Trump essentially wants to let corporations do exactly what they please. If he has his way, there won’t be any such thing as an environmental regulation. This is one of the most important and consequential issues of our day, and “LET IT BURN” versus “We want sensible but utterly inadequate emissions policies” are hugely different positions to take on the issue.

      Let us consider the situation of the left. Already, Trump has started sending federal officers to illegally throw protesters in vans and cart them off for detention. Do you not think he will escalate this, if it seems like “the people” have officially given their stamp of approval to it through an election (albeit one with mass voter suppression)? The situation for leftists under an authoritarian right-wing regime is very different from the one under a do-nothing liberal one. Trump is going to continue actively trying to destroy the few protections that workers have on organizing labor unions. Biden will probably just leave the (shitty) status quo alone. Trump will wage a war on immigrants and on voting rights. Biden will probably leave things in their current (unacceptable) condition. Biden has said he regrets the deportations under Obama and promised a moratorium on them under his presidency, not because he’s suddenly become enlightened—he’s already backed off the moratorium promise!—but because immigrant rights groups are successfully pressuring Democrats on this issue. I don’t trust Biden to follow through on any of his many “progressive” promises, but I do believe we can push him in a way we cannot push Trump—pressure from the Sunrise Movement did cause him to adopt a better climate plan—and that under Biden there will be a slightly less aggressive approach to immigration enforcement, which has important consequences for human lives and liberties.

      The way I look at a Biden presidency is that it’s a bit like having no president at all. Biden is a placeholder. Four years of Biden gives us space to organize. His administration can probably be pressured from the left in a way that Trump’s can’t. They’ll be intransigent, of course, but that’s why we need to keep building progressive political power, so that in 2024 AOC will be giving them 60 seconds rather than the other way round. Obviously there will have to be a progressive primary challenge in 2024 to Biden or Harris, and we will have to win, because the Democratic presidency will probably have been ineffectual and unpopular. This is the real concern about a Biden presidency: it will open up space for one of the truly monstrous Republicans, the smart fascists like Tom Cotton and Dan Crenshaw, to run. That would be a nightmare.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

    • #353814
      JonLP
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      A lot of Biden supporters are more concerned about winning than solving problems. They suggest the protestors should go home or stop protesting and instead GOTV for Democrats.

      Down the list they keep dismissing mine and others concerns.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

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      djean111
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      “Democracy as we know it” – we do not know Democracy, and Democracy is not how Biden got on the ballot.

      I do not consider wars and austerity “ineffectual”.  Also – a Biden administration is a neocon neoliberal Third Way administration, and that will continue for years after Biden goes back into his basement or whatever.  So that is eight years, not four.

      The author is casting not voting for Biden as merely hatred of Biden.  Just as so many cast not voting for Hillary as merely hatred of Hillary.  This is not a fucking senior prom, this is about issues and records and deeds, and the actions of Biden – and Hillary – have been hateful, and Biden pledges to continue what he has been doing.

      Looks like repeating, in detail,  all that is horrific about Biden and Harris, and about the DNC, and the Democratic Party, so as to somehow minimalize and marginalize it,  is dernier cri this time around.

      Really, the whole article makes me gag.

      Nope.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

    • #353821
      Ohio Barbarian
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      He owns Current Affairs magazine. He went to Brandeis and Yale. He’s a very comfortable member in good standing of the professional managerial class.

      He can easily afford 8-12 years of neoliberal corporatism, and is obviously scared to death of a real revolution because that would be likely to ruin his own comfortable position in society. My family cannot afford that, and has much, much less to lose than he.

      So when he tells me to Vote Blue No Matter Who, I tell him to go pound sand.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #353829
      Hamlet
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      Trump is a weak President. Pair him with a Democratic Congress.  He will get nothing done. No legislation passed. No nominations confirmed.

      Worst of Both Worlds =  Biden in the White House with a Dem. Congress.

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      NV Wino
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      It’s a pretty poor one. That sounds like a high school essay where he was required to produce X number of words, but not required to actually say anything.

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    • #353849
      salemcourt
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      Another one of these vote blue bullshit.  Biden is infinitely more dangerous than Trump, particularly with a democratic house (almost certain this time).  If democrats also take the senate, then we can expect at least three more wars to start under Biden with full support from the MSM, the neo-cons, and the war mongering republicans.

    • #353858
      N2Doc
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      Who is to say a Biden presidency will be ‘ineffectual?’  I would suspect it would be very much like Barry’s Presidency, ineffectual in areas that help the 99%, very effective in funneling resources to the Oligarchs and in killing lots of brown and black skinned folks in the Middle East and Africa.

    • #353860
      jwirr
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      That has worked before and we can make it work again.

      jwirr

    • #353921
      revbones
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      Biden/Harris cement the neoliberal agenda in the party for the next four years PLUS at least the next election since Harris would be the candidate.  Possibly for 12 more years – guaranteeing no Med4All, cuts to Soc Sec/disability/veteran benefits, preventing legal weed, and the list goes on.  Trump for 4 more years with a Democratic Congress  means nothing for 4 years and a real chance at change again.

    • #353998
      MistaP
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      he’s STILL writing as though this is anything us plebs have anything to do with, as though if we bite down all our criticisms, stop Tweeting his own avowed positions, knock on doors, phonebank, we can push that carcass across the finish line

      nuh-uh, if he loses he loses on his own

    • #354154
      eridani
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      Changing that will not be done with elections, but nevertheless it makes a lot of difference in real peoples’ lives who gets elected. Trump removing limits on coal emissions put there by Obama makes no difference to anyone’s life?  Dems expanding voting rights and Repubs doing extensive voter suppression matters to no one?

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      And the Democrats were guilty of massive election fraud in March. The results were skewed 11% away from both the recent polls and exit polls. The UN standard of probable cause for fraud is 4%, yet hardly anyone said a word.

      Our democracy is already dead, and there’s no way you or anyone else can convince me to vote for a candidate who is farther to the right than Ronald Reagan, and I’m not talking about Trump. @eridani

      That’s right, I’d take Ronald Reagan over Joe Biden, and I despised Reagan back in the day.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #354816
      eridani
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      Social Security in the crosshairs

      https://www.nationofchange.org/2020/09/03/social-security-in-the-crosshairs/

      And yet, a gradual surrender of its power of the purse by Congress, especially over the last half century, has steadily increased the powers of the Executive branch to the point that the answer at this point may be: Yes he can!

      That’s the warning from Nancy Altman, president of Social Security Works, an advocacy organization dedicated to protecting and improving Social Security for all Americans.

      The worst that Biden would do would be to set up another Obama-style Deficit Commission.  Social Security Works beat that one back in 2011, and will easily do it again.

      Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

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