An Interesting Take On Universal Basic Income
March 24, 2021 at 8:19 PM - Views: 98 #412748
Not necessarily unique and certainly not complete, but good enough to make some step back and think a minute.
Sometime in the near future the Village Idiot is going to do a post on his take on this and other things that are related to it.
Like marriage and family.
Like life in general.
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March 24, 2021 at 8:38 PM #412754
March 24, 2021 at 8:45 PM #412755NV WinoModerator
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The NEA was pretty much killed a while back. Congress stomped all over philanthropic deductions to the arts as well. With all that, the art scene reflected the general scene—1% of established, big name, high-end artists vs the little guys, the up and (maybe) comers. It took art and once again relegated it to the west forty in the WW2 Quonset huts. It destroyed the producers, potential producers and the buyers and potential buyers. UBI could resuscitate the arts. What a different world it could be if we made art, not war.
March 24, 2021 at 9:03 PM #412761
March 24, 2021 at 10:13 PM #412772
What’s the url to see/hear what she says?
March 25, 2021 at 1:10 AM #412828
Making a UBI enough to live on but not enough to support consumer capitalism and we will free people from wage slavery. The only part where I disagreed was the “people want to be productive” crap. That would last maybe a generation.
March 25, 2021 at 5:01 PM #412917
March 26, 2021 at 12:12 AM #413008
I think people haven’t thought this through.
Deskilling is a thing. Not knowing how things work is a thing. Letting low-wage unprotected workers doing all the real work (which will continue to exist, to bring you food to eat and necessary goods and infrastructure and every other damn thing that makes modern life possible) will continue to be a thing, no matter how often the propagandists scream “Its all going to be automated”
Sold your soul for a mess of pottage = UBI
Giving up Social security/medicare/every other benefit for subsistence living on UBI is a thing. Living at the mercy of the company store is a thing.
March 26, 2021 at 3:51 AM #413059
it will either make us happier or more miserable. We will either adapt to it and prosper or not and suffer. I generally agree with you about UBI, people think it promises free money when it’s nothing but a trap, but only because we’re listening to their lies.
March 26, 2021 at 5:45 AM #413066
automation always happens. but the world aint going to be automatic.
your take is illogical.
they’re selling you shit sandwiches so you’ll take the one that makes you most dependent on them.
March 25, 2021 at 7:19 AM #412856eridaniParticipant
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He was supposedly showing a union leader some of the lastest line automation and asked “How are you going to collect dues from these machines?” The union leader answered “And how are those machines going to buy your cars?”
Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction
March 25, 2021 at 11:40 AM #412876
March 25, 2021 at 5:07 PM #412920
What if Mr Ford were required to contribute more to the funding of the UBI because his business just got more profitable?
What if there were tax incentives to hire? Think about it.
Tax the shit outta job losses resulting in increased revenue and give breaks for hiring more people.
Let greed do the walking. He gets to keep his portion of the profit if he hires more versus the losses he accrues due to increased profitability using labor reduction.
March 26, 2021 at 12:14 AM #413010
“And how are those machines going to buy your cars?”
–They’re not going to. Cars are off the agenda for the former middle class. Can’t have people traveling unsurveilled any more.
March 25, 2021 at 5:21 PM #412922FasttenseParticipant
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Why should we have to starve to death, die from hypothermia or dehydration, or allow a mild infection or virus to slowly poison our bodies if no one will give us a job? Why do some people get free loot from their dead relatives while others who don’t will die?
Capitalism is killing us. It has to go before humanity is truly free. I want to live in the Star Trek universe where their is no money. That should be how civilized people live. Do we really think allowing our weakest, poorest, oldest, youngest and sickest to die because they can’t work and get money is a good thing? Especially when the filthy rich, born into wealth they did not earn (like royalty), have so much they couldn’t spend it all in one lifetime. Is this the best society we can make?
March 25, 2021 at 8:37 PM #412961
Personally, @fasttense , I prefer to live where a person can achieve through accomplishment. It seems far to altruistic to assume greatness comes without some reward.
And it isn’t capitalism that’s the problem.
It’s how you regulate the flow of wealth. I have never seen any form of economic measures that could EVER be as rigorous as capitalism. Remember, it isn’t the creation of wealth that is the problem here, it’s how it’s spread over the society making it. Unfettered any economic system is going to have as large if not larger issues in the end. If they even work to begin with.
March 25, 2021 at 11:48 PM #413003
So I say we trade inequality and misery and servitude for security. Then if you want to buy something extra you work for it – but you will find a (whatever) just might not be worth the time and energy. I may want an Xbox, but it’s not worth taking time away from my softball team or my garage band, or my fantasy novel, though a guitar for the garage band might be worth a week at the senior center – but not some really detestable job. Heck, I might even like running errands for some senior – the job might make me feel good if I don’t have to do it. Read Daniel Graeber – the vast majority of jobs aren’t worth doing. Let some machine pick corn for us, or sweep floors or scrub toilets. I was a taxi driver for thirty years; for the first ten I loved helping little old ladies get to their doctor’s appointments, but for the last twenty I hated it – because of a lot of reasons, none of which would have been there if I could have just told the bosses to take their greed and their corruption and shove it. And by the way, I just might not need to take 8 blood pressure medications today. Do you really think I want to work because I want to be able to pay for those medications? How effin warped!
March 26, 2021 at 6:02 AM #413067
theres only shit sandwiches and youll take the cheapest one. and call it freedom.
why would they even give a shit sandwich if they didn’t need something from us?
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