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    • #245914
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      BREAKING: Trump starts war on Iran: ALL OUT Sat. Jan. 4 National Day of Action

      posted by  | 273pt
      January 01, 2020

      New statement from the ANSWER Coalition below

      The Trump administration and Pentagon have moved to start a war with Iran by assassinating Qassem Soleimani, the top military leader of that country. If Iran openly assassinated a top U.S. general and bragged about it, there is no question that the United States would initiate full scale war. Trump and the Pentagon have acted illegally, in violation of the Constitution, the War Powers Act and international law.

      The targeted assassination and murder of a central leader of Iran is designed to initiate a new war. Unless the people of the United States rise up and stop it, this war will engulf the whole region and could quickly turn into a global conflict of unpredictable scope and potentially the gravest consequences.

      The Pentagon high command is recklessly bragging about this illegal, targeted assassination in the most crude and false manner. “This strike was aimed at deterring future Iranian attack plans,” stated the lying generals. They know that the objective of the strike is just the opposite. They want a war with Iran – a country of more than 80 million people. Trump wants it too because he thinks it will guarantee his re-election in 2020.

      For all who believe in peace, for all who are opposed to yet another catastrophic war, now is the time to take action. On Saturday, January 4 in cities across the country there will be protests against a new war in the Middle East and calling for the withdrawal of all U.S. troops and bases in the region.

      Initiators for this call include the ANSWER Coalition, CODEPINK, Popular Resistance, World Beyond War and many other anti-war and peace organizations. If you want to add your name as an endorser click here.

      Demonstrations will take place on Saturday, January 4 in the following cities.

      • The White House – Washington D.C.
        12noon at the White House
      • Chicago, IL
        12noon at Trump Tower
        Initiated by ANSWER Chicago
      • Los Angeles, CA 
        1pm at Pershing Square
        Initiated by ANSWER LA
      • New York City, NY
        11am at Time Square
        Initiated by ANSWER New York
      • San Francisco, CA
        12noon at Powell and Market
        Initiated by ANSWER San Francisco

      • Miami, FL
        1pm at Torch of Friendship, 301 Biscayne Blvd
        Initiated by CODEPINK
      • Albuquerque, NM
        2pm at Kirtland Airforce Base, San Mateo and Gibson Blvd
        Initiated by ANSWER New Mexico
      • Arlington, MA
        12noon at Broadway Plaza, Mass. Ave. and Medford St
        Initiated by Arlington United for Justice with Peace (AUJP)
      • Seattle, WA
        2pm at Westlake Park
        Initiated by ANSWER Seattle
      • Minneapolis, MN
        1pm at Mayday Plaza
        Initiated by Minnesota Peace Action Coalition
      • Atlanta, GA 
        at Little Five Points
        Initiated by ANSWER Atlanta
      • New Haven, CT 
        3pm Sunday, January 5 at Church & Chapel Street
        Initiated by ANSWER Connecticut
      • Portland, Maine
        12noon at Congress Square Park
        Initiated by Peace Action Maine
      • Pittsburgh, PA
        12noon at Schenley Plaza
        Initiated by ANSWER Pittsburgh
      • Denver, CO
        2pm at Colorado State Capital Building
        Initiated by ANSWER Colorado
      • Philadelphia, PA
        12noon at City Hall (15th and Market St.)
      • Lancaster, PA
        12noon at Lancaster County Prison
      • Boulder, CO
        11am at Broadway and Canyon
      • Brimingham, Alabama
        5pm at Five Points South
      • Cleveland, OH
        12noon at Market Square
      • El Paso, TX
        12noon Friday, January 3rd at the U.S. Federal Courthouse
      • Fort Wayne, IN
        2pm at Allen County Courthouse Green
      • Ithaca, NY
        10am at Corner of Clinton and Meadow Streets by CVS
      • Northampton, MA
        11am in front of the Courthouse on Main St
      • Portland, Maine
        12pm at Congress Square Park
      • Santa Monica, CA
        2pm at Santa Monica Promande

      To have an event organized in your city listed above click here!





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    • #245916
      The Red Menace
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      And if the people in charge ignore the protests, then what? What’s the escalation from there?

      More protests at a later date? Yeah, good plan.

      We did this already. For years, we did this. Nothing came of it. Nothing came of it when our parents did it for years in the 60’s.

      Protest alone is not going to change anything. “I DON’T LIKE WAR,” okay, thanks for sharing, what are you going to do about that? What’s the praxis to go with your thesis? What is the “or else” that goes with your demands to halt war? There need to be consequences to ignoring the protest, or else you’re just that French Knight from Monty Python, “Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!”

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        I understand the limitations of protests. Still I welcome all efforts to avoid war.  Protests are one of the few tools available.

        If you’ve got a better plan now would be the time to share it.

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        • #245924
          The Red Menace
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          Well how about you take all these people who are going to show up… and lead them to actual disruption? Occupy city hall or a state capitol building, or the headquarters of some war profiteer company. General disruption through road blockages. Send a bunch of dudes to park their asses in recruitment offices. Cause problems for the system.

          Americans have this overwhelming terror of being a bother, which is amazing considering how much we claim to take pride in being assholes. Abandon the fucking flower power idiocy, this yippy abbie hoffman “look at me prance!” street theater garbage, and get back to the fucking basics.

          • #245995
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            Your suggestion is good but dangerous. But there is a difference between the 60s protests and what happens today. In the 60s-70s the protest were non-stop. Today we have weekend protests that last just for a short time – the only exception I remember was the Occupy movement. IF long term protest like that were to take place across the country I think they would be more effective by deterring business as usual.

            In the 60s-70s we understood the need to effect the people/corporations we were protesting on a long term basis and make their lives as  miserable as we could. Today it seems to me that protests tend to be just an expression of opinion. That will not change anything.

            However I think that it might be too late to actually have protest be anything other than an opinion. I may be wrong about this but back then the TPB were horrified with the way we dropped out and built our own society. The protest really got to them.


            • #246087
              The Red Menace
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              The problems of modern protest in the US are directly traceable to the practices and beliefs of the anti-war movement of the 60’s and 70’s. The Vietnam anti-war movement largely (though I’ll grant, not entirely) disfavored direct action, preferring performative measures. There’s a reason I sneered directly at Abbie Hoffman – the Youth International Party stands out as a pretty grotesque example of how NOT to accomplish something. And they didn’t. They did not accomplish a single fucking thing.

              And yet, when you saw people with big ol’ George Dubya puppets at protests against the Iraq war, or when you see that idiotic baby trump balloon floating around… that’s what you’re looking at. That’s who won. That’s who’s been in charge of protest culture in the US – the most useless and ineffective people from the Vietnam anti-war movement took the reins and drove us all into a ditch.

              I think maybe the worst part is that when someone breaks ranks and does engage in direct action – whether as broadly disruptive as BLM or Occupy, or as narrowly as CodePink has done… they end up getting condemnation from this same crowd of crusties. How many times have you heard or read this line: “Look, I’m sympathetic with their goals, but I can’t approve of their methods” – ‘Cause it’s been said against everyone from ACT UP in the 80’s to the Sunrise Movement just last year.

              The anti-war movement of the 60’s and 70’s wasn’t just nonviolent, but actually anti-violence (yes, there’s a distinction to be made) – and, in the way that people in an intellectual bubble will often do, they sort of distorted “violence” into a pretty extreme view – that disruption was itself a form of violence. How about this line: “You can’t block a road, what if someone needs an ambulance?” or “When you break a window, that’s someone’s livelihood!” or even, swear to god I see this and want to swing a bat, “Teachers can’t go on strike, children need an education!” It’s sort of like the libertarian argument that “taxes are violence,” an idea that maybe started out somewhat rational, but bounced around an echo chamber for so long that now it’s just a distorted mess with no bearing on reality.

              Anything that is an inconvenience to someone becomes  “violence” and all violence is always inherently and equally bad; ergo clogging up a congressman’s office with a sit-in is exactly the same as spiking a tree in a lumberyard, which is exactly the same as the war we’re all against, arg blargh yarble blagh! Boycotts and strikes are put on the same level as sabotage and vandalism, which are put on the same level as aggressive violence and war. it’s a wild fucking world, and we’ve been living in it for nearly fifty years.

              However I think that it might be too late to actually have protest be anything other than an opinion. I may be wrong about this but back then the TPB were horrified with the way we dropped out and built our own society. The protest really got to them.

              Oh honey no.  See, this sort of thing is what I’m talking about.

              Okay, let me try to lay it out for you.

              You’ve got the powers that be – a racist, warmongering, hyper-capitalist colonial system. And then you’ve got you, a very large generation of voting-age young idealists opposed to that very system. And you “drop out.” Refusing to engage the political system at all, you go off to eat cake frosting in the woods or whatever. Do you really think that his horrified “TPTB”? Quite the opposite, man. You did their work for them.

              And then, as now, the protest meant nothing to those guys, because there were no consequences. You could “Hey Hey LBJ!” until your voice gave out, and what did it change? Zip fuck. Same with us, waggling our signs and having our stale snark left over from The Daily Show, you think Trump cares? Course not. Why would he?

              The Vietnam War continued, without a single hitch from your protests. it only ended because the US was defeated. And I don’t mean to come off as insulting or anything but, if we expect a different result in this war, we can’t keep using the same tried-and-failed methods from that era. We need to abandon them and get back to real organizing, real action. We need to stop centering crusties and their rose-tinted vision of a 1968 that never quite existed the way they remember, and engage our brothers and sisters in modern direct action movements, which mostly draw from different strains of protest among American minorities.

          • #246048
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            All of that is completely ineffective for any more than self-expression. After the protestors have been shot, beaten and arrested, the corpmedia will do a point and laugh piece, and again exactly nothing will happen.

            There is absolutely no disruptive activity possible that has any affect whatsoever on the people in power. Block a highway? Unless the presidential motorcade is scheduled to come by, all that does is piss off your neighbors. City Hall or the Statehouse? They didn’t start the war, and probably don’t like it anymore than you do.

            I am part of the problem; I work for a DoD contractor. (why can be a topic for another thread) I could go in today and resign in the name of peace. But who would it disrupt? Just my coworkers and me. No banner emblazoned with “Another Resignation for Peace!” will go up on the building. A couple of phone calls and HR brings in my replacement, and exactly nothing changes. In the meantime I’m adjusting to living on unemployment with no health care. A sacrifice for nothing is called a waste.

            I think we are living in an era of the political version of “you might beat the rap, but you won’t beat the ride.”

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            • #246091
              The Red Menace
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              Well, the only way to directly affect the people in power is to do some things that i’m very sure the owners of JPR do not want to have discussed on their website.

              But more to the point, you’re… kind of wrong, actually. Only kind of, though. Yeah, a lot of these protests end up with people just carted off, and discussed no more. That’s true. But plenty of them also don’t. For an example, remember Egypt, in 2011? Tahrir Square? And not just there but similar disruptive protests aroudn the country. With the goal of bringing down a tyrannical government. And… that government abused the living fuck out of those people. it brutalized them. Police were literally authorized to rape women right there in the street, and they fucking did! There were massacres, mass imprisonments, people disappeared, never to be seen or heard form again, and… and… Mubarak’s government collapsed because of it. The people got what they wanted (well, as close as you can really get in Egyptian politics I suppose.)

              I don’t want Americans to endure those kinds of hardships and horrors, not at all. My point is though, that this method of protest is effective. It’s far from easy or instant. But, speaking of the US… disruptive action is the only reason the civil rights movement has ever gotten anywhere. Of course it’s not achieved all the goals it sets out for.. .but it’s achieved something, and that’s more than the anti-war movements can really say.

              it’s about persistence, organization, and resistance.

    • #245917
      David the Gnome
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      I am afraid that it is too late.  I will pay attention and see if any protests are planned in my neck of the woods – maybe even help plan one, but…

      Iran will retaliate for this.  They have no choice, really, unless they want their Country and/or its leadership to fall apart.  This is an inexcusable action on the part of the U.S. – particularly as it has now been openly admitted and even bragged about.  It reminds me of my local paper, a day or so after 9/11, showing images of cheering Muslim families.  Oh yes, Iran will react.  The question is how much of a reaction we will see.  It is going to depend on what kind of support they can rally throughout the region, on how the Iraqi authorities and people respond to this action – and on how quickly the U.S. follows up this assassination with further strikes.  It is also going to depend on whether Israel suddenly decides to move first.

      Honestly, there is no good outcome from this.  Not for any of us.

    • #245998
      Ohio Barbarian
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    • #246001
      David the Gnome
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      I’d be right there with you if I could.  Give em hell.

    • #246033
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      The protests are better than nothing, although many of them probably won’t be so much anti-war as much as being anti-Trumpers.

      • #246044
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        That’s what all of it is.If Hillary were president and had done this,the same people getting ready to march would be cheering.

        It’s wrong and damn near suicidal,no matter who does it,but partisans just don’t see it that way.

        • #246163
          Ohio Barbarian
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          Bullshit. There were those of us who protested Obama’s wars as well. These won’t be just anti-Trump protests, but antiwar protests.

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    • #246103
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      The marches are one thing. This is an election year, remember?

      I will e-mail and/or call my representative and my Senators and

      tell them that I will canvass against them if they don’t get us out

      of Iraq asap. This has to go across party lines.

    • #246164
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      This is an act of war by one faction of the 1% against everyone else.

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