Anyone here have experience with inviting a feral cat into your home?

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    • #167247
      incognito
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      Three years ago, in the middle of a blizzard, I had a beautiful black cat show up on my doorstep to hunker down out of the snow. That night, I put out a bowl of food for her and she’s been coming here for food ever since.

      For two years, I couldn’t even look at her or she would run away. Last spring she (I didn’t know if she was male or female) showed up in my courtyard with 3 kittens and was comfortable enough here to nurse them.

      I knew who the dad was because he was here with her and the kittens often, so a neighbor who also feeds the community cats, had traps and I trapped all 5 of them. Mom and dad were neutered and brought back here and released. One of the precious little kittens was very sick and was euthanized and the other two were adopted.

      Well, this summer, mom decided she liked me (! Yay!) and started letting me scratch her head and pet her! One day, as I opened my door to feed her, she had her head over my threshold showing interest in what’s in here. Last week I invited her in and she walked in, saw herself in an entryway mirror and promptly ran back out the door. Now I know she would come in, so I covered the mirror with cardboard, bought a litter box and litter,  a cat bed and supplies for a cat – just in case.

      I would like her protected before winter sets in because last winter it looked like she was frostbitten because she lost ALL OF HER HAIR on her right side…from freezing while she slept(?) I don’t know, but it was awful to see her like that.

      My concern is what to do once she’s in here. 1. I haven’t owned a cat for 40 years and they weren’t ferals. 2. How do I get her to a vet again? She had shots last summer and was dewormed, so I know she was healthy last summer. 3. How do I ever get a feral cat into a cat carrier?! There is a mobile vet in the area, but I fear the huge expense of that, but will consider it for the initial checkup and shots. Anyone know if they’re exorbitantly expensive because it may be my only choice in the future too? A Once a year mobile vet bill may be doable, but my concern is getting her to a brick and mortar vet in the future if mobile vets are too expensive and she’ll need nails clipped and grooming because she’s a long-haired cat. So many things to consider here!

      Do any of you have experience with bringing a feral cat into your home to live?

      She’s one of 2  I feed regularly and sometimes 2 other boys are here to eat. The other cat I feed regularly is a male, seems to be old and deaf. He was skin and bones when he first came here. I’m fattening him up. He has moved into my kitty tube that has been in my courtyard for the last 2 years. No other cat has ever shown any interest in it until he did. He’s new this year, is leery of me, but doesn’t run away when I feed him. He’ll be fine in the heated Kitty Tube this winter, so I’m not worried about him as much as my little girl.

      Before I invite her back in, I would like to get some feedback from anyone experienced in housing a feral in your home?

      Sorry for the long post. I thought you might want her story and it’s a long one!

      Any and all input would be greatly appreciated!

    • #167256
      lownslow
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      All 3 of mine were feral at one time. Eventualy they lose some/all of the wild. I couldnt ask for better. They appreciate and really, really know you are trying to help them and become as loyal as a good dog, if not more. Get an oversize carrier, put them in it rear legs first, videos on youtube demonstrate, its still not fun, but i leave my carriers out with some of my old t shirts inside, lets them be familiar, nap in it sometimes. 😼😹😻

    • #167330
      elias39
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      We raised 4 feral kittens –  found in someone’s barn. That may be different from a mature feral, though the fearfulness never completely left the little ones. They’re 12 years old now and still don’t like cuddling much but they’ve been a joy nonetheless.

      as for getting one in a carrier….i take them by the scruff, hold their front paws together and scoot them in head first. Always worked for me. Not easy, but if you’re quick…

      • #167400
        incognito
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        @elias39

        Thank you!

        For all I know, she’ll be a sweet cuddly little thing, but ya never know with cats… Especially feral cats.

        Thank you for the tip…I just don’t want my eyes scratched out. She’s always seemed to be very docile, so hopefully that won’t happen.

        I’ve watched some YouTube videos and have seen people put a blanket or large towel over the feral and scoop them up in the towel to get them in a carrier. That’s another option, I suppose.

        I’m a big chicken! Can you tell? 😬 But I really want to give her a warm home, so I’ll do whatever I need to do for her.

      • #167965
        LiberalElite
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        I have a cat who was a feral kitten.  She was rescued by someone else who kept her for about 5 years and then decided to marry someone who was allergic.  Long story short, I adopted “Charlotte” and she ‘s been living with me since December 2011.  After being indoors for most of her life  (5 years and then more than 7 with me) at age approximately 12 y.o., she still runs from me if I look at her crooked.

        I feel much better since I gave up hope.

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    • #167403
      NV Wino
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      Get a carrier that has top and front doors. To put them in, grab by the scruff of the neck and drop in hind legs first, using the top door. If you don’t have a top loader, turn the carrier on end and drop in hind legs first.

      If you have space, leaving the carrier out is a good idea. Throw  a treat in occasionally to get her used to going in on her own.

      In my experience, mobile vets are not much more expensive than regular vets. Bear in mind, you will still have to corral the cat so the vet can examine her.

      Another thing to do is get her used to being handled: first touch various parts of her anatomy, quickly, gently, briefly—ears, feet, belly, tail, hind quarters; then slowly extend the length of time for each section. She may never totally accept some areas such as feet, but it will let her know you mean no harm when you do need to touch them for whatever reason. Don’t forget to touch her mouth from time to time, too. Comes in handy when it’s time to give pills.

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      • #167472
        incognito
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        @nvwino

        Oh shit… I didn’t even think about giving pills! Yikes!

        Pill pockets worked really well for my dog who hated taking pills and always ended up spitting them out even if they were wrapped in food.. I may have to do cat pill pockets. Now liquid meds are a different story. I have a medicine syringe I used to use on my dog, so can use that, but you’re right, her mouth will need to be touched regularly to prep for a syringe.

        I will definitely get a top and front loading carrier and try to regularly lure her in it with food and treats.

        Thanks so much for your help! It’s been a few years since I’ve dealt with cats physically and ferals are completely different animals, but we’ll be fine, I’m sure. 🙂

        Thank you!

         

    • #167409
      Calico
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      I had a long-haired cat who was carrier-shy and vet-aggressive… and rather aggressive to me as well. So I got a new, large front-opening hard carrier… and she simply walked into it to eat twice a day, every day. Once a year the carrier’s door swung shut on her and she went to the vet/groomer. They had to sedate her for shots followed immediately by a shave and bath. She would hate me for a few hours, until she realized how clean and cool she felt!

      As for trimming her claws, I had to use some tough love. I was tired of being shredded every time my hand strayed too close to her, tired of living in fear of her, so it was either she lets me trim her claws, or she goes to a shelter. My initial goal was just to briefly hold a paw. (I wore thick leather gloves!) If she let me hold it, she got one piece of kibble. When I’d held each front paw 3 times, she’d get the whole bowl of food. If she hissed, spit, bit, swatted me, or ran away, I’d simply put her bowl back in the closet and we’d try again in a few hours. It was two days before she tolerated the paw-holding enough to get the whole bowl. After that, it was easy. We progressed to squeezing her paw a bit to expose a claw, then doing that while holding clipper in the other hand, then moving clipper close to her paw, then touching clipper to a claw, then finally clipping it. I took it slow so she didn’t freak out at each new stage. Even after her claws were all trimmed, I pretended to cut them at each mealtime to reinforce the routine and get her real comfortable with it. After a while it was no big deal to trim her claws any time, anywhere, and she was just fine with it.

      We eventually became the closest of friends. I miss her so much

      • #167480
        incognito
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        @calico

        Aww…Trust me, I know how devastating losing a pet is. I think of my 2 cats and 3 dogs I had,  all the time. They bring such Joy to life. After losing my dog 6 years ago, I told myself that was the last time I was going through that pain. Then, enter feral cats. The last thing I ever expected was a feral cat deciding they like me! LOL…so here I am, probably getting another pet. 🙂

        “I got a new, large front-opening hard carrier… and she simply walked into it to eat twice a day, every day. Once a year the carrier’s door swung shut on her and she went to the vet/groomer.”

        Now THAT is a great idea! I will definitely do that.

        I don’t think I can clip nails. I made my dog bleed once and STILL feel guilty about it. I never trimmed her nails again after that. It will have to be a trip to a groomer. Putting food or treats in the carrier sounds like the easiest way to get her in the carrier, so will absolutely do that.

        Thank you so much for your help.

    • #167473
      Haikugal
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      Hi @incognito congrats on your success with kitty’s. I had three kittens dumped here last December during the coldest weather imaginable. Two disappeared but one became an ankle snake but wouldn’t let anyone catch him. I had to go into the hospital and be away for a week. My son fed the baby and kept him alive in the terrible cold until I came home. Like you I was able to slowly get him to trust me enough to come inside and once he was walking around exploring comfortably I just kept him inside. He had no idea of what a litter box was for. I put it in the bathroom so it was quiet and easy to clean. He used the floor at first, then the rug, then in about a week he started using the litter box (I kept showing it to him) and has never had an accident since. It wasn’t difficult to deal with, just be patient.

      After working on getting ‘Bandit’ used to being touched all over and learning to play I bought a carrier that opened from the top and front and lowered him in with blankets and off he went to the vet. He was 5 months old!! He didn’t look it to me at all, he was tiny for that age. He was vetted and neutered and came home with a fear of towels (used to wrap him up in) but none the worse for wear. Using the nape of the neck like a Momma cat works best in my view…just be gentle.

      Bandit has adopted another kitten recently (probably dumped from the same people again)…this one is small as well but has slowly trusted me enough to let me touch, pet, scratch during feeding outside. She has come in the door a couple of times and I’m about to make the apt for her vetting and ear tip. When I bring her home she will be kept inside for the winter. At this point they are both scaredy-cats outside but Bandit is absolutely a lover with licks, headbutts and sweet pats on my face.

      When you put kitty in the carrier have a blanket in there and use something to cover it, they feel very vulnerable and that helps to keep them calm.

      My two are mad for instapot chicken and chicken liquid. Spoiled kitty’s but they will do ANYTHING for chicken. You can really get their attention with it. I also feed dry food.

      Good luck and I hope you and your kitty have  a long and mutually beneficial relationship.

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      • #167493
        incognito
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        @haikugal

        Well, that’s encouraging!

        My little girl, I call her Blizzard (will probably rename her now) just to differentiate the 4 cats from one another Moose (a HUGE brown tab), Boots (gray tab with 4 white paws… He’s the dad of Blizzard’s kittens) and my newest guy I call Buddy.  And there’s an orange tab that drops by occasionally.

        When I trapped Blizzard,  she was taken to a local shelter and while she was there in her cage, she used the litter box. Now Boots was a different story! He never used it and just went in the cage on the newspaper. Not a clean boy at all – and extremely mean and MAD – feral. So I have high hopes Blizzard remembers using that litter box. 🙂

        Chicken…I can do chicken for her. I already know she favors fish over turkey and giblets cat food. Turns her nose up to anything but fish cat food. Fresh cooked chicken is too hard for any cat to pass up, I’m sure.

        Thanks for your help! I’m feeling a little bit better about bringing her in here. I think I’ll do the mobile vet for her first vet visit and then we can get to know each other before we take a carrier trip in the car. I will definitely get a carrier so she can get use to it before we need to use it.

        Thank you so much for your help!

         

        • #167638
          Haikugal
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          I just thought of something else…use your voice. My cats, even new kitty, come running when I call. I talk to them a lot so they get used to my voice and are soothed by it. Just a thought.

          We should have a thread with pictures of our cats…if I can figure out how to post them here I’ll try to start one. I like seeing everyone’s pets.

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          • #167763
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            @haikugal

            I will talk to her a lot. I talk to her now and she talks back with her tiny little meows. She’s real petite with a meow to match. 🙂  She’s so adorable.

            Hopefully, I’ll be able to welcome her in here and get a picture of her. I have never seen her during daylight hours. She always comes under cover of darkness. Either very late at night, but usually around 4:00am when it’s still dark. I’m up every morning at 4:00 to feed my babies. 😻

    • #167634
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      I have two cats, brother and sister that were feral (now totally lap cats….took about a year to really get friendly and demanding. lol) and we made a trap and hauled them in. If she comes in  and you capture her, even if she hides for a few days, make sure you have a few litter boxes for her to use. If you can get her isolated in one room is even better. Putting a large kennel out and doing her food in it helps a lot. Then you can just zip to up or latch it closed. Quickly. I agree old tees or something work well to get her used to your scent. Do not attempt to do handling by yourself at this early stage. The key is to get her less fearful and more acclimated to you and her surroundings. It will take time but rest assured, they come around.

      Cats can be so scared at a vet that they basically freeze sometimes so do not count on her being uncooperative necessarily. They deal with this stuff a lot. Sometimes they just give the shots while in kennel. The big thing is not to allow her to escape as she will become more fearful. She probably needs worming again as they get this through birds and rodents they feed on.

      You have a good heart to do this. I have four cats that live inside 24-7. They once were outdoor kits. Rescues. Bless your heart and good luck and keep us posted.

      Animals know more than we do.

    • #167704
      Utopian Leftist
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      The word ‘feral’ can be tricky. As it was explained to me, ‘feral’ can mean “of the wild,” but it is also a genetic condition. Some cats, even purebreds can have the feral gene. I had a cat with the feral gene, who had been domesticated by another family for the first year of his life. Here is what the vet told me when I first brought him home:

      For the first week, keep him in the bathroom; leave water but no food, twice per day, go in with a handful of food in your hand and let the cat eat out of your hand. This is a special bonding mechanism and my ‘feral gene’ cat bonded with me for his whole life. He was never especially affectionate with anyone else, but always so with me.

      Another thing I’ll share, though this is true with any long-haired cat: make brushtime fun! Have treats (they sell “Temptations” at any grocery store, my cat is crazy for them) for afterwards. If the cat has matted hair, there is a special, magic brush you can get, which gets those tangles out without hurting the cat. However, the important thing is that the cat must learn to adore the brush–a long-haired cat who doesn’t love the brush, daily, will quickly become miserable.

      Rewarding good behavior works much better with a cat than punishing them. They are not like dogs: they don’t see you as Supreme Household Leader. Yelling and clapping work well, but I have found that a simple squirt gun is the best discipline device available. Works like a charm on my current cat, who is a rebellious teenager in cat years, haha.

      One more thing: If you’re concerned about cost, forget about getting nails trimmed or taking the cat to a groomer. This is generally considered a luxury rather than a necessity. Unless you have expensive furniture or something, a cat’s nails are not a big concern, beyond making sure they have a piece of scratch furniture or a pad, and making sure they know that it is the only thing they are supposed to be scratching.

      Good luck! I’m interested in hearing how this story unfolds.

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    • #167705
      incognito
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      @glinda

      I’m a sucker for animals. I just can’t resist helping them. It kills me knowing they’re out there in -40 degree cold in the winter and 100 degree heat in the summer. I don’t know how they survive, but they do!

      Right now I have my office set up for her. It’s quiet and is only used occasionally. I have 2 litter boxes, so I’ll get the other filled for her too.

      It’s just me here, so I’m the only noise she’ll have to deal with…and the TV, so hopefully she will adapt quickly. I thought I would play it by ear as to when I call the mobile vet or take her to the vet.  If I think I can latch her up in her carrier without having to handle her, then I’ll call the vet and get her shots and wormed again. I think we’ll be fine. She has a sweet personality. I’ve never seen her hiss. Even when I trapped her she didn’t hiss at me. Boots did! He wanted to tear me apart he was so mad, but she just sat there looking at me with her sweet little face. I will take things slowly and on her terms, not mine.

      Thanks so much for your help! If/when I get her in here, I will definitely update and maybe figure out how to post a picture of her if I’m able to get one. 🙂 Again, thanks so much!

      • #167866
        glinda
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        @incognito Last winter we were the center of the Polar Vortex. One night went to -72 windchill. I braved the outdoors and opened the garage door, went out and bought two heaters and a heated water dish, a padded cat house and used blankets to throw on top of it. This was all to save a cat that living outdoors and skittish in terrible shape. He did live in the garage and survived it. He quit showing up months later sadly as I had hoped to capture him to take to the no kill shelter. But he would not have survived that weather pattern. Our last rescue, almost a year ago, was a declawed older female that we think someone dumped. She was an easy catch as she walked right into the soft carrier having been some one’s pet once. Brought her to the Humane No-kill as winter was coming and after over one month they still had her in the back room where she had gotten upper respiratory and depression. They had too many kittens and people wanted kittens not older cats. So out I bailed her and she now lives with us, my other three cats and my little portly dog. I think I am a dog person more but life just threw me a lot of fur balls so…..

        Animals know more than we do.

        • #167887
          incognito
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          @glinda

          Whoa! -72 holy moly and I thought -40 was bad!

          I can’t, for the life of me, imagine how a declawed cat could survive outside! That is so sad and cruel of her former owners. And bless your heart for taking her home with you!

          A few years ago, I was invaded by Chipmunks. They liked the birdseed I put out and they all came here to eat. I thought they were adorable until I found out how destructive they can be with their tunneling. One tunneled underneath my large fountain and that was it! I bought 2 humane no-kill traps and started trapping them. I drove each one 4 miles away and dropped them off on a country road on the other side of a busy highway so they couldn’t find their way back here. I ended up trapping 53 of them! On one of the trips to drop one off, my sister and I were releasing it and I heard a noise. I told my sister, “OMG, I didn’t know Chipmunks made noises! ” And then we hear a VERY LOUD MEOW! It was a little gray kitten hiding in the bushes. I called her and she came right to me! Someone had dumped her. 😭 It was July 4th 2017. She was only 4 months old.  Of course the Humane society wasn’t open so we kept her “just overnight until morning” HA! My sister, the cat lady, decided to keep her. A long-haired gray cat named Indy. 🙂 She’s now a spoiled rotten girl.

          I think cats have an innate ability to find ‘cat people’ or at the very least, compassionate people who won’t let them starve and who will care for them.

          They ALWAYS found my sister. And she always gave them a home, but none of them were ferals. She never went to a shelter to find a cat. They found her and at one point she had 5 of them. LOL…

          • #167944
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            @incognito Yes. I think you are right…they find people who are animal compassionate. When it was -72, humans were advised to not go out at all. I had to in order to put food and water in the garage. It was horribly cold. I fear it will be the normal weather pattern again. Was hard on me, even indoors.

            What a good sister. We had eleven rescues only a few years back Now down to 5, in part because we added the last three kitties. But they are safe, never go out and eat very well. Too many homeless.

            Animals know more than we do.

          • #167968
            LiberalElite
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            Heh.  Re: finding cat people.  An old friend (named Jewel) over the years had taken in numerous cats who hung around her house.  I joked that there must be a neon sign over her house only visible to cats that said “Eat at Jewel’s”.

            I feel much better since I gave up hope.

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    • #167881
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      First, I just want to give you a big hug for your kindness to animals. {{{{{hug}}}}}

      Second, my spouse used to hike in the mountains with some friends. They would regularly befriend this stray cat that hung around the mountains. Like you, they became concerned when winter rolled around, so they trapped the cat and brought it into their home. Here’s what they did that surprised me and that turned the kitty into a regular affectionate housecat:  wrapped it up in a towel and sat with the cat on a lap, petting it and showing it that it was among friends. I think with humans it’s called “bundling.”  Anyway, it worked.

      If the kitty crawls under the bed for a while, don’t worry. It will eventually come around.

       

    • #167894
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      Maybe already on it but House plants, think some can be toxic. Don’t have any so Not sure but better safe than sorry.

    • #167960
      Quinn
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      Nice,. Took a few in over the yrs. First ones (1st gen) were only gonna stay, rescuer had a home, they ended up staying, one made it 18 plus yrs. Of all took in, this one, still here, he was funny cause he just made himself right at home from the first minute.

    • #178103
      incognito
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      I was just going to update the OP, but the edit button is gone. 🙁  Soooo…

      I was going to invite Blizzard in last week until my son threw a wrench in that plan. I needed to dog sit over the weekend so I had to wait to bring her in here until today. So this morning, I put a bowl of tuna in my entryway and opened the door and invited her in. She waltzed in like she lives here! No coaxing needed! ☺️ She immediately went to the tuna, took 2 bites, then took a step into my kitchen to check it out and immediately ran to my screen door and started climbing it and crying to get out, so I let her out. She sat on the step waiting for the rest of her tuna so I put it out for her. She ate and left. 🙂

      I think if this repeats daily, she’ll eventually decide to stay… especially if it’s freezing cold with snow on the ground. At least I hope that’s the case. I’m not going to force her to stay. I want her to want to stay. I just hope she decides to stay before winter sets in!

      I told myself to mute the TV before I let her in and forgot to do that, so I’m sure that didn’t help matters at all. Talking in the background probably made her even more nervous. Tomorrow…I’ll remember to do that! I also turned on my interior entryway light so she could see better. Tomorrow I’ll turn on more lights. I normally don’t have on any lights except the TV and a couple of night light type lights. I’ll light up the house inside and see if that helps at all.

      Tomorrow’s another day! I’ll keep trying.

      Just wanted to give you the promised update!

      • #178118
        Haikugal
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        Aww @incognito keep trying. I did that with my little girl, Lily, she’d come in and run out until she let me handle her outside. Her second night inside she was on my bed licking me so much I wondered if my skin would hold up…LOL Now she’s greeting me when I come home and snuggles up with me on the couch. Sweet little girl. Your little girl will come around, especially with tuna!!

        As you say, hopefully before it gets too cold. Lily is on the list to be vetted and neutered.

        Good job you!!! Thanks for the update.

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    • #178113
      Quinn
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      , 2nd attempt hopefully the charm. Have to get name, or not maybe got one already. Good luck, sorry on edit, (having some issues here tonite), that happened once, brought one end but got freaked out but next attempt worked lot better, while ago but think other cats might of spooked her.

      • #178188
        incognito
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        @quinn

        I will rename her. I’ve always just called her Blizzard to differentiate her from the other cats I feed and it was easier when talking to other people about her to just call her Blizzard instead of “the black cat.” . But since she may be coming to stay, I will give her a new name. I usually just call her “sweetheart” when I talk to her…sometimes Blizzard, but I don’t think she recognizes that name yet, so hopefully a new name won’t be too difficult for her to get use to.

        Since she’s black, I’m naming her Olive!  And it fits her. 🙂

        I’ll keep working on her. She’s so sweet. She lets me pet her, so moving in shouldn’t be too big of a leap for her. I hope!

        Patience and tuna…and patience and tuna… 🙂

    • #178198
      Quinn
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      Nice, mentioned let’s u pet her. Yeah, been a while since last one in but yeah that was like big step, getting close, touch, pet (usually a meal helped for me. Did wanted to get back earlier, say thanks nice words ways back but going through some more health issues again, been an ongoing thing, and was just coming of a knee surgury, might be related, I think sound right but found blood in by hip, told me after test also one Dr mention burssitus of two spots and this lastest a new pain, nerve and spasms, although thank fully nerve stuff has calm down tonight, first time in days. They Put me down today finally for mri MRI, hopefully see if can get answers. Again thanks nice words, hope it works out. BTW, one mentioned on two attempts, vet told me she had infection, getting to vet saved her life, he said I did good. Another one here, youngest, is my alarm clock. At sun up if not she wake up people to want to be feed (leave dry but she wants the canned), yeah. Best part now I’m up, guess who go back to sleep. Anyhow, sorry for rambling and hope made sence, my focus been terrible this last week or two. But ty update

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