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    • #380413
      ThouArtThat
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      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
      - John F. Kennedy

      "The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it."
      - George Orwell

      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
      - Jiddu Krishnamurti

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    • #380420
      N2Doc
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      Yep, she should just shut up and be like Conor Lamb. Just vote like Nancy says and collect your checks…. (sarcasm). Maybe Jimmy could take a look at all the graft and corruption taking place in congress other than AOC?

       

    • #380424
      salemcourt
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      Referring to her as AOC is racist!

    • #380440
      JonLP
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      She is a first term congresswoman taking shit from all sides.

      Why doesn’t Jimmy and the rest of the Tulsi fan club criticize Krysten Simena or other blue dogs?

       

      OMG AOC criticizes GOP on foreign policy. How horrible!

       

      AOC used Joe Crowley’s Iraq war vote against him.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      • #380443
        Ohio Barbarian
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        All of them are. There’s also a natural tendency for people like Jimmy Dore and Glenn Greenwald to be harder on AOC and the Squad because they had higher expectations of them than they did for people like Sherrod Brown or Conor Lamb.

        Citizens who place personal loyalty to or feelings for individual politicians are marks for political con artistry. I don’t feel sorry for AOC. She said before she was elected that there was no way she’d vote for Pelosi as speaker, remember? How long did that last?

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

        • #380444
          JonLP
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          I even defend Biden from unfair criticism like that Hunter Biden laptop story.

          Krysten Sinema voted to confirm Barr and I hear no criticism. She is as pro Israel as they come and I hear no criticism.

          But I hear criticism for AOC voting in favor of the CARES Act which helped my mom collect expanded unemployment benefits when she was laid off.

          There are grifters on all sides and Dore is one of them.

          Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

          • #380445
            Ohio Barbarian
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            AOC ran as a progressive hellbent on taking the Democratic Party back for Democratic voters, and now look at her. Pelosi is Mama Bear? She endorsed Biden, and yes, she voted for the fucking CARES Act, the largest theft in human history, and I will never forgive her for that betrayal. They mortgaged your mother’s future for crumbs. What happens to her come January when the last of those benefits expire?

            And that’s what it was, a betrayal. By the whole Squad, by Bernie, by all of them. They would have gotten much more for all of us if they had just said No, not without UBI for the duration, for a couple of weeks. But they didn’t. Fucking cowards.

            I see no hope, none whatsoever, for reforming the Democratic Party from within. It corrupts all who gain power under its colors. They always, always bow down to power in the end. At least they have for the last 25 or so years.

            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

          • #380454
            Cold Mountain Trail
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            “There are grifters on all sides and Dore is one of them”

             

            Found his niche, he did.  Criticizing the left when it barely exists anymore.

            Hard gig that.  Wonder who it serves.

            • #380487
              Ohio Barbarian
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              The “leftist” Democrats in Congress have certainly not acted as they would if they were truly leftists. Either they did not intend to be leftists, or else they are grossly incompetent as legislators.

              Either way, I don’t have to like that situation, or to cheer for these “progressives” who betrayed the material interests of my community and of my economic class, whatever their motives were. I’m glad to see people like Jimmy Dore and Kyle Kulinski calling them out. They should be called out.

              It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

              Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

              • #380501
                Cold Mountain Trail
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                they should be called out but not to the exclusion of most everything else.  which is dore’s schtick these days .

                and personally, under the circumstances in congress right now I don’t see a lot of room for action for ‘the left’ in congress — which is probably about 10 people if you got down to brass tacks on it.

                bernie’s rider stategy is one tactic.  there should be others but the bully pulpit is certainly another.

                • #380543
                  Yanath
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                  @coldmountaintrail

                  Your posts are scarcely coherent because they’re just vehicles for your slurs. People who serve the interests of corporations and the wealthy are not leftists.

                  JD doesn’t want ‘progressives’ in the Democratic establishment to sheepdog real progressives and working-class non-voters into its fold. He wants to encourage those people to look elsewhere for their interests to be represented, not be fooled by fake progressivism into embracing that which is destroying us.

                  People who don’t see the need for a third party that represents the interests of working-class people and a radical departure from the status quo, are in serious denial about the nature of our system.

                  • #380616
                    Cold Mountain Trail
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                    @yanath

                    the “grifter” line is a quote from another poster.

                    and if you notice, i used scare quotes around ‘left’ — which is an acknowledgment that the congressional left doesn’t really deserve the name

                    but if you can read dore’s mind & mine, you’re doing better than most humans

                    read my posts more carefully please, they’re usually short

                     

    • #380585
      sadoldgirl
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      @coldmountaintrail:

      Please show evidence of JD being a grifter instead

      of just using this as a smear.

      Bernie allowed himself twice to be a sheepherder,

      and AOC is following his example. She voted for the

      Cares Act, but claimed later that she was against it.

      She did not fight against another term for the speaker,

      but claims “We have to pay people to stay home”when

      she knows that Pelosi did not even try that. Always

      look at their votes instead of listening to their words.

      These kind of “progressives” are used by the party to

      fool the true left and JD wants us to recognize it.

      • #380617
        Cold Mountain Trail
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        @sadoldgirl

        “Please show evidence of JD being a grifter instead of just using this as a smear.”

        –why didn’t you make this request of the poster I quoted?

        Dore is a comedian who found a niche with selective outrage also

        i doubt my ‘smear’ (which is actually just my opinion, as you’d call your ‘sheepdog’ statement an opinion, not a ‘smear’) will do him any harm

        jpr isn’t his go-to source for his monologues, i assume

         

    • #380603
      jerry611
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      Anyone who believes the Democratic party is “anti-war” is a fucking idiot. Sorry if that’s harsh, but I’m not going to be nice in the face of such stupidity. Jimmy is right. Biden will do every little thing the MIC tells him to do. He’ll destabilize Syria. He’ll heat up Yemen even more than it is now. He’ll attempt another coup in Venezuela, and perhaps even Bolivia. He’ll attempt to expand NATO, and try to force the Russians out of Crimea, sparking another cold war. The MIC will be flooded with cash for years to come.

      AOC is either being stupid or just touting the party line so not to rock the boat. But someone needs to start rocking it. Otherwise they are equally complicit.

    • #380615
      Captain Arizona
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      This sounds like we would be better off with joe crowley. AOC has done far more then anyone has a right to expect. She is fighting the corporate state while she tries to defends the people of her district. I am 71 years old and have seen the left devour itself with purist clap trap for 60 years. If you think AOC is not doing the best she can under difficult if not nearly impossible conditions try running for office yourself and see how far you get. Hillary clinton lost twice for being a war monger in the democratic party. Let see what happens if biden starts war mongering. Every election the left gets stronger while the purist whine.

    • #380618
      Fugitive Birdie
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      I enjoy Jimmy Dore but he is not being helpful to continuously call the squad out for gaslighting and sheepherding.

      They have to do what they can with the cards they are dealt.

      The MPP is getting started and these reps can switch parties anytime they want.

      It is up to us as a movement.

      We are more than doubling the number of elected representatives we could call progressive every 2 years (2,4,10…).

      Hopefully a third party can increase that rate.

      It makes sense for a third party candidate to run in places where the Democratic Party is so bad it could never win anyway.

      If we could reach 100 progressives in 4 years and have a strong candidate for President then the situation will have changed.

      I don’t fault Jimmy Dore for pointing out the flaws, but punching sideways is just not helpful.

      • #380633
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Helpful to whom? Helpful for what purpose?

        How is Dore harming anything or anyone? I’m not sure what you mean. Others would mean he should just STFU and not criticize progressives when they don’t act progressive because Go Team!

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

        • #380916
          Fugitive Birdie
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          Imagine running for office to change things and being attacked by everyone including those who claim to want progressive change.

          • #380925
            game meat
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            ….if the threat of getting criticized by people like Jimmy Dore is enough to deter you from running for office, then you’re probably not cut out for that line of work. If your ego is that fragile, what use could you possibly be as a fighter for any kind of change? Then again, I don’t buy into the line of thinking where our elected officials are doing us a favor, or making some kind of a sacrifice, or that we should act as bodyguards for the ones with whom we share ideological similarities, that we should act as if we are blinded by love and devotion the way a parent can be with their children.

            Now, I don’t mean you necessarily, but there sure seems to be lot of people who seem to see ANY criticism of AOC and the squad as unfair “attacks.” JD is flawed is his own way, but he does add a certain balance that absolutely has its place.

            Jimmy Dore is harsh sometimes, and I don’t agree with every single thing he says, but I’ll take someone who tends to be too critical over the personality cultists who jump up and down cheering wildly every time their favorite politicians do something, often contorting themselves into embarrassing positions trying to justify the bad/stupid stuff their heroes say or do.

             

            • #381020
              Fugitive Birdie
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              But it seems Jimmy Dore has been extremely focused on attacking the Progressives without balance by addressing good things.

              I am a Jimmy Dore fan but I am left cringing through many of his videos. One voice on this forum even had to ask who he is serving as Jimmy Dore had been bought off.

              My guess is that he has found an expanding audience among those who just hate everything and everyone.

              Ultimately I agree we need to start a new party. However, I think that having increasing progressive members within the system, who can switch to a new party, makes both stronger and influential.

          • #380938
            Ohio Barbarian
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            I didn’t used to, but after the CARES Act, I don’t trust any of them.

            It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

            Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #380990
      closeupready
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      AOC did indeed have a choice. She could have withheld an endorsement for president. What did she do? She endorsed pro-war Joe Biden. He would have won the race WITHOUT her endorsement, so she gained NOTHING for liberals or peaceniks by endorsing him. I imagine she was promised some kind of advancement or committee assignment if she did, which is great for her, but not for people who are killed in war (but who cares about them, right?).

      On this, I’m with Jimmy Dore.

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

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