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    Are articles critical of the "White Helmets" censored on this forum.

    At least three have been locked as of late so instead of wasting posters time in posting and responding to those threads, just formally rollout the “censored topics list” and be done with it?

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    • truly (99 posts)
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      2. Deja vu. eom

    • HassleCat (1507 posts)
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      3. I hope not

      There is legitimate concern as to whether or not they are who they claim to be.

    • Bearian (392 posts)
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      4. Seems so,, they want us to talk about barrel bombs instead.

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    • senz (5386 posts)
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      6. Thank you. What a troubling trend this is.

      I’ve seen two threads that provided information about White Helmet history and backers closed down (one is down, one is on review) and one excellent OP featuring a video of a very clear, logical Canadian journalist giving straightforward information about Syria to a U.S. journalist is now on review.  The Canadian journalist, Eva Bartlett, barely mentioned the White Helmets; she was talking mainly about Aleppo and the situation in Syria.

      Why  would JPR want to censor such discussions?

    • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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      7. Is there a problem?

      I don’t think it’s necessarily the subject, so I wonder what it could be…….

      "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
      • Bearian (392 posts)
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        8. The poster?

      • senz (5386 posts)
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        9. Well that's mighty coy. This is a Q & A forum.

        You responded with …

        7. Is there a problem?
        I don’t think it’s necessarily the subject, so I wonder what it could be…….

        This is not a place for snideness and gaminess.   It’s a place where users bring up problems and staff addresses their concerns respectfully.

        • Haikugal (6091 posts)
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          10. Maybe he wasn't being snide or playing a game. I didn't know there

          was an issue either until I saw this and am interested in hearing the answer. SFFH isn’t admin or Mod as far as I know. :shrug:

            Be the bird.....       Hey DNC! Up Yours! It's ON!! Kick against the pricks!!!
          • senz (5386 posts)
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            13. Someone posted an OP about the White Helmet documentary last week.

            I can’t find it with a search because the thread was locked.  I noticed the thread and commented on it on Feb.23 after getting back from a viewing of the documentary.  Then Deadpool and the person who wrote comment #7 came into the thread and disparaged it right before it was locked.  So I have reason to believe this person knows more about the reason — whatever it is — for these thread lockings than he let on.

            • Haikugal (6091 posts)
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              14. Ok.

                Be the bird.....       Hey DNC! Up Yours! It's ON!! Kick against the pricks!!!
            • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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              15. It's the power of the dark side.

              Seriously. The force is strong with me.

              "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
              • Haikugal (6091 posts)
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                16. You can't sneak up on someone with your avatar….LOL

                  Be the bird.....       Hey DNC! Up Yours! It's ON!! Kick against the pricks!!!
                • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                  20. I'm not the ones being sneaky.

                  I’m just your ordinary concerned citizen. My power lies in being able to tell fact from fiction and they no likey that.

                  "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
                  • Gryneos (1878 posts)
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                    87. You must be Jeff Vader then.

                    Death Star Canteen
                    But there must have been a Death Star canteen, yeah? There must have been a cafeteria downstairs, in between battles, where Darth Vader could just chill and go down.

                    (Vader voice) “I will have the penne a la arabiata.”
                    (canteen server) “You’ll need a tray.”
                    “Do you know who I am?”
                    “Do you know who I am?”
                    “This is not a game of who the fuck are you. For I am Vader. Darth Vader. Lord Vader. I can kill you with a single thought!”
                    “Well you’ll still need a tray.”
                    “No I will not need a tray. I do not need a tray to kill you. I can kill you without a tray, with the power of the Force – which is strong within me – even though I could kill you with a tray if I so wished. For I would hack at your neck with the thin bit until the blood flowed across the canteen floor?”
                    “No, the food is hot. You’ll need a tray to put the food on.”
                    “Oh I see, the food is hot. I’m sorry I, I did not realise. Hah hah! I thought you were challenging me to a fight to the death.”
                    “Fight to the death? This is canteen, I work here.”
                    “Yes, but I am Vader, I am Lord Vader. Everyone challenges me to a fight to the death. Lord Vader. Darth Vader, I am Darth Vader, Lord Vader. Sir Lord Vader, Sir Lord Darth Vader. Lord Darth Sir Lord Vader of Cheam. Sir Lord Baron von Vaderham. The Deathstar. I run the Deathstar.”
                    “What’s the Deathstar?”
                    (Darth is losing a bit of patience)
                    “This is the Deathstar. You’re in the Deathstar. I run this star.”
                    “This is a star?”
                    “This is a fucking star – I run it. I’m your boss.”
                    “You’re Mr Stephens?”
                    “No, I’m–who is Mr Stephens?”
                    “He’s head of catering.”
                    “I’m not head of catering! I am Vader. I can kill catering with a thought.”
                    “What?”
                    “I can kill you all. I can kill me with a thought. Just–I’ll get a tray, fuck it!
                    (Still Vader) This one’s wet, and this one’s wet, and this one’s wet. This one is wet, this one is wet, this one is wet, this one is wet, this one is wet, this one is wet, this one is wet, this one is wet. Did you dry these in a rain forest? Why, with the power of the Deathstar, do we not have a tray that is fucking dry? I do not–(someone has pushed in)–No, no, no. I was here first.”
                    “You have to form a queue if you want food. Can I have, oh, penne a la arabiata, that looks nice.”
                    “No, no, no. Do you know who I am?”
                    (server buts in) “That’s Jeff Vader, that is.”
                    “I am not Jeff Vader, I am Darth Vader.”
                    “What, Jeff Vader runs the Deathstar?”
                    “No, Jeff–No, I run the Deathstar.”
                    “You Jeff Vader?”
                    “No, I’m Darth Vader!”
                    “Are you his brother? Can you get his autograph?”
                    “I can’t get it–No, I’m–All right, I’m Jeff Vader! I’m Jeff Vader!”
                    “Can I have your autograph?”
                    “No, fuck off, or I’ll kill you with a tray! Give me penne a la arabiata or you shall die. And you, and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!”
                    (scornful server) “Do you want peas with that?”
                    “Peas? You don’t have peas! You can’t put red with–It doesn’t work with penne, you don’t put, unless you push them up the penne tubes, and then they’d be weird! Just–(gives up)–oh, all right, put some peas on.”
                    Eddie Izzard – Circle

                    "That's Jeff Vader, that is."__"I am not Jeff Vader, I am Darth Vader."__"What, Jeff Vader runs the Deathstar?"__"No, Jeff… No, I run the Deathstar."__"You Jeff Vader?"__"No, I'm Darth Vader!"__"Are you his brother? Can you get his autograph?"__"I can't get it… No, I'm… All right, I'm Jeff Vader! I'm Jeff Vader!"__"Can I have your autograph?"__"No, fuck off, or I'll kill you with a tray! Give me penne a la arabiata or you shall die. And you, and everyone in this canteen! Death by tray it shall be!" Eddie Izzard, Circle
              • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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                17. The Dark Side seems prevalent around the white Helmets.

                • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                  21. Not so.

                  The dark side are those who make suggestions to the character of people or groups without thinking about what the truth may be. Take guilt by association. Take whispers of bad without thought or proof.

                  That’s the dark side.

                  "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
                  • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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                    22. We have, perhaps, differing definitions of the "dark side."

                    • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                      24. I'd say that we have a lot of differing definitions

                      on a lot of subjects. Like reality and test-ability and all that type of stuff to start with.

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                      "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
                  • polly7 (2614 posts)
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                    23. We've pointed out over and over for months (years elsewhere)

                    what the truth is.  Hundreds of articles, video and first-person testimonials by independent journalists risking all and spending years documenting the reality of the Syrian atrocity – who is who and what is fake.

                    If that’s the dark side, I’d rather be included in it, just as those of us who questioned mushroom clouds, incubator babies, Viagra being used as a weapon of war, etc. etc. etc. would now also be.

                    Fuck regime-change, the warmongers who instigate it, all those who fund it, and especially – the propagandists essential to making it acceptable – over and over and over.

                     

                    http://thefreethoughtproject.com/syrian-war-propaganda-film-wins-an-oscar-the-white-helmets-scam-academy-awards-edition/

                    • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                      25. I'm only pointing out the obvious……

                      There are many ways to describe what Syria has become, not just yours. Once upon a time a really smart dude posited that there is no absolute frame of reference, and changed our perception of reality about everything in the universe.

                      At least he changed those capable of understanding his ideas to see through emotions and unwarranted speculation.

                      Tell me, are their any hero’s in Syria, and by whose definition are they heroic? What if I disagree, are they then hero’s? My what slippery things facts are.

                      "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
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                      • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                        30. You don't know what I'm asking then.

                        In fact, you are so invested in your ‘beliefs’ that you blind yourself to the truth. There appears to be a following of this method. Unfortunately that only means that it becomes the blind following the blind.

                        Is it the trunk or the tail? You can’t answer the questions because you have no idea what frame of reference actually means and how to apply it to diverse problems.

                        So, I ask again, name the hero(s) and then let’s examine them from the other side of the story and see if they remain hero’s. Therein lies your dilemma, finding the hero who is such from all perspectives.

                        You should be careful making accusations such as bullshit deflections, considering the fact you won’t even answer some direct pointed questions and instead wander off into something unrelated.

                        "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
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                      • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                        32. Personal attacks?

                        I just want an answer. It seems that everyone still evades it with everything they can throw including the kitchen sink. It would seem to me that it is not I making attacks, that perhaps it is others. Emotions are not conducive to discerning the truth and some should be scaled back.

                        Once again, I am just asking for someone to tell me who the heros are in Syria. This is a critical question since it would appear that people are willing to vilify a group of individuals yet seem unable to point out what reference point they are using to determine good from bad. Without that information the whole issue is moot. We can worry about what constitutes proof if and when I find out who the good guys are.

                        "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
                      • polly7 (2614 posts)
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                        33. I didn't evade fuck all.

                        You ignore everything provided that doesn’t fit your pro-propaganda bias, so look it up yourself.

                      • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                        34. So,

                        it would appear that all of the information needed to make a rational decision is unknown.

                        I have continuously asked members of the anti-white helmet group for any real and verifiable facts regarding any terrorist activity of the white helmets and none has ever been offered.

                        I am attempting to determine upon which definition this group uses to determine the most important of all things, just who the good guys are. Without this foundation reference point all discussion of good v bad is moot and meaningless, and the discussion is limited to attacks against the white helmets using guilt by association where the guilt is assumed because we don’t know what ‘good’ actually is.

                        And it would appear that this merry go round gets me exactly nowhere.

                        Why discuss something that has no value? To be valuable it must produce something useful and even that end has no definition in these endless tirades. I suppose that it may be useful if it’s used to be able to express an outrage at something so amorphous it has no foundation, no comparable relationships and no actual evidence of wrongdoing.

                        I guess I’ll just have to keep asking so I can make a reasonable stab at determining what the truth actually is.

                         

                         

                        "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
                      • polly7 (2614 posts)
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                        38. Go play your silly 'game' with someone else.

                        I believe using lies and propaganda to profit from suffering and death is sick, and to make the horror of illegal intervention acceptable using it (and on to the next – 7 countries in 5 years – a little slow, but they’re getting there, right?), absolutely evil.  But then I also found it so in Iraq, Libya and every other place the empire’s caused the ruin of millions of human lives – actual people who once had futures.

                        You disagree.  No biggie.

                        But many of us actually care.

                         

                         

                         

                        Wow.  All my posts with information on the White Helmet propaganda are being zapped.  So odd ……… the EXACT same thing happened to me wrt providing proof against the mushroom clouds and incubator babies.

                        I guess some just believe propaganda and lies that enable death, suffering, mutilation, homelessness, excruciating poverty, hunger, hopelessness …………. are fine.  Not really a progressive view at all, imho.

                         

                        Massive White Helmets Photo Cache
                        CIA likes them. State Department gives them money. British government gives them money.

                        Welcome to the new insanity where Al Qaeda wins Oscars. And the sheeple eat it up, comfortable in Plato’s Cave.

                        https://politicalfilm.wordpress.com/2017/02/27/more-white-helmet-terrorist-evidence/

                         

                        And while undoubtedly war is raging in eastern Aleppo, it should be noted that the vast majority of Aleppo’s population – 1.75 million in fact – live in the government-controlled majority of Aleppo. But despite this reality, the West and its allies – including Saudi Arabia – have attempted to use their sway over international public opinion to exaggerate Syrian security operations and fabricate a “humanitarian catastrophe” to serve as yet another pretext for wider Western intervention.

                        Central to this appeal to public opinion has been the so-called “White Helmets,” also referred to as the “Syrian Civil Defence” despite the nation of Syria already having a legitimate, professional civil defense force.

                        Posing as an impartial rescue force, the “White Helmets” are transparently auxiliaries serving exclusively side-by-side armed militants including US State Department, UN, and EU designated foreign terrorist organizations. Their primary function is not “rescuing” anyone, but to manage a public relations campaign aimed at swaying public and political opinion, leveraging “humanitarian” sympathy worldwide.

                        Their primary means of doing this is publishing photos and videos of their members – wearing elaborate, matching uniforms and driving brand new ambulances – pulling dust and blood covered victims from rubble allegedly brought down upon them by Syrian and Russian airstrikes.

                        ……….

                        With a sectarian extremist political party like the Muslim Brotherhood, an armed force comprised of Al Qaeda and other extremist groups, and an array of complicit alleged NGOs including the “White Helmets,” the US and its allies have attempted to create a parallel state within Syria – a parallel state it hopes will eventually inherit the entirety of Syria’s territory, just as violent sectarian terrorist factions have assumed control over Libya – deconstructing it as a functioning nation state and plunging its people into open-ended, perpetual catastrophe that is reverberating across the planet in the form of terrorism and migrant crises.

                        The US and its partners are posing as fighting against terrorism, while carving out entire nations for Al Qaeda and its affiliates everywhere from the North African nation of Libya, to the  ‎Levantine nation of Syria. It is a foreign policy in reality that cannot be sustained with the unraveling rhetoric used to promote and perpetuate it on the global stage, particularly in front of the UN.
                        http://journal-neo.org/2016/09/28/us-in-syria-how-to-build-a-terror-state/

                         

                        Hundreds of links like these from sources inside and outside of Syria posted here – mostly gone now.  The information on the propaganda group isn’t difficult to find at all.  I just really wonder why some seem to hate so much even seeing it discussed?

                         

                      • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                        41. I don't disagree.

                        I just want to know who doesn’t in that pit of vipers.

                        Or even right here in the good ole’ US of A.

                        So, I can now assume that it doesn’t actually matter if the WH are actually terrorists, it’s that they ‘make a profit’ from the pain and misery. So where do they spend their ill gotten gains?

                        Oh, and I guess that it is to be assumed they provide no services to those most in need, contrary to all other sources of information.

                        Leads me to wonder just who is playing which games.

                        "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
                      • polly7 (2614 posts)
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                        45. I don't wonder about it at all. You've made yourself

                        perfectly clear.

                      • arendt (1432 posts)
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                        48. Here is just a four graph snip of facts from last year.

                        ‘White Helmets’ — pawns for U.S. militarism

                        The much-hyped White Helmets is not a Syrian organization, nor was it created by Syrians, nor is it educational. It is a U.S.-British creation. Former British Army officer James Le Mesurier, self-described as a British “security” specialist, founded it. He previously worked for Blackwater, the mercenary organization universally condemned for its murderous brutality in Iraq.
                        The White Helmets’ website declares the group is “unfunded, independent and neutral.” At an April 27 press conference, U.S. State Department Deputy Spokesperson Mark Toner acknowledged the organization has received $23 million from the U.S. Agency for International Development. That agency’s website explains, “Our work … advances U.S. foreign policy objectives.”

                        Additionally, the White Helmets receives millions of dollars from billionaire financier George Soros, the Netherlands and the British Foreign Office. Equipment and vehicles come through Turkey.

                        The White Helmets has never functioned as a neutral force. While attacking the Syrian government and calling for more U.S., British and NATO bombing, the group functions exclusively in Syrian areas held by the Nusra Front, a terrorist organization linked to al-Qaida. This well-funded group operates on the ground with U.S.-, British-, Israeli- and Saudi-funded militias committed to destroying Syria’s government.

                        Do you dispute that:

                        the organization was founded by an ex-Blackwater mercenary.

                        the organization is funded by the notorious USAID organization, which is the public front of regime change operations.

                        I’m trying to keep it simple here. Direct statement of fact. Expecting direct answer.

                         

                      • MannyGoldstein (2286 posts)
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                        49. Carter foundation also got millions from U.S. AID

                        Does that demonstrate that they’re terrorists, or a fraud!

                        "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" - Upton Sinclair
                      • arendt (1432 posts)
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                        58. USAID is a front for the CIA. Fronts mix cover with covert

                        Are you saying you are so naive you do not understand how intelligence agencies operate?

                        BTW, are you accepting the FACT that White Helmets get money from USAID or not?

                      • MannyGoldstein (2286 posts)
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                        62. I assume that it's true.

                        My point is that it’s not particularly incriminating.

                        "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" - Upton Sinclair
                      • arendt (1432 posts)
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                        66. I'm just trying to get things on the record.

                        The extreme demands for not just cites, but sites from “trusted” sources, makes me want a solid foundation in place at each step. It’s quite clear that this is a “controversial” topic for some people here.


                         

                      • polly7 (2614 posts)
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                        50. Thanks, arendt. But you won't get any direct answers. Count on it.

                      • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                        55. Just like the ones I'm getting.

                        Those, gee look over here not at the facts because we don’t have any, answers.

                        Still waiting for any one single act of terrorism perpetrated by this ultimately evil group and/or of all the thousands and thousands of power mad terrorists that ARE there, who the good guys are.

                        "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
                      • polly7 (2614 posts)
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                        56. ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ………..

                        White Helmets are funded by Western governments which want ‘regime change’. White Helmets pick up bodies after execution. White Helmets carry weapons and celebrate jihadi victories. White Helmets ONLY work in areas dominated by Nusra or an ally. White Helmets actively campaign for a No Fly Zone. (Sooo reminiscent of Libya – pretty fucking evil to do it all over again after all that horror – ongoing, but it did work there!)


                        …….
                        Lamb echoes the White Helmet propaganda that they have saved “65,000 Syrian citizens, many being their neighbours, families and friends”.
                        This is extreme exaggeration. The areas controlled by the terrorists have very few civilians living in them. A medical doctor visiting east Aleppo two years described it as a ‘ghost town’. When cat videos were popular on social media, the White Helmet video team produced their own fake cat video. It showed White Helmet members playing with stray cats in empty neighbourhoods. They say, “The homeowners abandoned this district and its kittens.” Yes, most of the civilians abandoned it because the terrorists invaded it.

                        http://theduran.com/the-continuing-story-of-the-white-helmets-hoax/

                        ‘V’ for victory!  Standing on the bodies of dead Syrian gov’t soldiers (who probably had families, people who loved them).  One White Helmet ‘heroic saviour’ admits these human beings are taken to the garbage dumps.
                        http://theduran.com/oscar-documentary-short-goes-isis-al-qaeda/

                        Best comment:

                        Doom Sternz • a day ago
                        We would like to thank all those who made the mass murder possible, the CIA, without their funding and weapons none of it would of been possible. We would like to thank the Turkish government for providing the studios to film in and the UK government for the millions they gave. We would like to thank the MSM for continuing to lie on our behalf and of course the Academy.

                         

                        http://theduran.com/the-cia-and-deep-state-have-controlled-us-media-and-hollywood-for-decades

                        Syria White Helmets Humanitarians or ‘Executioners’

                        Published on May 20, 2016
                        In this UK Column News special, Mike Robinson speaks to Vanessa Beeley about Syria’s “first responder” group, the White Helmets who are being pushed forward for nomination for a Nobel Peace Prize. Do they deserve it?

                        For more background on this, please see our previous interview from November last year: http://youtu.be/mLa9ztvAGWw

                        Also see Vanessa’s articles on 21st Century Wire:

                        Syria’s White Helmets: War by Way of Deception – Part I

                        Part II – Syria’s White Helmets: War By Way of Deception ~ ‘Moderate Executioners’

                        ‘Humanitarian’ Propaganda War Against Syria – Led by Avaaz and The White Helmets

                         

                         

                        Seven Steps of Highly Effective Manipulators
                        White Helmets, Avaaz, Nicholas Kristof and Syria No Fly Zone

                        by Rick Sterling / April 9th, 2015

                        You might think that after seeing the consequences of their campaign for “freedom and democracy” in Libya, journalists like Nicholas Kristof and “humanitarian campaigners” like Avaaz would have some qualms.

                        Unfortunately they have learned nothing. They have generally not been held to account, with a few nice exceptions such as this Greenwald/Hussain article. And now they are at it again. Many well-intentioned but naive members of the U.S. and international public are again being duped into signing an Avaaz petition based on fraud and misinformation. If the campaign succeeds in leading to a No Fly Zone in Syria, it will result in vastly increased war, mayhem and bloodshed.

                        The following illustration shows the sequence and trail of deceit leading to Avaaz’s call for a No Fly Zone in Syria.

                        The following illustration shows the sequence and trail of deceit leading to Avaaz’s call for a No Fly Zone in Syria.

                        ……….

                        Nicholas Kristof/New York Times
                        The “White Helmets” campaign has been highly successful because of uncritical media promotion.  Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times was an advocate of the NATO/US attack on Libya. According to him, villagers who had been shot, injured and their homes destroyed were not bitter, they were thankful! . “Hugs from Libyans” is how he viewed it.  It was, of course, nonsense, helping to pave the way in the invasion and destruction of the country.

                        Now Kristof is uncritically promoting the White Helmets, aiding and abetting their political and propaganda message seeking foreign intervention in Syria.

                        ………

                        Avaaz is an online lobby organization founded in 2007 by Jeremy Heimans (now CEO of Purpose) and others. Start-up funding was provided by George Soros’ foundation. While Avaaz has promoted some worthy causes, they have been prominent in promoting neoliberal foreign policies in keeping with the U.S. State Department. Accordingly, they had a major disinformation campaign against Venezuela last year.

                        ……….

                         

                        SYRIA: AVAAZ, PURPOSE & THE ART OF SELLING HATE FOR EMPIRE

                        September 17, 2014
                        by Cory Morningstar

                        The organization Avaaz was instrumental in building public approval for the No Fly Zone for the illegal invasion of Libya in 2011. The NATO-led destabilization/illegal war in Libya resulted in the annihilation of a formerly sovereign country that has since descended into brutal chaos. Tens upon thousands of Libyans died and the most savage ethnic cleansing that the mind can imagine has been widespread. The destruction of Libya has been nothing less than a full-scale bloodbath.

                        …………

                        When Avaaz rolled out the same rinse, lather and repeat campaign for the seizing of Syria, the public did not fall prey as easily. The campaign failed. Below are three separate links to the Avaaz campaign calling for a no-fly zone over Syria.

                        ………..

                        Where, under the organization Avaaz, the public hasn’t acquiesced to an air strike on Syria, the New York public relations firm Purpose Inc. has stepped in.

                        Purpose is a for-profit enterprise that is marketed to appear like a non-profit. Their area of expertise is behavioural change.

                        …………..

                        The New York public relations firm Purpose has created at least four anti-Assad NGOs/campaigns: The White Helmets, Free Syrian Voices [3], The Syria Campaign [4] and March Campaign #withSyria.

                        http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2014/09/17/syria-avaaz-purpose-the-art-of-selling-hate-for-empire/

                         

                         

                        THE WHITE HELMETS


                        FIRST RESPONDERS: White Helmet ‘humanitarians’ moonlighting with Al Nursa terrorists. 

                        The White Helmets have perhaps the most diverse array of backers and donors.  The Majority of which have been covered in previous in- depth investigations and include the US State Department via USAID, UK Foreign Office, EU, Netherlands, Syrian Opposition factions & mercenary assassin recruitment agencies, but naturally still following the yellow brick road back to Soros.

                        For a full analysis of the White Helmet’s funding: Syria’s White Helmets: War by Way of Deception Part 1 & 2


                        In the photo above, White Helmets displaying banners calling for the burning and destruction of Kafarya and Foua, two Idlib Shia villages under partial siege from Ahrar al Sham and Jabhat Al Nusra since 2011, full siege since March 2015. An “unbiased” display of naked Wahhabi sectarianism by the Humanitarian heroes, idolised by Western governments, media and audiences worldwide.

                        For further insight into the terrifying Ahrar al Sham and Al Nusra siege of Kafarya and Foua, please read Eva Bartlett’s series in Counterpunch:  Untold Suffering in Kafarya & Foua.

                        ………

                        “Soros-financed Human Rights Watch has played a major role in falsely portraying ISIS and Al Qaeda civilian bombings and other atrocities as the work of the Assad regime, building support for military action from the US and EU.” ~ William Engdahl Syria Plays Both Ends in the Syrian Refugee Crisis

                        …….

                        http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/04/22/george-soros-anti-syria-campaign-impresario/#ifrndnloc

                         

                        The Information War on Syria and Beyond
                        by Rick Sterling / December 30th, 2016

                        …………

                        A huge amount of money has gone to “activists” and “civil society” groups in Syria as well as in the USA and west. These groups have shaped and manipulated public opinion. The fact they are recipients or contractors of one or more governments directly involved in trying to overthrow the Syrian government has generally been ignored or hidden.

                        In North America, representatives from the Syrian Local Coordination Committees (LCC) were frequent guests on popular media programs such as DemocracyNow. The message was clear: there is a “revolution” in Syria against a “brutal regime” personified in Bashar al Assad. It was not mentioned that the “Local Coordination Committees” have been primarily funded by the West, specifically the Office for Syrian Opposition Support which was founded by the United States Department of State and UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office.

                        More recently, news and analysis about Syria has been conveyed through the filter of the White Helmets, also known as Syrian Civil Defense. The White Helmets were stated to be neutral, non-partisan, civilian volunteers courageously carrying out rescue work in the war zone. In fact, the group is none of the above. It was initiated by the US and UK using a British military contractor and Brooklyn based marketing company. While they may have performed some genuine rescue operations, the White Helmets is primarily a media organization with a political goal: to promote NATO intervention in Syria. The manipulation of public opinion using the White Helmets and promoted by the NY Times and Avaaz petition for a No Fly Zone in Syria is documented here. The White Helmets hoax continues to be widely believed and receive uncritical promotion but is increasingly being exposed as the creation of a “shady PR firm”. White Helmet individuals have been used as the source for important news stories despite a track record of deception.

                        ……..

                        DemocracyNow has done repeated interviews with proponents of the “Syrian revolution” and never with analysts who say this is a war of aggression. This, despite the fact that many prominent international figures see it as such. For example, the former Foreign Minister of Nicaragua and former President of the UN General Assembly, Father Miguel D’Escoto, has said, “What the U.S. government is doing in Syria is tantamount to a war of aggression, which, according to the Nuremberg Tribunal, is the worst possible crime a State can commit against another State.”

                        ………

                        (Anyone who doesn’t know this was a war of aggression exactly as it was in Libya hasn’t been paying attention, and I’m sure that Amy Goodman has.  Why there were no interviews from Syrians who didn’t support this atrocity – or their advocates – was beyond me, until I dug deeper.)

                        Democracy Now! Criminal Cheerleaders for US-NATO-GCC’s Perpetual Conflict and Bloodshed in Syria
                        NOVEMBER 26, 2016
                        Vanessa Beeley
                        21st Century Wire

                        “A closer look at what Goodman’s “Democracy Now” is reporting on Syria shows that the purported critical broadcaster has become a purveyor of Western government propaganda. While the mainstream media’s propaganda function is obvious to the informed public, Goodman’s “Democracy Now” plays a more subtle role. Camouflaged with the trappings of critical, independent journalism, “Democracy Now” serves to sow powerful seeds of misinformation in a way that the “compromised” mainstream media cannot.” ~ Finian Cunningham 2012

                         

                        Not forgetting that Democracy Now! supported the White Helmets without question, despite the daily mounting evidence of their role as a terrorist support group inside Syria, producing the fabricated evidence needed to faciliate greater US coalition intervention and enabling calls for a No Fly Zone, widely recognised as a declaration of war with Russia to be fought on Syrian soil.

                        ……..

                        Democracy Now! may have started life as an “independent” news source but its absorption into the foundation funded corporate media league happened long ago.

                        ……….

                        There are further claims from Discover the Networks of indirect funding from criminal hedge fund manager, George Soros, who has a multitude of NGOs working inside and outside Syria to spin the web of deceit and propaganda against the Syrian government, President Bashar Al Assad and the Syrian Army.

                        George Soros, Anti-Syria Campaign Impresario

                        Much more, plus must-see videos and discussion on what Democracy Now! has erroneously and irresponsibly proclaimed regarding many issues in this Syrian atrocity – many outright falsehoods.

                        http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/26/democracy-now-criminal-cheerleaders-for-perpetual-conflict-and-bloodshed-in-syria/
                        This is who should have been featured in a documentary, but we all know that rewarding real bravery and those who care about real Syrians (not mannequins, or terrorist allies) isn’t something the CIA and all those invested in carrying out the decades long plan for ME domination would back.

                      • Pam (1301 posts)
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                        73. Thanks

                        I watched that Crosstalk episode last night. It was a good introduction. I’m still new to this topic.

                         

                      • polly7 (2614 posts)
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                        79. You're very welcome Pam.

                      • arendt (1432 posts)
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                        59. So, I give you facts. Now you demand other facts.

                        I’ve been punked by this game before.

                        First, do you or do you not accept the facts I gave? Give me an answer first. Then I will entertain the rest of your propagandistic agenda.

                      • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                        53. Whos facts?

                        Besides, I still see zero terrorist activity on the part of the white helmets.

                        How do you know they aren’t doing the best they can with the shit hand they’ve been dealt?

                        You don’t because that info is never talked about from your sources, they concentrate solely on the bias they want to follow.

                        Seems to me we got a biased source telling all the other biased sources about their bias.

                        "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
                      • arendt (1432 posts)
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                        60. Oh, the old questioning the sources game. Do I get to question the corporate…

                        media sources running the propaganda op for the USAID/WhHelm? Why can’t I say I think USAID is an intelligence organization that pushes propaganda, not facts?

                        I can hear the double-standard answer coming before you post.

                      • Sadie (3073 posts)
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                        40. Powerful statement

                        DemocracyNow has done repeated interviews with proponents of the “Syrian revolution” and never with analysts who say this is a war of aggression. This, despite the fact that many prominent international figures see it as such. For example, the former Foreign Minister of Nicaragua and former President of the UN General Assembly, Father Miguel D’Escoto, has said, “What the U.S. government is doing in Syria is tantamount to a war of aggression, which, according to the Nuremberg Tribunal, is the worst possible crime a State can commit against another State.”

                        allowing this one to be absorbed, because it is just terrible to own this fact as an American.  Perhaps some who would be antagonistic to this discovery are really not concerned with crimes against humanity?

                          Wake up, peeps, their kids go to Harvard and Yale; your kids go to Iraq & Afghanistan.   
                      • polly7 (2614 posts)
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                        44. Your last sentence Sadie – right on. Games to distract from it as well ……

                        strange, isn’t it?

                      • The Crone (3157 posts)
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                        85. Wow. That is a powerful statement.

                        It is also true that we are in Syria, for those of us who followed Wikileaks like you and I did, because of the money donated to Hillary via Qatar and Syria. And those officals wanted a war with Syria in exchange for their 32 millions of dollars.

                        SO why did those officials want a war with Syria? Why, because Congressional sanctions existed such that the USA was not supposed to allow weapons into Libya, and Qatatr and Syria were fighting in Libya.

                        And why were they fighting in Libya? Because Ghaddafi had at his disposal some 320 BILLIONS of DOLLARS of gold bullion. And right now no one seems to know where that bullion went. Maybe the reason his killers had to put a sword up Ghaddafi’s anus was because they were attempting to get the location of that treasure out of him. (And dead men tell no tails.) Supposedly the French got the money, but there doesn’t seem to be any proof of that.

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        • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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          11. No just positing a question related to the subject.

          Yes this is Q and A and I assume any member of JPR can ask question here even in posted questions.

          If anyone is having a snideness problem it could possibly be the one who thinks that I shouldn’t be able to pose a question.

          Or even suggest a way to discover the answer to the posted question.

          What do you think? Should I be able to ask a question? Or is that some special privilege that I get only if I join some clique or something?

          Maybe I should start a thread asking if it’s O-K for me to ask a simple question and another if it’s O-K for me to suggest a solution to a question.

          Then again, I already know the answer to all these questions.

          "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
        • Earth artist (679 posts)
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          47. Sad isn't it

          The snarks have invaded into swarms, and the leadership is silent

           

      • Major Hogwash (2777 posts)
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        35. Point of view.

        Otherwise known as “perspective”.

        Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin  
        • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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          36. Ooooooooo.

          ‘Perspective’ covers a whole lot of ground and not necessarily the subject of the question.

          How are we today Major? We’re having a rash of shit weather today, winds at 60 mph, cold, cloudy and looks like rain/snow mix on the way tonight.

          "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
          • Major Hogwash (2777 posts)
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            37. Been there, done that.

            We had snow flurries all night long, and then winds up to 35 mph to spread it all around. More snow in the forecast, and no one can get Ol’ Man Winter to stop!!

            If contradictory evidence is presented, it must be examined. It cannot be ignored. And this subject was examined, yet the contradictory evidence was ignored.

            People can believe what they want to believe, but I suspect many of the ones saying it is a conspiracy have no idea how small a $100 – $150 million dollar covert operation is, even if it were a covert op. We have much worse and much bigger things to examine.

            Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin  
            • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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              39. I'm actually interested in something about this conflict

              and never seem to get any straight answers from the anti-white helmets gang. I really would like to know if there are any real honest to goodness good guys in this thing anywhere? And if there is, how do they survive without forming alliances with those having real power and control on the ground, given it appears to me that each neighborhood is locally controlled by some fighting faction.

              "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
              • Major Hogwash (2777 posts)
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                42. It depends upon your point of view.

                NPR already did a journalistic piece on this recently. The street fighting is, as you say, on a neighborhood level. Unfortunately, this is how much deterioration takes place in a war-torn country, such as Syria, when the fighting isn’t controlled along clear demarcation lines of zones of control . Some neighborhoods are safer than others, and some are just outright horrible. The same thing happened in Somalia, and many other countries when their governments failed them.

                 

                Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin  
                • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                  43. So what is the 'right' thing for anyone to do?

                  This would then be the classic damned if you do, and damned if you don’t problem.

                  Thanks for your thoughtful replies. I just have a problem when a discussion takes a position that is untenable and may in fact hurt anything positive happening in a cesspool.

                  "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
                  • Major Hogwash (2777 posts)
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                    46. Wait.

                    There’s not much the common person can do about unimaginable turmoil taking place in a foreign country. Writing your Congressmen doesn’t seem to help much, so the only logical alternative is to wait and see how it turns out. And seek out those who are willing to talk to you about it, if you feel the need to. Some comfort can come from talking to people with like minds. Believe me, that is what group therapy is all about.

                    That’s really about all we can do about a situation that is out of control that is taking place outside of our country.

                     

                    Trump moya marionetka ~ Putin  
                    • so far from heaven (13156 posts)
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                      54. I think I'll just watch from the sidelines.

                      But I would like to be able to find out if any of the major players over there are actually interested in the overall good of the people and not just in power plays.

                      "When you're in jail, a good friend will be trying to bail you out. A best friend will be in the cell next to you saying, 'Damn, that was fun.'" -Groucho Marx.
                • The Crone (3157 posts)
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                  84. So there is fighting over there

                  And nothing we can do… And apparently the fighting arises when (as Major Hogwash  puts it) “the governments fail them.”

                  Well my take on Syria is that after Hillary Clinton realized she couldn’t in good faith keep the 32 million dollars of “donations” to the Clinton Foundation from officials in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, and since those officials wanted a war with Syria, she gave them war. She even got her puppet, Pres Obama to take to the bully pulpit and request that we citizens ask our Congress critters to get the war going. Obama also stated somewhat cryptically that we citizens didn’t need to worry about paying for the war. That there were resources available to get that war on that wouldn’t necessarily come from us. (of course we had already been funding weapons going into Syria for a good year before he got on national TV to ask us that, but oh well.)

                  So we citizens did call  the Congress critters, and although we Americans aren’t the smartest bulbs in the chandelier of  the globe’s nation’s citizenries, we did demand that NO MORE WARS happen, as after all, we did not win anything in Iraq War I, or Iraq War II, or the Afghanistan War, so maybe we shouldn’t fight them any more. That was by a margin of 87 friggin percent against a new war to 13% for a new war.

                  "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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      12. Is there a list of "off-limits topics"?

    • Whisp (2047 posts)
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      18. Iraq has mushrooms of WMDs coming for us, in 45 minutes!

      “Non-conformity is the only real passion worth being ruled by.” ― Julian Assange
      • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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        19. If true, would probably be censored or sent by night letter..

    • Rocker (551 posts)
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      27. Same question goes for this post on Syria, why is it locked?

      https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/a-real-journalist-challenges-msm-explains-syria/

    • ozoneman (549 posts)
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      28. Seems like a perfectly legitimate question

      and white helmets seems like a great topic for discussion.

      • polly7 (2614 posts)
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        51. I guess it can be freely discussed here:

        https://jackpineradicals.com/groups/extreme-controversy/

        • malokvale77 (973 posts)
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          52. Weird…

          that link doesn’t show up in any of my menus. I can go there through your link but it shows me as not logged in. Looks like a type of a honey pot.

          I don’t like what I’m seeing.

          • polly7 (2614 posts)
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            57. It sure does.

            Was thinking of joining just for shits and giggles but have already been put through the ordeal of posting dozens and dozens of sources, links, videos, etc. exposing the fraud White Helmet USAID funded head-chopping-fuck supporters ………… only to have it ignored, laughed at and been called a stupid fool (paraphrasing) for it.

          • arendt (1432 posts)
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            61. Yeah, I never saw it before either. Sounds like "the dungeon" or 911-ville.

            I have bad memories about this kind of site management.

        • ozoneman (549 posts)
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          63. Thanks Polly.

          I hope the admins will make the right decision and allow topics like this to be discussed in GD, and not bury them under subdirectories that require separate joining. I’m disappointed by jpr that they have taken this approach to limit discussion.

          • Purveyor (2633 posts)
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            65. Reminiscent of the Israel/Palestine dungeon on the

            other place that this one seems to be morphing into.

            Starting to think we all got ‘punked’ …

             

             

            • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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              67. Going to a lot of trouble

              to keep from answering yes or no.

              • Pam (1301 posts)
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                68. The answer seems to be yes

                My question is – why?

                • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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                  72. Yes, why would a discussion board curtail discussion?

                  Seems counter productive.

                • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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                  75. One can only speculate on the WHY.

          • polly7 (2614 posts)
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            69. You're welcome, ozoneman.

            Considering what a huge part propaganda played in the ruin of Iraq, Libya, Ukraine and so many other countries, you’d think outing it wouldn’t be extremely controversial, but welcome.  I don’t understand the animosity towards Syria and Russia – what have they done to hurt us or anyone else, besides not allow the destruction of one of the targeted 7 countries on the famous hit-list?  Which shouldn’t be a cause for anger from anyone here, imho.

          • The Crone (3157 posts)
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            86. And I find it distasteful that the "new

            forum” has perjoratives framing the topics. It’s like you are slut shamed before you even enter.

            "Let us not seek the Republican answer nor the Democratic answer but the right answer." John F. Kennedy   America is the only country that has real   lemons in its furniture polish, and artificial lemon flavoring  in its lemonade!
    • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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      64. Back to the top until there is an answer.

    • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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    • Robert From NC (298 posts)
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      71. Unfortunately,

      it appears so, as every thread that I have seen on the white helmets has been locked. I think the Admins owe us an explanation. It almost makes you wonder if there is some sort of conflict of interest, though I don’t know what that could be. If they just disagree, why don’t they just state their opinion and try to refute those that are against the white helmets? For the record, I don’t even have an opinion on the white helmets, but would like to see a debate so that I can hopefully gather enough information to formulate one.

      "Socially Liberal, Fiscally Progressive" "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that." George Carlin "Formerly known here as Robert Thomas 85"
      • LuckyDog (640 posts)
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        74. Hopefully without Dick Slthers light stalking it

        but I have my doubts.  Good luck with all that and remember to Hate Trump More Than The Other Guy.

        Goodbye

      • Beebee (1470 posts)
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        76. That's my position on this or about anything else. Let's be able to discuss it.

        Otherwise why come here???

        "confrontation of the self is as important as with others. we have to be ready to be surprised by unexpected rhetoric, or even possible communion, with those previously seen as impossible." NuttyFluffers
    • senz (5386 posts)
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      77. Watching what's going on tonight, I'm thinking a list of verboten subjects

      should be posted where everyone can see it.  As of this time, the new, out-of-the-way “Extreme Controversy” group has two subjects:  Russia and the White Helmets.

      But those are broad subjects.

      Does this mean no one can question or post an article questioning DNC claims of Russian election hacking in the General Discussion forum?   Even though the claims have not been proven?

      Does it mean we can’t critique M$M Russia fear-mongering in the General Discussion forum?

      Does it mean we can’t question TPTB’s claims of Trump’s supposed Russian ties in the General Discussion forum?

      Does it mean we can’t express the opinion that the White Helmets documentary is a lousy film in the General Discussion forum?

      How far does it go?  Where does it stop?  Have the admins thought this through?  What are they afraid of?

      What the hell’s going on?

    • Downwinder (1736 posts)
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      88. Still no answer. deedeenl where are you?