Are Democratic Party Loyalists Now Members of a Cult?

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    • #466230
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I’ve been asking myself that question for some time now, because liberal friends of mine have been reminding me of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I found a ten-part list(link) compiled by a couple of former Mormons which makes sense to me, and I will now apply that standard to Democrats, in order.

      1. The leader is the ultimate authority
        If you’re not allowed to criticize your leader, even if the criticism is true, you’re probably in a cult.

      I can hear the reaction of Democratic partisans now, saying this applies to Trump supporters and Republicans, not them. They have a point, in that Democrats have no permanent leader, but they do have different leaders in different years who they they regard as above criticism. I’ll focus on just one, Barack Obama.

      I remember multiple cartoons and columns based on the theme, I got this, including a cartoon of Obama with dark sunglasses and an automatic weapon, such as an assassin would carry, in celebration of the death of Osama bin Laden. When leftists objected to granting the President too much personal power, such as when Drone Tuesdays became public, Democratic loyalists responded with I trust my President, and blithely dismissed those warnings. The same applied when Obama destroyed Libya, and when he declared Edward Snowden guilty of treason on national television.

      For four years, Donald Trump used many of those same powers to advance his agenda, such as it was and what there was of it, that Democrats had rejoiced to see Obama use.

      Nonetheless, it was often said that one could not be a good Democrat and criticize the Holy O as that only helped the evil Republicans, so I have to say this first condition of cultism at least partially applies to them.

      1. The group suppresses skepticism
        If you’re only allowed to study your organization through approved sources, you’re probably in a cult.

      Democrats clearly fit this description. For example, the comedian and political commentator Jimmy Dore was damned for having a Bugaloo Boy on his show once, and that condemned anything else he brought forward for all time in their eyes. Despite the fact he took the first Covid vaccine himself and recommended it, despite the fact he quoted such sources as the World Health Organization and the New England Journal of Medicine, nothing he says can be given any credence whatsoever.

      A Democrat friend of mine bragged that he paid for the New York Times and Bezos Post delivered each morning into his email inbox, and told me I was either a Trumper or a traitor for even viewing such sources as RT or Breaking Points, the latter because one of the co-hosts is a self-described conservative. No questioning of those “reliable sources” is permitted until they themselves change their story, in which case they are only reporting on the “facts” as they learn more.

      1. The group delegitimizes former members
        If you can’t think of a legitimate reason for leaving your group, you’re probably in a cult.

      I’m a former Democrat. I Demexited back in 1996 and voted for Nader then and again in 2000. Anyone who also did that and goes online and says so on any predominantly liberal or Democratic site knows that I am somehow personally responsible for electing George W. Bush, and quite possible am a traitor, according to many Democratic partisans. Therefore anything I say his suspect, unless of course it fits their narrative of the day.

      1. The group is paranoid about the outside world
        If your group insists the end of the world is near, you’re probably in a cult.

      Democrats don’t say the end of the world is near, but they have been prating about the impending destruction of our democracy by Trump and his supporters for five years now. All of the hysteria they promote surrounding the events of 1/6/2021 are a glaring case in point. Anyone who expresses any empathy at all for those people’s frustrations is a Fascist or a traitor or a deluded fool, and usually a morally reprehensible person. If one points out the fact that there were FBI agents in the crowd urging them to storm the Capitol, one is damned, insulted, and dismissed. Democrats certainly fall into this category.

      1. The group relies on shame cycles
        If you need your group in order to feel worthy, loved, or sufficient, you’re probably in a cult.

      This is obvious in any political social media forum. Those who disagree are to be censored or expelled, and the constant admiration and love expressed for Democratic politicians is frankly nauseating. And the gods help anyone who urges people not to vote for or send money to Democrats! The attempts at shaming are nonstop.

      1. The leader is above the law
        If you’re held to a different moral standard, specifically in regard to sex, you’re probably in a cult.

      I’m going to give the Democrats a pass on this one. I don’t think it really applies, especially the sex part. If you disagree, I’m certainly willing to listen to you.

      7. The group uses “thought reform” methods
      If your serious questions are answered with cliches, you’re probably in a cult.

      This one definitely fits. Point out that we need Medicare for All in a pandemic, and the response from Democrats is that we live in the world we live in, and have to operate within current parameters and limitations. The suggestion that their politicians had the chance to change something for the better and chose not to is met with derision.

      1. The group is elitist
        If your group is the solution for all the world’s problems, you’re probably in a cult.

      If only people would keep voting for Democrats, everything would be OK if we just gave them enough time to clean up Republican messes and fix things. Democrats also trust elitists sources, and Democrats who went to prestigious private universities cannot be questioned by anyone who didn’t. Democrats are absolutely elitist. Witness Jen Psaki at any press conference when even medium-hard questions are asked.

      9. There is no financial transparency
      If you’re not allowed to know what the group does with their money, you’re probably in a cult.

      Technically, this doesn’t really apply, but where Democrats get their money from cannot be questioned. It’s necessary to compete with Republicans, and that’s all the justification they need.

      1. The group performs secret rites
        If there are secret teachings or ceremonies you didn’t discover until after you joined, you’re probably in a cult.

      At first glance, this doesn’t apply. But if one considers secret meetings between Democratic politicians and wealthy donors, it does. So it kinda sorta applies, in a way.

      So let’s add them up. Democrats fully meet 6 out of 10 conditions of being a cult by these standards, and partially fit 3 more. They may not technically be a cult if all 10 are required, but they are certainly leaning strongly in that direction. Much the same can be said about Republicans as well, but as my mama used to say, two wrongs don’t make a right and the pot calling the kettle black should definitely be ridiculed.

      All of you former Democrats out there, you are not alone, and you should rejoice that you left a cultish group of people.

      Thank you for reading. Good night, and good luck.

      Crossposted from Substack. 

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

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    • #466235
      GZeusH
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      At the worst possible time, just to be annoying?

      Yup, they’re the Jehovah’s Witlesses all right.

      Oh, and #6 does apply — Tara Reade.

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      Biden 2022: Kiev is to be held to the last Ukrainian.

    • #466239
      Punxsutawney
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      Or blinded by their tribal loyalties. Either way same result. And I sure see a lot of cognitive dissonance among the loyalists.

      In America, “Liberty” means “Free to Die in Service of Capital” - Amfortas the hippie.

      Most of today’s elites have the moral and social reasoning capacities of spoiled toddlers.

      “People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage...but the privileged also feel that their privileges, however egregious they may seem to others, are a solemn, basic, God-right. The sensitivity of the poor to injustice is a trivial thing c

    • #466241
      jbnw
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      The Cult of Her has existed far too long.

    • #466247
      Utopian Leftist
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      I only disagree on #6.

      The leader is above the law
      If you’re held to a different moral standard, specifically in regard to sex, you’re probably in a cult.

      Slick Willie is a good example. They still defend him. He still scores high in popularity polls. Hyuck. Hyuck.

      Obama is that rare liberal, actually able to keep it in his pants. So they let him get away with stripping us of our right to privacy, by spying on the entire country.

      As for Creepy, Demented Uncle Joe, well frankly I’m not sure he could still find it, to use it. But he sure does love the hair sniffin’. Methinks he has a bad case of Roman fingers and Russian hands . . ..

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    • #466248
      Passionate Progressive
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      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

    • #466249
      MizzGrizz
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      They are totally brainwashed.

       

    • #466270
      bazukhov
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      I’ve been a Democrat since 1965.  I’ve never fest obliged to vote Democratic and often haven’t.

      We now have open primaries here in Washington.

      Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites

      • #466305
        Satan
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        Hillary lost the caucus both times (2008 & 2016) so the Hillbot/DLC wing of the party threw a string of crybaby tantrums until they threw out the caucus & brought in a primary for 2020. Then they modified the mail in ballot to include an envelope with some special archaic instructions for signatures or whatever that has been on no other mail in ballot before or after that primary election.

        And the state that voted 76% for Bernie in 2016 allegedly voted for Biden in 2020?? Yeah, if you believe those results were legitimate, I’ve got some beachfront property for sale at the Lake of Fire.

        Sure, Biden probably got more votes than Hillary did… but more than Bernie?? Not a snowball’s chance in my back yard. But as Joe Stalin said….

        “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”

        And when you make up archaic dragonshit excuses NOT to count certain votes (i.e. stupid games with ballot envelopes) it makes the Stalin strategy that much easier. He actually had a good laugh when I told him about this election.

        "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable". - John F. Kennedy

        • #466391
          eridani
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          They were tough in 2016 with only two candidates.  No way in hell we could have managed a dozen.  Turnout had been getting increasingly larger since 2004.

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    • #466271
      closeupready
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      I mean, the answer isn’t just ‘yes’. It’s ‘absolutely’.

      Oh, and agree with #6 also applies. Not sure why you’d give Democrats a pass on that one. Perhaps you limit your news intake to US sources, and sure, accounting for that limited coverage, it’d be understandable why you’d be willing to give a pass to Democrats, but look at Daily Mail or Sky News. Then get back to me that you’d still give them a pass on #6.

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      • #466339
        Ohio Barbarian
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        That’s why. Plus I am of the school that doesn’t give a damn about a politician’s peccadillos, so long as it’s truly consensual.

        The Slick Willie/Epstein connection is another matter, but there is no one leader, past or present, of the Democratic Party, so I hesitate to damn them there. That doesn’t mean you don’t have a good point.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #466370
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          So, if someone (or their surrogates) attacks adversaries on the basis that they are sluts or lotharios, then there is no shortage of those in anyone’s party. Thus, it’s only a point later on because you (the generalized hypocrite in question) made such matters a point to consider.

          Thanks for posting an interesting thread. K&R

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    • #466310
      Sorbish
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      The antiRacism, Equity, Inclusion movement certainly can be assigned a few of those.

      –Shaming people who don’t hold to their credo.
      –Suppression of skepticism, which sort of works alongside of shaming
      –Deligitimizing the people who their movement radicalizes who commit property destruction
      –Paranoid about all white people especially those who voice skepticism
      –Relies on thought reform via public education proffering very unconventional US history deeply criticized as flawed by historians.
      –Elitist. Well how do you deny that’s a descriptor of Harvard Law School?
      –Rejection of transparency, turning curriculum guidance from school boards into secrets that the public and particularly students’ parents shouldn’t be allowed to participate in.

      History doesn't repeat. We just make the same old mistakes in new contexts.

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    • #466318
      Average Gazoo
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      might be the closer definition.

      Like racists, Democrats now define themselves less by what they are than by what they are NOT. As in “not Fox news watchers” “not anti-vax” “not Trump” “not Bernie Sanders supporters” etc.

      Also like religion, members have to swallow a big bunch of bullshit right at the beginning and then maintain denial of certain realities. For the Democrats this means you have to believe that Biden is left of center, not racist, and will behave differently as President than when he voted against gay marriage, for the Patriot act, for the Iraq war and to cut Social Security. You have to believe that the candidates picked by party insiders somehow best represent all the people who are shut out of that picking process. Or perhaps you have to believe that Biden is the best we can or should ever hope for.

      Be the Change

      • #466340
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I can’t argue with that. At all.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

      • #467715
        Bernie Boomer
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        that have gotten big enough to stop people from calling them cults.

        • #467794
          Ohio Barbarian
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          .

          Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

          The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

    • #466323
      Voltairine
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      The figure was registered by Rasmussen Reports and the Heartland Institute, which also found that a MAJORITY “Fifty-nine percent of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.”

      The survey also found that 48 percent of Democratic voters “think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.”

      Given that the benchmark for ‘questioning’ the efficacy of vaccines appears to now be saying anything other than what the government tells you, a lot of people would be facing criminal charges.
      https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/poll-finds-close-half-democratic-voters-want-covid-internment-camps-unvaxxd

      Aloha!

    • #466329
      ColorsoftheRainbow
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      @ohiobarbarian,

      I came across this interesting tweet, which references a recent poll, which may add some insight to this topic.

       

      • #466369
        Yanath
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        Damn. They’re absolute wingnuts. It isn’t very often that I’m glad I live in Texas.

      • #466429
        Dunatus
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        Democratic partisans are just as far down the rabbit hole as Republicans….

      • #467716
        Bernie Boomer
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        done for the Heartland Institute (they promote “free-market solutions” – the guy that commissioned the poll, Chris Talgo, heads up their “Stop Socialism” project . . .)

        I couldn’t uncover the question set they used in their automated poll – perhaps someone else can? It was automated, focused on land-lines with random online survey questions sent out to capture folks who don’t have land-lines.

        I’m not saying it’s a crap poll – I don’t know – but it comes from a particular place. One thing that made me raise an eyebrow was their assertion that
        “. . . more black voters (63%) than whites (45%), Hispanics (55%) or other minorities (32%) support Biden’s vaccine mandate for government workers and employees of large companies.”
        That seems weird, given the higher levels of vaccine hesitancy amongst the black and Latinx communities.

    • #466392
      eridani
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      The reason they can’t get it passed is why?  Let’s hear your explanations.

      https://jayapal.house.gov/2021/03/17/medicare-for-all/

      The Medicare for All Act of 2021 is co-sponsored by 14 committee chairs and several key leadership Members. Co-sponsors include Alma S. Adams Ph.D., Nanette Diaz Barragán, Karen Bass, Don Beyer, Earl Blumenauer, Suzanne Bonamici, Jamaal Bowman, Brendan F. Boyle, Anthony Brown, Cori Bush, Salud Carbajal, Tony Cárdenas, André Carson, Matt Cartwright, Judy Chu, David Cicilline, Katherine Clark, Yvette D. Clarke, Emanuel Cleaver, II, Steve Cohen, Bonnie Watson Coleman, Danny K. Davis, Peter DeFazio, Diana DeGette, Mark DeSaulnier, Lloyd Doggett, Mike Doyle, Ted Deutch, Veronica Escobar, Adriano Espaillat, Teresa Leger Fernandez, Lois Frankel, Ruben Gallego, Jesús G. “Chuy” García, Jimmy Gomez, Al Green, Raúl M. Grijalva, Josh Harder, Alcee L. Hastings, Jahana Hayes, Brian Higgins, Jared Huffman, Sara Jacobs, Hakeem Jeffries, Hank Johnson, Mondaire Jones, Kaiali’i Kahele, William R. Keating, Robin L. Kelly, Ro Khanna, Daniel T. Kildee, Ann Kirkpatrick, James R. Langevin, Brenda L. Lawrence, Barbara Lee, Sheila Jackson Lee, Andy Levin, Mike Levin, Ted W. Lieu, Alan Lowenthal, Carolyn B. Maloney, James P. McGovern, Jerry McNerney, Gregory W. Meeks, Grace Meng, Jerrold Nadler, Grace F. Napolitano, Joe Neguse, Marie Newman, Eleanor Holmes Norton, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar, Frank Pallone Jr., Jimmy Panetta, Donald Payne Jr., Ed Perlmutter, Chellie Pingree, Mark Pocan, Katie Porter, Ayanna Pressley, David Price, Jamie Raskin, Lucille Roybal-Allard, Bobby L. Rush, Gregorio Kilili Camacho Sablan, Linda Sanchez, John Sarbanes, Jan Schakowsky, Adam Schiff, Robert C. “Bobby” Scott, Brad Sherman, Adam Smith, Jackie Speier, Eric Swalwell, Mark Takano, Bennie G. Thompson, Mike Thompson, Dina Titus, Rashida Tlaib, Paul Tonko, Ritchie Torres, Lori Trahan, Juan Vargas, Marc Veasey, Nydia M. Velázquez, Maxine Waters, Peter Welch, Susan Wild, Nikema Williams, Frederica Wilson, and John Yarmuth.

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      • #466395
        djean111
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        he would fucking VETO, if it ever got to his desk.  Great propaganda, though, useful for campaigning and VFTB.  Get those faux progressive creds at a bargain price.

        As Hillary assured Wall Street – public face, private face.  I am no longer impressed by co-sponsoring or writing bills.  Just theater now. Then again, I am not a Democrat, so I don’t base my vote on this stuff.  At the end of the day, the party is controlled by austerity-pushing warmongers.

        The number of actual progressives is, I believe, too small to be statistically relevant.

        America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

        Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

        A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

        • #466399
          eridani
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          What is yours?  Your alternative to theater is what, exactly?

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          • #466405
            djean111
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            My personal alternative to the theater aspect is to no longer vote for Democrats, hoping for the best.  I can’t speak for anybody else., of course.  But co-sponsoring progressive bills is now, IMO, just for show and for campaign pandering, for many of those Democrats.

            America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

            Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

            A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

            • #466415
              eridani
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              IOW, you can’t be bothered with voting at all.  If socialists and other progressives stop voting, how does that get us Medicare for All?  Or anything else?

              Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

              • #466417
                djean111
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                How fucked up is that.

                And this –

                IOW, you can’t be bothered with voting at all.

                You created the “other words” – I will vote for an alternative party.  As I have been told and told, gotta start somewhere, and “incrementally” applies just as much to alternative parties as it does to hoping the Dems will change.  Same timeline, really, IMO, and I don’t have to feel stupid for voting for a corporate party.

                America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

                Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

                A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

                • #467452
                  eridani
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                  How many hours a week are you putting in canvassing and phonebanking for an alternative?

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                  • #467513
                    djean111
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                    So – if I am unable to participate in voter outreach, I should just go ahead and vote for an austerity-loving warmonger?  And how does, that, exactly, benefit anybody but austerity-loving warmongers?

                    America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

                    Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

                    A YouTube comment – we need new conspiracy theories – the old ones have all come true.

              • #466421
                closeupready
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                You can lazily refer to it as “not bothering to vote”, but for those of us who take voting seriously, making a decision to boycott an election is a decision not arrived at without careful consideration.

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                • #467494
                  Voltairine
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                  voting competition over who gets control of the Big Gun of State is NOT a vote. It’s ethics of non-violence which considers voting for control of army and police, to violently enforce your opinions over others, highly unethical.

                  Aloha!

                  • #467516
                    Ohio Barbarian
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                    @closeupready is saying that a decision not to vote is still a vote in the sense that it is a refusal to vote for any of the corrupt, corporatist pawns who are often the only choices to make the American ballot. I think.

                    You are saying that refusing to vote is refusal to participate in a corrupt, rigged system that relies on violence to stay in power. For all practical purposes, it’s really the same thing, IMHO. It certainly has the same effect on that system.

                    Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

                    The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

                  • #467527
                    closeupready
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                    Do you mean, it’s irresponsible for voters to boycott an election in a race which will help determine military matters?

                    If so, is it always irresponsible, in every election ever, anywhere? And if there are exceptions to that rule, what are those exceptions, and why are those elections exempt?

                    What I’m getting at here is that US elections are, to some degree, rigged and pre-determined. As an illustration, remember what was quipped about George Bush vs. Al Gore – “Tweedledee vs. Tweedledum”, i.e., a choice for one stuffed shirt vs. another stuffed shirt. That is, it doesn’t matter what voters do because nothing will change.

                    Therefore, a decision to boycott an election in a corrupt democracy which has effectively disenfranchised normal voters is a rational decision, and in theory, if it is a decision subscribed to en masse, it can help indict this corruption publicly.


                    @voltairine
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                    • #467642
                      Voltairine
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                      That violently coercing others under your will is wrong, it’s against the Golden Rule. If I pointed a gun at you and told you to obey me, you would not like that, you would say that I’m acting wrongly against you. And that’s what voting for the control of state monopoly of violence means. You want your legislators to legislate according to your will, and the state monopoly of violence to enforce your will.

                      So, everybody who votes in elections trying to get control of state monopoly of power (through proxy) is officially trying to point the big gun of state against everybody who votes differently, disagrees on various issues, or doesn’t vote at all.

                      Voting is an act of physical violence.

                      Edit to add: Now that is clear, what is the real purpose of voting? It’s a mind game to make you accept your slavery to your “chosen” tyrants and bosses and their violence against you and your fellow people. It took me quite a while to wake up from the hypnosis, but I did, at least partially. We all can.

                      Aloha!

                      • #467649
                        closeupready
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                        Thanks, and cheers.  🙂  @voltairine  (And let me just add, I agree with you somewhat, but not entirely, but I will think about it some more and maybe agree 100% with you later on.)

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                      • #467683
                        Voltairine
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                        It would wrong just to take my word. Much respect for digesting and examining at your own pace.

                        Aloha!

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          ColorsoftheRainbow
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      • #466431
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I believe that includes the Fraud Squad. Your faith in this corrupt, capitalist party is touching, but sadly misplaced. They are lying to you.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #467451
          eridani
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          –to Democrats.  How many hours of phonebanking and canvassing per week?

          Jesus: Hey, Dad? God: Yes, Son? Jesus: Western civilization followed me home. Can I keep it? God: Certainly not! And put it down this minute--you don't know where it's been! Tom Robbins in Another Roadside Attraction

          • #467496
            Voltairine
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            A) Let the evil US empire collapse
            B) Mutual aid

            Serious question for you, eridani. As playing politics and especially voting dems means de facto support for the empire and it’s crimes, support for MIC, Wall Street, Prison industrial complex, looting and murdering mostly brown people abroad, why do you insist in participating in those crimes?

            Aloha!

          • #467505
            Ohio Barbarian
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            If I burn with it, well, that’s Fate.

            Besides, there is nothing I can do, except try to educate people on what’s really happening. The Democrats and Republicans have made that my only viable  option.

            Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

            The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

          • #467938
            kelly
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            you mean an alternative to the racketeering.

    • #467648
      Junker
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    • #467839
      chknltl
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      “Did you do your patriotic duty and get vaxed?” I was asked by my dem supporter chums.

      No, I told them

      “So you are a Trump supporting anti-vaxer!” I was told.

      This kind of logic I can not fight against.

      Vote for Jeff! (Jeff is my handi-capped brother. He asked me to vote for him).

      • #467869
        Ohio Barbarian
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        I’m sure you already knew that. I was told I was a traitor when I said I had lost faith in all of our federal institutions, including the CDC. My refusal to get a booster(I did take the first round of vaccines) was confirmation that I had gone over to Trump and QAnon.

        I’ll vote for your brother. He can’t possibly be any more intellectually challenged than either Biden or Trump.

        Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

        The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

        • #467930
          chknltl
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          I forget how old he is but it is measured in billions of years.

          He tells me pterodactyl is quite tasty but you need a tank to hunt the rascals.

          Didja know that the moon is a space ship?

          Eventually Jeff, the Pope and I will tour the world on an aircraft carrier. (I just want a new pair of socks).

          I’ve a wealthy brother who will take care of Jeff. He will never have any needs, never face homelessness or starvation.

          Unlike many lost soles out there, Jeff got lucky.

          I’d say Jeff has it together better than a lot of politicians…which is why he asked me to vote for him.

          Vote for Jeff

          • #468030
            Voltairine
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            Jeff didn’t lose his sole, he gots a firm footing. A solid dude for sure.

            Aloha!

    • #467976
      closeupready
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      (SPOILERS BELOW)

      LOL – so many parallels between the story and the authoritarianism to which the party’s Karen’s demand obedience! Seriously.

      A woman and mother corrupted irredeemably by her love of $$$.
      A woman and grandmother who screams “these are MY RULES, and you will ABIDE BY THEM as long as you live in this house!” “And speak ONLY when spoken to!!” {slaps 5 year old girl’s cheek}.

      I remember when this book came out – it was super popular, and I think in part it capitalized – as a work of fiction – on the success of “Mommie Dearest”, but it was controversial. Anyway, just a thought that made me chuckle as I was watching it…

      The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

    • #468074
      chknltl
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      Except I am a male.

      Every day when my dad came home I watched to see what his mood was.

      If he slammed the car door the word went through the house: “Dad’s Mad!”

      We kids scattered to our rooms to hide underneath our beds.

      I was in first grade when his rampages first started.

      Furnature got upended, broken…us kids got the hell beat out of us….with brooms then vacuum cleaner pipes, whatever was handy.

      Did I mention that I was in first grade? What I didn’t mention is that at the time, I was the oldest of 3.

      This went on until my 18th birthday when that SOB kicked me out without breakfast…just the clothes on my back.

      Sure, he was active duty military and an alcoholic…sure we had 7 kids by the time he kicked me out. .

      …but mind-fuging us the way he did has left me and some of the older kids,(including Jeff), scarred for life.

      Jeff was the first to stand up to my dad. Something I could never think to do!

      He got a cast iron fireplace poker across his face for his efforts.

      While in the Navy, Jeff went in for cosmetic surgery to repair his nose.

      When he came out he wound up with what the Navy called “Scarlett Fever like symptoms”.

      According to his doctor,(now retired and living in Florida), Jeff had a high temp of 117 degrees sustained.

      He almost died that day. His doctor said brain damage was a certainty!

      He was right.

      Like I said in an earlier post, Jeff is one of the lucky ones.

      By rights, the Navy is responsible…by rights my dad was even more responsible.

      Your story above reminded me of my own childhood.

      Sometimes you just need to vent.

      It’s called PTSD.

      • #468077
        Voltairine
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        but my mother and father grew up in world full of crazy alcoholic men, who had been badly damaged by the war, by what they went through on the fronlines. And when I was child my mother used to make that weird noise every night as she kept having the same nightmare every night – drowing in dark liquid or something like that. The nightmares ended only when she learned that when my grandmother had been pregrant with my mother, she had fell when running into bomb shelter during a raid by Russian bombers, causing hemorrage in womb.

        No more war.

        Aloha!

      • #468085
        closeupready
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        Hugs to you. @chknltl

        The opinions and personal views expressed herein are solely those of the author, and should never be taken seriously.

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