Are We Approaching a New War With China? – George Galloway/Garland Nixon

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    • #449538
      Passionate Progressive
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      Two of my faves get together again –

      The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.....Martin Luther King '63

      It takes all the technical proficiency our system can provide to make up for the woeful lack of popular support and political savvy of most of the regimes that the West has thus far sought to prop up.........Bernard Fall

    • #449539
      Mindwalker
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      … seems to be the MIC trying to justify their existence again.

      If we really want to win against China, we should get money to the regular people, improve their lives with education and job so that they will contribute to a thriving economy.  Instead there will be tax breaks for rich owners of congress.

    • #449557
      gordyfl
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      I don’t know what are the goals of the U.S. What do our leaders want to accomplish out of all this?

      When you look at trade:

      China is the world’s largest exporter.
      China exported $2.591 trillion worth of goods around the globe in 2020. That dollar amount reflects a 22.3% gain since 2016 and a 3.7% increase from 2019 to 2020.

      Almost half (47.6%) of China exports were delivered to fellow Asian countries.

      20.8% were sold to North American importers. 20.7% worth of Chinese goods to Europe. Smaller percentages went to Africa (4.4%).

      China’s top trading partners in terms of export sales.

      These countries imported the most Chinese shipments by dollar value during 2020:

      1) United States: $452.6 billion (17.5% of China’s total exports)
      2) Hong Kong: $272.7 billion (10.5%)
      3) Japan: $142.6 billion (5.5%)
      4) Vietnam: $113.8 billion (4.4%)
      5) South Korea: $112.5 billion (4.3%)
      6) Germany: $86.8 billion (3.4%)

      https://www.worldstopexports.com/chinas-top-import-partners/

      Taiwan Trade

      Taiwan exported $347.2 billion worth of goods around the globe in 2020. That dollar amount reflects a 24.4% gain since 2016 and a 5.4% increase from 2019 to 2020.

      73.3% of Taiwan’s exports were delivered to fellow Asian countries.

      16.1% were sold to importers in North America.
      Taiwan shipped another 8.2% worth of goods to Europe.

      Taiwan’s top trading partners (exports):

      China is Taiwan’s biggest customer.

      1) China: $103.1 billion (29.7% of Taiwan’s total exports)
      2) United States: $50.9 billion (14.7%)

      (Why start trouble with your biggest customer?)

      https://www.worldstopexports.com/taiwans-top-import-partners/

      When it comes to trade, China needs Taiwan (and all the other Southeast Asian countries) and Taiwan needs China (and other Asian countries).
      Both China and Taiwan enjoy a nice trade surplus with the U.S. I don’t think war is what they want.

      Here’s a thought — The U.S. is no longer a manufacturing country, except we do make planes, weapons, submarines, fighter jets, missiles and missile defense systems. The U.S. sees potential weapons sales to Southest Asian countries — weapons exports to Taiwan, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines, Australia, etc.

      Who benefits from all this sabor rattling? The Military Industrial Complex.

      The Southeast Asian countries are doing quite well trading amongst themselves. The only ones who would like to see tensions, or a military conflict in the region, from what I can see, is the U.S.

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      soryang
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      I don’t see any “daylight” between Trump policies and Biden policies concerning China. The only difference, I think, was that Trump’s group understood that you can’t drive both Russia and China into the corner at the same time, and that US military resources are wasted in other theaters. Nixon is right of course when he says “Americans have…no clue” when it comes to what a war with China would be like. The Anglo alliance includes Japan, which ostensibly, is posturing for some economic security and national security moves. I don’t think the Chinese want an economic showdown with the US and are hoping perhaps naively that cooler heads will prevail in the US. Based on earlier confrontations, they will make their war preparations and let this play out.

      I think the upside for the Japanese conservative leadership is that they think they can see a potential conflict in East Asia bringing them economic revival, as did the Korean and Vietnam wars. If US forces move into Taiwan they’ll probably never leave again unless they are forced out. The admission of the US that it has numbers of advisers and techs there, is part of an I dare you game. You told me you had a red line, and I ignored it, what are you going to do about it? Answer, continue to prepare for war. After listening to US national security officials lie for more than two decades, it will take more leadership than this administration demonstrates to stop this train. The fact that none of this in the actual national interest of the US in terms of trade or otherwise, doesn’t really matter. The bankers want an open door policy in China and they aren’t getting it. The same for a large portion of the IT sector. The MIC and the so called Indo-Pacific Command are enlarging their empire. What could go wrong? Taiwan leadership is taking advantage of the “rock solid” commitment of the US administration, and similar noises by Japan to carve out its independence policy. I don’t know why they would send one of their semiconductor factories to Japan. This move seems to anticipate an interruption of some sort.

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