As a Wisconsinite, this disturbed me greatly, see it as a warning

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    • #399519
      Sorbish
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      https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/01/30/conservative_movement_is_not_doomed_–_just_look_to_wisconsin_145156.html

      I post the link for those strong willed enough to read it.

      For the rest of you, this article suggests that Wisconsin government should be a model for the future of the US conservative movement.

      OMG! Please no!!

      Yes, it’s a very damned scary story.

      For 10 years we’ve been run by a heavy handed, just-barely-a-majority of increasingly oppositional anarchistic bullies. They cultivated a living breathing nursery for Trumpism, wayyyy, before Trump, back when the Koch’s toilet paper parliment was the menacing warning of impending tyranny.

      And now we’re stuck under a difficult to change gerrymandered reality with an ultra-partisan conservative class of boyars running the place, and finding support in the sacred texts of Ayn Rand, John Calvin, and voter suppression tactics best known to impoverished states of the gulf coast.

      Ending the pandemic needs a shot in the arm.

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    • #399525
      HassleCat
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      They’re a gaggle of former (failed) dairy farmers who live west and northwest of Eau Claire. They’re mostly truck drivers when they feel like working.  They collect various forms of welfare and complain about black people collecting welfare. They fly confederate flags, an act of incredible disrespect to their forebears who fought for the Union in the Civil War. They can’t pay the utility bills, but they have the latest thing in assault weapons, which they need to shoot gophers. And so on. You probably know many people just like them. They’re alienated, bitter, resentful, rebellious, and angry at everybody. A few of them still retain their humanity and remain in touch with their better angels, but Trumpism has been eating away at them for a long time. Sad story.

    • #399527
      djean111
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      is joining it, and the Democratic Party is working against anything at all progressive.  The only people, IMO, who think the conservative movement is doomed are those who are stupid enough to think that we lived in a happy  and good place, before Trump.  No, we did not.  And that is why Trump happened.  Yeah, the Vichy Dems are filling the internet and the airwaves with bullshit about how everything will be better now that Trump is gone – but things were not good before Trump, and the Vichy Dems have already fucking SAID things for Americans will not get better after Trump, and, so far, they are ensuring that is the case.

      Trump was just a fantastically useful distraction, a “look!  There’s a Squirrel!” device to point to while our quite bipartisan government kept shoveling money to Wall Street and the MIC.  All fucking theater.  IMO, etc.

      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

    • #399531
      Populist Prole
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      When I click on the link, I get the dreaded 404 “Page not found” thing.

    • #399533
      Fasttense
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      Once they get into your legislature or executive offices, like rats in a barn, you can get rid of alot of them but you can never get them all out.

       

       

      • #399547
        mrdmk
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        This sounds like a cheer me up story, considering the happenings next door in Michigan.

        The Republicans in Michigan are being charged more-or-less with man slaughter.

        If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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        • #399551
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          Now it’s just some negligence of office bullshit with $1000 fine. That’s it. That’s all that happens to the murderous governor who wanted to depopulate Flint in order to gentrify it or something.

          We live in a failed state.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

          • #399561
            mrdmk
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            Throughout 2014 and 2015, levels of lead, bacteria, and chlorination by-products rose in Flint’s drinking water, causing more than 100,000 residents to be exposed to the toxins, which seeped into the water from aging pipes. Doctors have since detected elevated lead levels in hundreds of children, and residents were forced to drink bottled or filtered water for months.

            The most severe of the criminal charges were leveled against Nick Lyon, the former director of Michigan’s health department, who faces nine counts of involuntary manslaughter, each with a sentence of 15 years, over the deaths of nine people who developed Legionnaire’s disease, thought to have come from bacteria in the Flint water.

            Snyder was charged with two counts of neglect of duty under the Michigan constitution, one count “by failing to inquire into the performance, condition and administration of the public offices and officers that he appointed and was required to supervise,” and another count he incurred “by failing to declare a state of emergency and/or disaster” in Flint after he was made aware of the water crisis. The charges are punishable by up to a year in jail.

            LINK–MSN.com, Lack of Dem Indictments in Flint Water Probe Raises Concerns about Political Prosecution

            My feelings about Flint Michigan is the whole matter is a travesty, it does not belong in a first world nation. With the way this matter is being handled, it is a bad fucking joke. Both the Republicans and Democrats own it.

            But that is not the point. I am sure people in Wisconsin know about Flint and the current problems. The story posted by OP is a feel good story concerning the bad press coming from their next door neighbor. That is all.

            If you cannot dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit WC Fields

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        • #399652
          Fasttense
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          I inherited an 8 year old Jack Russel from a friend who died. She looked like a Jack Russel not sure if she was a pure breed. My friend never said before he died.

          Anyway she never hunted was a pampered lap dog. But I took her out to that barn after about a week just to keep her nearby while I worked. She started digging and barking and the next thing I know she has 3 dead fat rats all lined up on the dirt floor.

          After that, I let her in the barn on most mornings and would have a tough time getting her to come in at dinner time. She never ate the rats, just neatly lined them up by the door. There were always at least 2 rats each day.

          She did that for years and years. She never ran out of rats though.

           

          • #399709
            B Calm
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            digging up moles?  I could sure use a little mole dog.  Jack Russell’s are the fastest little dogs on the planet, but the only downfall they have is they shed something horrible.

    • #399546
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      Sounds to me like you need some guillotines to go with all that cheese and bad beer(sorry, I’ve never liked any Wisconsin beer, but your cheese is great).

      For both political parties. Those people you talk about have good reason to be upset; they’re just blaming the wrong culprits. If you can’t reach them, you have to be prepared to defend yourself against them, and they need to know that you are. Then it’s unlikely they’ll actually do anything other than vote for abhorrent politicians.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #399556
      zooka
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      …Wisconsin because it was historically progressive, but the populace could be readily hypnotized due to de-industrialization and the resultant lack of opportunities. There is also minimal minority population outside of Kenosha and Milwaukee.

      I spend a fair amount of the summer there, and the last 10 years have been frightening. People I know who are kind and decent now wear an ugly facade. Lots of proud, clueless Trumpers and back the badgers (not the Wisconsin Badgers) due to outright racism and fear of “others.” Few seem to realize that they owe their middle-class or better lifestyle to progressives from generations past, or to the union jobs of their parents. Most think the optimal tax rate is zero, which I can’t wrap my head around!

    • #399670
      zooka
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      …pressure on the dairy industry, but I don’t know how severe. I do know that almost all my milk products in northern Illinois come from California, which is just bizarre!

    • #399706
      Sorbish
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      have hit the dairy industry pretty hard.

      Before the pandemic Canada decided to change its trade rules to protect it’s dairy industry.

      In recent decades a big part of Wisconsin milk production undergoes processing which physically, rather than chemically, separates milk into constituent fractions which can then be mixed back together to produce milk with varying amounts of fats, milk sugars, proteins. Canada created a rule to deny import of such milk. During the ensuing ‘milk war’ Canada’s decision essentially closed with Canadian market to Wisconsin dairies, which had depended on ‘designer’ milk production as place where they had a competitive niche against other high producing milk states including California and New York.

      Before the bruise from that conflict really faded, the pandemic hit, and consumer milk sales have dropped off, arguably because school lunchrooms, major outlets for milk, haven’t been open.

      Ending the pandemic needs a shot in the arm.

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      • #399727
        Haikugal
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        In my little burg we are still providing lunches for children. Is that unusual?

        The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.
        God, guns, and gobbledygook...we live in an aquarium of nightmares.

        • #399741
          Sorbish
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          maybe that’s usual. I don’t know where you are.

          I’m repeating what’s been shared by the WI dairy industry in news over the last few months.

          Ending the pandemic needs a shot in the arm.

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          • #399744
            Haikugal
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            Or your information. I thought this was normal. The school district organizes it on Facebook and they family drives to pickup. We have a lot of people here that are struggling. South central PA.

            Thanks for the info.

             

            The DNC “big tent” excludes Nina Turner but includes John Kasich.
            God, guns, and gobbledygook...we live in an aquarium of nightmares.

        • #399757
          Ohio Barbarian
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          I know the bigger school districts have a program like that now, though they didn’t for the first several months of the pandemic. So many kids went hungry that enough people made enough noise that the state and the school districts responded.

          It really has helped to feed a lot of kids.

          It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

          You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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