As expected, Trump pardons Flynn.

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    • #381217
      leftcoast mountains
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      vote for nobody

    • #381220
      ThouArtThat
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      Hi lcm,

      Since we now know the FBI entrapped him, this seems a good pardon.

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    • #381222
      Ohio Barbarian
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      IMO, it’s not worth getting all excited or pissed off about it. Pity he won’t pardon Assange and Snowden.

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    • #381227
      Red Cloud
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      That is insane. Imagine him going bonkers and shooting his opponents. After each one is shot to death, “I pardon myself.”

      • #382139
        kelly
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        which is really why all the whining from Trump deranged patriots is such a complete sham.

        morons, with no political power whatsoever, howling for the mob that wants back in the oval office.

    • #381276
      jbnw
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      If I recall correctly, it was only because he talked to another country after the election but before the inauguration.


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    • #381585
      JonLP
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      Not a good idea to cover up those meetings but of course people think Trump is innocent here so that must mean Flynn is innocent too.

      This OP ED by Flynn attracted FBI attention because of his shady Turkish lobbying contacts.

      https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/305021-our-ally-turkey-is-in-crisis-and-needs-our-support

      Trump pardoned Arpaio in the middle of his term so not buying that I can’t criticize this pardon because all Presidents do controversial pardons near the last day of office.

       

       

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      • #382154
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        The selective outrage button is out of commission for many of us, and the corrupt ship of state is manned by both parties, and will sail on.  All too often, the selective outrage folks may as well have “so be sure to vote for the blue!”  appended after each outrage.  Just pointing out that whatever it is, these days, the blue did/does/will do the same sort of thing.

        Obama pardoned 1,1927 people.  One thousand nineteen hundred and twenty-seven people.  Clinton pardoned 450, including FALN, which set off 120 bombs in the US.  Interesting, when one can be arrested for even talking about planning to set off a bomb, even at the urging of entrapment groups.  Just giving reasons why the selective outrage thing does not work here.  @jonlp

    • #381586
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      But no one mentions Reality Winner. Reality Winner was charged with the Espionage Act like others but no one is calling for her to be pardoned.

       

      I bet it is because people don’t believe in Russia interference as to why no one asks for Reality Winner to be pardoned.

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      Including Clapper, Comey, and a whole host of IC people under various administrations.  So, this pardon is one I do not think is a big deal, particularly since he was entrapped and his family was threatened by FBI.

    • #381924
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      Is the FBI going to interview the Biden official who just did the exact same thing Flynn did that dems went ape shit over for 3 years?

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

      • #382005
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        What are you smoking? @3fingerbrown

        Here is a nice list of Clinton pardons – https://www.justice.gov/pardon/clinton-pardons = 450 of them.  and, as with Clinton’s sexual peccadilloes, there is a Wiki page on Clinton’s “pardongate”.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton_pardon_controversy

        On August 11, 1999, Clinton commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a Puerto Rican paramilitary organization that set off 120 bombs in the United States, mostly in New York City and Chicago. There were convictions for conspiracy to commit robbery, bomb-making, and sedition, as well as firearms and explosives violations.[5] The 16 were convicted of conspiracy and sedition and sentenced with terms ranging from 35 to 105 years in prison. Clinton offered clemency on the condition that the prisoners renounce violence, seeing as none of the 16 had been convicted of harming anyone and they had already served 19 years in prison. This action was lobbied for by ten Nobel Laureates and the Archbishop of Puerto Rico.[6] The commutation was opposed by the U.S. Attorney’s Office, the FBI, and the Federal Bureau of Prisons and was criticized by many,[citation needed] including former victims of FALN terrorist activities and the Fraternal Order of Police.[7] Hillary Clinton, then campaigning for her first term in the Senate, initially supported the commutation,[8] but withdrew her support three days later.[9]  (I found this funny, as it most certainly  was related to getting votes, not anything else.  IMO.)

        Congress condemned this action by President Clinton, with votes of 95–2 in the Senate and 311–41 in the House.[10][11] The U.S. House Committee on Government Reform held an investigation on the matter, but the Justice Department prevented FBI officials from testifying.[12] President Clinton cited executive privilege for his refusal to turn over some documents to Congress related to his decision to offer clemency to members of the FALN terrorist group.

        And Obama pardons – https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons

        Amazing Obama spree!

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Barack_Obama#:~:text=Of%20the%20acts%20of%20clemency,of%20the%20war%20on%20drugs.

        By the end of his second and final term on January 20, 2017, United States President Barack Obama had exercised his constitutional power to grant the executive clemency—that is, “pardon, commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve”[1]—to 1,927 individuals convicted of federal crimes. Of the acts of clemency, 1715 were commutations (including 504 life sentences) and 212 were pardons.[2][3] Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges,[4] and had received lengthy and sometimes mandatory sentences at the height of the war on drugs.[5]

        Obama holds the record for the largest single-day use of the clemency power, granting 330 commutations on January 19, 2017, his last full day in office.[6][7] He also issued more commutations than the past 13 presidents combined.[2][8]

        Good grief.

        When one escapes from that bipartisan bubble, they all look like shits.

    • #383324
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      Calling for the Orange Menace to suspend the constitution, declare martial law.

      That is a major no no for an ex-general:

      Reinstate! Jag investigate, court martial, Leavenworth.

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