As the George Floyd protests continue, let's be clear where the violence is coming from

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      NJCher
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      What I like about this article is its examination of violence in the context of power.

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      Using damage to property as cover, US police have meted out shocking, indiscriminate brutality in the wake of the uprising

      The word “violence” is going to be used a lot to describe the events in US cities over the weekend and all this week. So it’s going to be important to be clear about who is violent and what violence is. Property destruction and harming human beings are profoundly different actions, and with a few exceptions (seemingly interlopers in the protests) virtually all the violence visited on human beings during this round of civil unrest across the US has been inflicted by police. 

      There is no easy way to distinguish between ardent white supporters of a black uprising and black bloc-style white people who revel in property destruction, taunting the police and escalating situations (before often slipping away before the police crack down). They are anti-authoritarians opposed to police brutality and the overreach of the state, and should not be confused with the rightwing authoritarians who many fear will use the pandemonium as cover for their own agenda, which could include creating more chaos.

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      What these authoritarians and anti-authoritarians often have in common is an enthusiasm for violence for its own sake and a belief that it is revolutionary. Most successful recent revolutions have, in fact, been largely nonviolent, and those that were violent have tended more toward highly disciplined guerrillas in the mountains than window-smashers on the high street.

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      PolecatHollerer
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      RufusTFirefly
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      “Most successful recent revolutions have, in fact, been largely nonviolent, and those that were violent have tended more toward highly disciplined guerrillas in the mountains than window-smashers on the high street.”

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      GZeusH
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      Ohio Barbarian
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      They are two fundamentally different things. Violence against property in retaliation for violence against persons is perfectly reasonable when the law only works for some people and not others.

      In fact, we shouldn’t even use the word violence for destruction or defacing of property if we are going to use the same word to describe the defacing or destruction of a human being. In fact, the English language has a word for the destruction of property, and that word is vandalism.

      So protesters committed acts of vandalism. That’s nothing compared to the violence that the police and the entire system have been inflicting on the working class in general, and black and brown people in particular, for the last 40 years. Vandalism and violence are not the same thing, and the oligarchy is deliberately confusing the two terms.

      Don’t fall for it. It’s a think trap.

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        RufusTFirefly
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        @ohiobarbarian

        This sets up a dangerous false equivalence.

        Here’s the definition of violence from the WHO’s site:

        the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, that either results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm, maldevelopment, or deprivation.”

        Property isn’t mentioned. Only people.

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        @ohiobarbarian Reminds me of the recent video of Cops walking down a street where there was no vandalism, only armed Cops pushing their violence by shooting a woman on her porch video taping them overrunning a residential neighborhood street.  I wonder if they had been given authority or if they were self directing themselves to come up to the house and baton or shoot a human being on a porch if direction were not obeyed.

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      incognito
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      That’s exactly what they are. Perfect term for what’s going on.

      They’re the instigators here. Damn thugs.

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