At least 9 dead, 16 injured in mass shooting in downtown Dayton, Ohio: Police
August 4, 2019 at 10:55 AM - Views: 112 #98235CharlesParticipant
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ByMARK OSBORNE – Aug 4, 2019, 6:41 AM ET
In the second mass shooting in less than 14 hours, at least nine people are dead and more than a dozen wounded after someone opened fire in downtown Dayton, Ohio, early Sunday, according to police.
In addition, the suspected shooter was shot and killed by responding officers. Police said they are only aware of one shooter.
Authorities responded quickly to the shooting, first reported at 1 a.m., and said police are regularly present in the crowded district popular with tourists and locals.
Miami Valley Hospital spokesperson Terrea Little told ABC News that they have received 16 victims from the shooting in the Oregon District. She did not provide further information on their injuries….
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August 4, 2019 at 11:43 AM #98292elias39Participant
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This country’s becoming undone!
August 4, 2019 at 12:03 PM #98298HorsefeathersParticipant
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Something like that.
August 4, 2019 at 12:51 PM #98364peacecorpsParticipant
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Indeed. And there are many among conservatives and the rich who relish this. They are smiling today – while they shed crocodile tears, of course.
They are called 'human' rights not "if politicians do not feel threatened" rights. Many politicians see national sovereignty/security as more important because they protect their power and wealth. Human rights often do just the opposite.
National issues (slavery/racism, income inequality, pandemics and pathetic health care, weak unions) are not solved with more states' rights. Global problems (climate change, migration, trade, war, pandemics) are not resolved with more national sovereignty.
August 4, 2019 at 12:44 PM #98308David the GnomeParticipant
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I’m starting to wonder if these incidents are organized in some way. Even for America, this is extreme. Are these things being planned somewhere?
August 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM #98370jwirrParticipant
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Not organized in the way we usually think of the word but in the sense that they are continually encouraged by the daily messages from politicians, the media, r-w churches, hate groups that put pressure on people who are already living in fear and disillusion with no answers to their problems. Don’t think for a moment that the messages are sent in ignorance of what the results will be. All the above know that they are scapegoating fear and hate for real answers. They do it deliberately – in other words it is organized.
August 4, 2019 at 2:10 PM #98388CharlesParticipant
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Personally I doubt there is any direct coordination in these horrific killings. That said the rhetoric of Trump and other right wing news/propaganda outlets are indirectly creating strong emotional cues that lead to people doing these things.
This right wing propaganda coupled with a stressful, dysfunctional society where economic conditions are making the public unstable as they try to exist has really exacerbated the situation IMO.
If there was a direct coordination those efforts would most likely surface. Instead the indirect coordination is increasing due to all the media being put out that is enforcing the right wing beliefs that America’s problems are due to certain groups.
The mass killing at the Jewish synagogue late last year is an example of some of this indirect coordination. The killer was a poster on the web site GAB where bolstered by right wing media these people come together to post and create an atmosphere where these hateful feelings are justified and normalized.
Gab: Inside the social network where alleged Pittsburgh synagogue shooter posted final message
Account in Robert Bowers’ name has been deleted but neo-Nazis and white supremacists continue to post unhindered
- Lizzie DeardenSecurity correspondent
After accusing a Jewish charity of bringing in “invaders that kill our people”, the 46-year-old allegedly wrote: “I can’t sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I’m going in.”
For anyone monitoring Gab since it was founded by a Donald Trump supporter in August 2016, the question is not why this backlash is happening but why it took so long.
Patrik Hermansson, a researcher at counter-extremism group Hope Not Hate, said Mr Bowers appeared to have “engaged with conspiratorial antisemitic groups on the platform for months”….
Unfortunately there are far too many right wing sites like Fox News, One America Network, Breitbart, etc etc coupled with social media hate sites like GAB where people can foment their rage and interact with others in order to justify and normalize their beliefs.
Having a president who is himself using hateful racist rhetoric along with these other factors has created a very toxic environment where many are emboldened to act upon these monstrous beliefs.
My 2 cents…
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August 4, 2019 at 2:47 PM #98458SorechasmParticipant
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A quick search of ‘Mass Hypnosis’ (link above) reveals the following alarming references:
Whether the hypnotist is selling religion, laughter, politics, or merely a suspension of disbelief, there comes a time when suggestion can give way to manipulation. This is one of the most well-known negative aspects of the phenomenon.
At the turn of the 20th century, French psychologist Gustave Le Bon wrote a book called “Psychologie des Foules”, which translates as ‘Psychology of the Masses’.
The book explains covert mass hypnosis, crowd psychology and how to achieve crowd control. You will not be surprised to hear that Adolf Hitler read that book soon after it was translated into German in 1908.
He used mass-hypnosis techniques very successfully in pre-war Germany and if you look at him delivering a speech at one of his rallies you will notice two things.
- Firstly, his delivery was confident and ultra-positive, suggesting that everything that he said was the truth and right.
- Secondly, he used a lot of repetition, which served to embed his suggestions to the extent that they became a belief – and as we all know once any statement becomes a belief, it defies all rational counter-argument.
- Influencers such as he all use pacing, leading and anchoring as well as repetition and very often verbal confusion. Eventually, even the biggest crowd will lose touch with rational thinking.
Speeches that are overly confident, repetitious, and word salads of verbal confusion, these ‘techniques’ seem all too familiar.
“Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls;...what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless;..." Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.Excerpt From: Yogananda, Paramahansa. “Autobiography of a Yogi.”
August 4, 2019 at 1:56 PM #98382A Simple GameParticipant
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There are two approaches to help fix this problem, get rid of the guns and/or deal with the mental issues of the people using them in this way. The Republicans won’t let us get rid of the guns which would be the best short and long term solution.
Then there is mental illness, I say you have to be mentally ill to want to do a mass shooting. Does Medicare for All cover mental health problems? The Democrats would probably join the Republicans in blocking that anyway.
Are the mass shootings part of the Reagan legacy?
From the link:
Studies of mass killings strongly suggest they began to increase in incidence in the 1980s, and that the incidence is increasing. The most comprehensive survey of mass homicides in the 20<sup>th</sup> century reported 73 such killings from 1990 to 1999. In 2017, nearly one incident meeting the federal government’s definition of “mass shooting” occurred each day. As to the percentage of mass homicides in which the perpetrator had an untreated serious mental illness, the answer varies based on how serious mental illness and mass killings are defined, the time period covered and other factors. In general, however, it appears that at least one third of mass killings are carried out by individuals with untreated serious mental illness, even when narrowly defined.
My quick research also showed me that Trump has mentioned reopening mental facilities. Probably just so much rhetoric but we can hope.
August 4, 2019 at 2:21 PM #98396Ohio BarbarianModerator
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@asimplegame , yes, Medicare for All does cover mental health. Bernie said so, and he wrote the damned bill, so he ought to know.
It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs
If Democrats don’t stand for the people, why should people stand for them?--Jim Hightower
August 4, 2019 at 7:56 PM #98729LiberalEliteMember
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It’s very difficult for me to imagine Trump doing anything positive.
I feel much better since I gave up hope.
"If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there’d be peace." – John Lennon
August 4, 2019 at 9:36 PM #98804EnthusiastParticipant
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Me too. Trump just isn’t a positive kind of guy.
I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".
August 4, 2019 at 2:07 PM #98386N2DocParticipant
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Just another day in pressure-cooker AmeriKa.
August 4, 2019 at 2:16 PM #98391bazukhovParticipant
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Is America “Great” enough yet?
Tell me, great captain, how do the angels sleep when the devil leaves his porch light on? Tom Waites
August 4, 2019 at 2:30 PM #98451David the GnomeParticipant
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Treating mental illness only works if we know how to treat it. As a mentally ill person, I have been in treatment of one kind or another for most of my life. There are very good people doing all they can to help – but unfortunately the system is controlled not by them, but by very greedy people.
It is easy to prey upon the mentally ill for profit. Medications are one expense… and psychiatrists… precious few can afford the latter, or even regular therapy and that is often with insurance.
Eliminate the financial profit motive somehow and we might have a shot. Otherwise, our treatment of the mentally ill will, in itself, remain mentally ill.
August 4, 2019 at 3:18 PM #98466NV WinoModerator
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We’ve reached critical mass in the rat cage.
August 4, 2019 at 5:35 PM #98581Flying SquirrelParticipant
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My fiancee had just been suggesting that we move to Ohio a few days ago. Guess that’s out now. (I wasn’t interested anyway, but that’s beside the point.)
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