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    • #491991
      David the Gnome
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      Anyone else getting really sick of reading that – and similar lines?  The implication that seems given in such a statement is that we have a democracy.  We do not.

      When was the last time a non-millionaire won the Presidency?  When was the last time policies passed based on the actual interests and needs of the general public?  When was the last time Congress acted more for the people than for the wealthy, corporations, or themselves?  These people vote on their own damn salaries.

      A “representative democracy” suggests that those we vote into office actually represent the will of the public.  They do not – and have not within my lifetime.  It hasn’t mattered whether the Democrats or the Republicans were in “power” in regards to this

      Now there is so much talk about our democracy being under attack, along with talk of “shared pain and sacrifice” as due to inflation and various other issues, the economy takes a nosedive.  It isn’t shared though.  It is the working class that will suffer, far more than any other.

      The wealthy aren’t going to lose enough for it to be truly painful, for it to be even vaguely remiscent of what the rest of us experience.  Yet these are the people in the halls of Congress, in the Whitehouse.  Rather than dealing with or meeting with the general public and hearing their concerns, they meet with lobbyists who promise or threaten campaign funding.

      Let me be clear: we do not have a democracy, not a republic.  What we have is an institutional oligarchy with countless roadblocks to prevent meaningful change or even upward mobility.  Our democracy is not being attacked, because it does not exist.  Their narrative is blatantly false and serves only to further support our oligarchy.

      Every election, we have a few choices based on who the party big shots tell us we are allowed to vote for.  They control those who get their names on the ballot for a nomination or a general vote.

      Write in campaigns do not work, usually, because they rarely get any serious media coverage or representation.

      So, I wish they would STFU about “our” democracy.  It is “their” oligarchy.

    • #491993
      retired liberal
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      It is still working for far too many people, even when the preponderance of evidence says otherwise..

      We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
      If Row vs. Wade is overturned, women could lose the right to not get pregnant in 26 states.
      The Republicans are four year olds. The Democrats are six year olds. There are no grownups.
      Normalizing insanity has been the conservative's sweet spot at very least since the beginning..

    • #492001
      GZeusH
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      is that ‘we’ and ‘our’ is always inclusive.  English does not have the exclusive ‘we’ like some other languages (Malay and Indonesian, for example).  In those languages, if you use the pronoun ‘kita’, it means the person being spoken to is included.  “Kita ada demokrasi” means we (all of us) have a democracy,  while “kami ada demokrasi” means we (excluding you) have a democracy.   It’s pretty clear that when Antony Blinken talks about “our democracy”, he means himself plus Biden plus Bill Gates plus the CEO of LockheedMartin, but excluding 99% of the people listening on TV.  

      Hitler 1944: Kiev is to be held to the last man.
      Biden 2022: Kiev is to be held to the last Ukrainian.

    • #492002
      David the Gnome
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      @retiredliberal

      It still kinda shocks me when I see the headlines about people who borrowed 100-400k in student loans.  A number of them are arguing that the 10k forgives (assuming it happens – which I doubt it will) won’t do much at all for them.

      I borrowed… Idk, 10-12 for my one year in college.  The interest had brought it up to 16 or so, but now I have no clue if I still owe it or not.  Doesn’t show up on my credit report at all.

      I digress, we are probably talking about – maybe – some ten-twenty percent of Americans that the economy works reasonably well for.  Even they, those more middle class, are going to struggle.

      Meanwhile, Congress and the President are doing jack shit as regards the big issues.  Billions for Ukraine, nearly a trillion for the military, but… Boost the safety net?  Tax the rich?  Fund social security by lifting the cap?  Naaah.

      The large oil companies are still getting massive subsidies, even now.

      Of course, not sure it will matter if we do end up in a war with Russia, China, or both.  All while our President is struggling with dementia and half of his handlers seem to actually want such a war.

      Democracy indeed.

    • #492003
      Utopian Leftist
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      Thanks for pointing that out, David. This country has never been a democracy yet, not from the beginning, and it is still run as a plantation.

      Our media does a very similar trick by constantly ignoring the ever-more-desperate plight of the poor. I don’t just mean news omission, either. I haven’t watched network TV in over ten years but when was the last time, other than Roseanne, that any show featured a poor family? Was it Good Times, perhaps? In American shows and movies, every smiley face lives in a penthouse loft, even if they only work as a barista. The propaganda is, in other words, covert and subliminal. By ignoring and glossing over the constantly increasing economic desperation of the masses, our media contributes to the advance of the social wars. Racial hatred is more socially acceptable now than attempts to uplift the poor.

      Common sense reeks increasingly of socialism. Too bad so few see that.

      “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
      "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voter will choose a Republican every time." ~ Harry Truman

      • #492014
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        It makes so sense. We gather in all kinds of groups, for all kinds of reasons. From partying, to religion, to meetings for work, for work, for planing for togethers. We pool our resources for charities that the government refused to provide for.
        Fire, police, public schools, Libraries, streets, parks, even our military, are a few examples of socialism. Yet the concept of “socialism” is somehow bad and needs to be eliminated from our society. We have moved so far from socialism, our own government refuses to help its own citizens. A good example are our veterans, homeless, living on the streets. There are private organizations doing what our government should be doing. What the Hell? Why do we tolerate any homeless?

        Danziger - Billions to kill people around the world; Not a dime to help people at home

        Insurance vs Single Payer

        We are an arrogant species, believing our fantasy based "facts" are better than the other person's fake facts.
        If Row vs. Wade is overturned, women could lose the right to not get pregnant in 26 states.
        The Republicans are four year olds. The Democrats are six year olds. There are no grownups.
        Normalizing insanity has been the conservative's sweet spot at very least since the beginning..

        • #492064
          Utopian Leftist
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          I had an 84-year-old friend tell me how hopeless everything is and how humanity has already tried every solution and failed with it. I said that no, we had not yet made a true attempt at Socialism. He asked if I had never heard of the Russian Revolution and Stalin. I could not convince him that Stalin’s government was Authoritarian, rather than Socialist. Meanwhile, all of his life the CIA has been murdering every socialist movement that happened anywhere on the globe. And the media has made Socialism a dirty word.

          Well, he was right about this much: the situation does appear hopeless. But I believe that someday humanity will come together and try what I consider to be REAL socialism: where workers own the means of production, AND no one has to go without necessities. No matter whether one works or not, no inhabitant of our nation (or our world for that matter) should be without the necessities: food, water, shelter, power, education, healthcare, etc.).

          “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” ~ Krishnamurti
          "Given the choice between a Republican and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voter will choose a Republican every time." ~ Harry Truman

    • #492138
      Ohio Barbarian
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      Richard Nixon was the last President elected who wasn’t worth a million bucks when he was elected. He was worth a mere $515,000 at the time, which would still make him a multimillionaire today, accounting for inflation. To find a president who wasn’t a millionaire even by our standards, you’d have to go back to either Truman or Eisenhower.

      Never let your morals stop you from doing the right thing.--Isaac Asimov

      The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.--Julius Nyerere

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