Barbarian at the Gates: American monsters have their redeeming qualities, but foreign monsters don't. Why is that?

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      Ohio Barbarian
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      The recent reaction of the political establishment to George W. Bush’s video about Americans rising to the challenge of combating the crises caused by the current pandemic, complete with stirring emotional music, is the latest example of this. George W. Bush is a war criminal who, at the very least, lied his way into the Iraq War, is responsible for the deaths of at least 200,000 Iraqi civilians(probably far more), sanctioned torture, curtailed our civil liberties, and encouraged the sociopathic behavior on Wall Street that directly led to the Great Recession.

      Yet now, good Democrats thump their chests and say George was a true American patriot, and so polite and civil, so genteel, so honorable. John McCain, rightly mocked for being a warmonger and twisting a Beach Boys song into a call to attack Iran, was such a great patriot. Barack Obama said his favorite President was Ronald Reagan because of how the latter had restored national pride; never mind the fact that he pushed us to the brink of nuclear war with the Soviet Union and illegally funded and trained thousands of Fascist thugs who tortured, raped, and murdered tens of thousands of Central Americans.

      Douglas MacArthur supposedly abandoned dozens of American soldiers to die at the hands of the Japanese in the Phillipines so there would be room to evacuate his cherished grand piano, pushed a strategy of invading islands that didn’t need to be invaded to defeat the Japanese which resulted in tens of thousands of American deaths, and definitely bombed China in absolute defiance of presidential orders during the Korean War, yet was greeted with tickertape parades after Truman fired the son of a bitch.

      Yes, the conventional wisdom goes, these American leaders did do terrible things, but their motives were good. They made mistakes, but they didn’t really commit criminal acts. They loved their country in their own way, and we should respect that and not besmirch their memory.

      Foreign monsters, OTOH, are not given the same leeway unless it’s politically convenient at the time for American rulers. Fidel Castro was called a monster for jailing dissidents and preventing political opposition in Cuba, but he is never given credit for being a Cuban patriot in his own way or for ending Cuban illiteracy or establishing one of the best health care systems in the world.

      Hugo Chavez was labeled a monster for using somewhat heavy-handed tactics in dealing with his own domestic opposition, not to mention for nationalizing the oil industry, but was never given any credit for raising the standard of living for most of the Venezuelan people or for being a Venezuelan patriot himself.

      Vladimir Putin is rightfully described as an oligarch, ironically by American oligarchs themselves, and for concentrating power into his and his close associates’ hands, while his critics have a suspicious habit of falling out of windows. He is never, however, given any credit for maintaining many of the old Soviet welfare state policies that make the Russian people’s lives better–like free universal health care and education, to name just two examples–and for his obvious Russian patriotism.

      There’s clearly a double standard at work here. Not only that, but there’s a flip side. Some American dissidents will rightfully call an American monster a monster, but the same people will often turn around and treat rivals like Castro, Chavez, Putin and Xi as if they were all sweetness and light. The Cubans, Russians, Venezuelans and Chinese are always to be believed, whereas nothing the American government says is ever to be believed. Facts don’t matter, the source of the news is all that matters.

      To say that if RT or Xinhua say it, it must be true is just as silly as saying the same thing about MSNBC, CNN, or Fox. Yet I see this aspect of American vs. foreign monster bias all the time. Where does this dualism come from?

      I think part of the problem is an unwillingness to think outside a paradigm and, instead of questioning the whole thing, turning it on its head instead. Satanists remain trapped in the Christian paradigm by switching which god is Good and which is Evil. They may shock Christians, but pagans and atheists both find them to be kind of silly.

      The same thing applies equally to those who always find something good about an American who did horrible things while never giving foreign leaders the benefit of the doubt as it does to those who do the opposite because they are so disgusted at American ruling class propaganda they’d believe the Russians or Chinese if they said they have proof that Hillary Clinton is a deposed evil queen from Barsoom.

      I believe that such thinking is simplistic and potentially dangerous, because it distracts attention away from the historical, economic, and other forces that contribute to these individual leaders making the decisions that they do. I also think awareness of it is the best way to combat it.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #312856
      NV Wino
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      Also, women held revered positions in medicine and law. (I do have a hard time finding any good points with is sadistic sons, though.) Now, with the U.S. intervention, the country is in shambles.


      @deadpool
      How about posting on the Daily Radical?

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      • #312888
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        @nvwino Under Saddam Iraqi minorities were protected for the most part, and women had a lot more liberties. The same can be said for Assad in Syria, but we never saw the corporate media emphasize that. Nope. Saddam=Evil Dictator. Full Stop.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #312882
      salemcourt
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      Gaddafi was probably better than any US president (from 1980 onwards) for his commitment to human rights.

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        @salemcourt He didn’t do shit to earn it. He announced he’d give a speech in Cairo just to show that he thought Muslims were human beings, but other than that he’d done nothing.

        Drone Tuesdays and the Libya Disaster came later. Gods, I despise that man.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #312965
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      The funny thing is OB, almost all these guys, whatever one thinks of them, wouldn’t be in power if not for America’s endless interference in their countries affairs.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

      • #312976
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        All that manipulation of other countries’ leaders eventually leads to leaders who are much better equipped to defy the Empire and get away with it. As the Empire’s ruling class becomes more self-absorbed and full of itself, the less competent its own leaders become while that of those of its rivals increases.

        There was no Julius Caesar or Trajan around to challenge Theodoric and Attila.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

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      Deadpool
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    • #313399
      So Far From Heaven
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      American Monsters have to be ‘Exceptional’ by definition, don’t they?

      Hence we treat them better.

      • #313459
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        @sffh The Romans and the British thought they were exceptional, too, in their years of Empire, and some of them in power got more and more extreme about that as time went by. Eventually, they just looked either plain mean or utterly ridiculous or both. Sound familiar?

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook.--Harry Truman

    • #327328
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      Kicked and recommended!

      I would like to remind you that U.S. health insurance companies do not contribute anything to health care. They are only a PARASITIC middle man receiving an undeserved cut of "FREE MONEY".

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