Barbarian at the Gates: Joe Biden and Son Awash in a Sea of Corruption, or Another Reason Not to be a Loyal Democrat.

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    • #157793
      Ohio Barbarian
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      This story of fetid Vichy Democrat corruption started back in March of 2014, when Russia annexed the Crimea and President Obama, for reasons unbeknownst to me, made Vice-President Joe Biden his point man on the issue. As this Politico article accurately describes, Biden was quick to see that his own family, through the person of his son Hunter, profited handsomely from this splendid opportunity. Here’s the beef:

      The controversy can be traced back to March 2014, when Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula in Eastern Ukraine, setting off an international crisis. As the administration’s point-man on Ukraine, Biden led the U.S. response.

      That April, Biden’s son, Hunter, was appointed to the board of Burisma Holdings, a Ukrainian natural gas company, despite lacking substantive experience working in Ukraine or the energy sector. He received compensation that was reportedly as high as $50,000 a month.

      At the time, Burisma was seeking to build inroads to U.S. Democrats as it faced investigative scrutiny. The same month Hunter Biden joined Burisma, the U.K. government froze bank accounts that allegedly belonged to its owner, Mykola Zlochevsky, as part of a money laundering investigation.

      Two years later, Joe Biden successfully pressured the Ukrainian government to remove its prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, who was unpopular with Western leaders, threatening to withhold loan guarantees if it did not. At the time, Shokin’s office had open probes of Burisma and Zlochevsky. Shokin’s successor closed the investigations, but then reopened an investigation of Burisma last year. (Emphasis mine)

      We know that Biden pressured the Ukrainian government quash the corruption investigation because the privileged, arrogant dumbfuck bragged about it some time ago, much like another privileged, arrogant dumbfuck, Rudi Giuliani, spilled the beans on CNN that he, and implicitly Donald Trump, pressured a subsequent Ukrainian government to reopen the investigation for the express purpose of getting some good dirt on Joe Biden. This is probably what the intelligence agency whistleblower for whom Nancy Pelosi has gotten her panties all atwist was blowing about–Trump wanted to exchange American weapons or something for said dirt and proposed it directly to the Ukrainian president.

      They’re soooo stupid. Both Trump and Biden. So corrupt. I mean, really, why would a Ukrainian natural gas company pay the son of the Vice-President of the United States $50,000 a god-damned month? The corruption is about as flagrant as anything Al Capone or the old Italian Mafia ever did, more so, since there’s not even an effort to hide it by the parties involved. Instead, it’s portrayed by the Vichy Dems as just the way business is conducted: Nothing to see here. Look at Trump! He’s really bad! He broke the LAW! How dare you criticize good old Joe! You must be a Trump supporter!!! Outcast unclean!!! You’re DISLOYAL to the Democratic Party!!!!

      What a crock of shit. For one thing, the only oath I ever took public service-wise was to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and it’s pretty damned clear to me that George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, and Nancy Pelosi all routinely ignore the Constitution when it suits them, which makes them enemies of it, does it not? I never took any loyalty oath to any political party, and people like Joe Biden are not deserving of my loyalty, or yours, or even that of members of SV. Most elected Democrats and Republicans are corrupt as fuck, and most people know that.

      It’s one big reason voter turnout is so low. Why should voters have to choose between horseshit and bullshit? The fact is, they don’t, and no amount of vote-shaming or nonvote-shaming will change that any more than it will change the direction of the Earth’s rotation.

      Jesus H. Christ on a Harley, this shit’s so malodorously obvious, yet people still say the only priority this election is defeating Donald Trump, and that Joe Biden has the best chance of doing that. Anyone who thinks that way can’t see the shit for the septic tanks, and I cannot take them seriously.

      That is all. Have a good weekend.

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #157863
      N2Doc
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      I’m convinced the whole “Biden  beats Trump” thing is simply self-reinforcing propaganda. There are a large number of people who really hate trump, and haven’t considered anything beyond that. They hear constantly the refrain ‘Biden has the best chance of beating Trump’. and support him without  question. But the unspoken question is “Hillary was supposed to beat Trump too, what is different this time?” And “Why would you support a senile old corporate tool when there are other options (including other corporate tools) available?”

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      GZeusH
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      To add to your argument, the 2014 referendum the Crimeans held to choose whether to stay in Ukraine or join Russia was probably cleaner than most U.S. elections, definitely cleaner than the 2016 Democratic primary.  Crimea is populated mostly by Russians, with a 10% Crimean Tatar (muslim) minority, and only occasionally to you hear Ukrainian (other than on the TV set).

      Ukrainian nationalism is an excuse to paper over a lot of bad behavior, from the pro-Nazi activities in WWII to Trump and Biden today.

      Corporate America consists of totalitarian entities laser-focused on short-term greed.

      If you just got finessed into calling the medicine that won the 2015 Nobel Prize for its role in treating human disease ‘horse de-wormer’ then you need to sit the next couple of plays out.

      • #157871
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @gzeush That’s true. Crimeans are about 90% ethnic Russian, and they did vote overwhelmingly to join the Russian Federation. There is no rational reason to dispute the authenticity of the results. Americans are not told that the neo-Nazi Ukrainian government, installed by a German-American coup, did things like prohibit the teaching of Russian in public schools. Reaction in Russian-speaking areas was the equivalent of what would happen in Canada if French was banned in Quebec or English was everywhere else.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

      • #158311
        jbnw
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        There is a lot of history there – Crimea was given to the Ukrainian Socialist Republic as an autonomous republic by the USSR in 1954, and I remember a friend in Crimea hating to be forced to use Ukrainian rather than their native Russian in the early 90s. There’s a bit at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Republic_of_Crimea .

        It’s very complicated. I am neither Ukrainian nor Russian, but I do have Ukrainian and Russian friends heard a lot, and saw videos I would rather forget during the uprising that led to the removal of Yanukovych.

        I was on Maidan (Independence) Square in Kyiv (the current transliteration from Ukrainian) a couple of weeks ago. Kyiv is a beautiful city with a complex history.

    • #158012
      Babel 17
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      Biden has a problem if voters just simply read son Hunter’s Wikipedia page (edit: and follow the links. The page looks like it’s been “sanitized”). It’s that tawdry seeming.

      Biden supposedly appeals to blue collar workers. I don’t see them as nodding their heads in understanding as a coke using washout from the Navy starts making yooge amounts of money from an energy company with its hooks in a troubled country like the Ukraine. Especially when his father browbeat the government in a manner that looks like it helped the company his son inexplicably worked for.

      And from there it’s the shortest of leaps to wondering what Hunter Biden brought to the table for a company trying to ingratiate itself to a Chinese government controlled company. And before sticking the landing of that leap, they can ask why John Kerry’s stepson wanted to distance himself from the Ukranian deal.

      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/john-kerrys-son-cut-business-ties-with-hunter-biden-over-ukrainian-oil-deal

      This whistleblower was known to key Democrats. That they’re playing this card now might be a sign that the establishment thinks Biden can’t last, or in order to last needs to transform himself. They’ll use this against Trump now, even though the risk to Biden is obvious, because Biden is already damaged goods.

       

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      jbnw
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      • #158816
        Ohio Barbarian
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        @jbnw Ain’t modern technology wonderful? Yah, I had seen that, and thank you for posting it here. The rest of you, just listen to this less than a minute long segment and tell me whether what Biden did to protect his son while he was Vice-President is really any different from Trump pressuring the new Ukrainian president to investigate the corruption of the Biden family?

        Neither has the moral high ground. Both are corrupt beyond redemption. Americans, and the world, deserve better than a choice between those two weasels.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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