Barbarian at the Gates: Only Civilized Men Can Give Us Concentration Camps. Only Good People Can Stop Them.

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  • #78173

    Ohio Barbarian
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    Our barbarian ancestors, you know–the ones who didn’t want to live in cities–did some horrible things. They did things like enslave others, made drinking cups out of the skulls of their enemies, committed wholesale massacres, looted, plundered, raped, pillaged, tortured people for hours to days before letting them die, built pyramids of skulls, things like that. They weren’t, however, very good at institutionalizing horrors that lasted for years. No patience, I guess.

    But, not to be outdone by the barbarous peoples they wanted to exploit for fun and profit, civilized men came up with something that never occurred to any poor barbarian, something that they claimed was necessary to preserve the purity of their splendid civilizations from those who sought to demean them, something that was only really possible if one had a wondrous industrial civilization, something incredibly efficient at accomplishing the thing it was designed to do—the concentration camp.

    Who invented this pinnacle of civilization? Well, it was the British, 117 years ago, in South Africa. The civilized, refined, cultured British Empire had a problem, you see. They were determined to bring the benefits of their obviously superior civilization to most of the rest of the world, but there were these folks in South Africa who boorishly resisted attempts to incorporate them into the Greatest Empire Ever On Which the Sun Never Set. They called themselves the Boers, later Afrikaaners. They were descendants of Dutch settlers who had colonized part of a sparsely inhabited South Africa a couple of centuries before(there were a few Hottentots and Bushmen; the Xhosa and the Zulus were still largely north of the modern country when the Dutch first arrived).

    During the Second Boer War, the Boers waged a brilliantly effective guerrilla campaign against the more numerous and better-armed British. The British were humiliated and determined to put a stop to this forthwith. So a very civilized man, and aristocrat to boot, Lord Kitchener, came up with a most effective strategy. He had British soldiers round up Boer women and children and concentrate them into camps guarded by barbed wire and guns and told the male Boer soldiers that they would remain there until the Boers learned to do as they were told by their imperial British betters.

    Kitchener was not only imperialist and civilized, he was also mindful of wasteful government spending, so he didn’t lavish imperial funds on the Boer captives, and the camps quickly became overcrowded, deplorable, disease-ridden, and hungry. According to later official British figures, over 28,000 Boers died in those concentration camps, 24,000 of them under the age of 16. It seems it never occurred to Lord Kitchener and British imperialists that cramming thousands of people into small spaces without adequate food, clean water, or sanitation might just be deleterious to children’s health, and even after they did they just didn’t care. They were the Other, they were the enemies of Empire. The camps were necessary because they accomplished their objective.

    Yes, the Boers surrendered. Long live the Empire!

    Even if the Boers hadn’t surrendered to save their remaining women and children, it is likely that the South African camps would eventually have been shut down by the British Government itself. There was outspoken opposition to the practice, with British journalists and activists visiting the camps and reporting on the horrendous conditions in the British press. David Lloyd George, the future Prime Minister, was the loudest on the floor of the House of Commons. As you will see, history sometimes rhymes.

    So much for the British version of this product of civilization. We are more familiar with the German ones of the 1930s which morphed into death camps in the 1940s, that is, camps that were deliberately designed to murder as many human beings by the most efficient means possible. Most of you reading this are also no doubt familiar with the American concentration camps built to contain American citizens of Japanese ancestry during World War II, one of which is now being reopened to house another bunch of Others right now.

    Yes, right here in America, land of the wage slave and home of the cravenly leader, our brave men and women of Immigration and Customs Enforcement are defending us from an invasion of desperate brown-skinned women and children fleeing their home countries made insanely dangerous by a combination of Imperial American foreign policy and climate-changed induced drought. If these women and children are not stopped then, by gosh, they might rob us and kill us and rape us and take our jobs and stuff, and maybe even encourage our kids to learn Spanish! Can’t have that.

    So ICE is arresting(officially, detaining) these people, separating children from their mothers just like the Nazis did, confining children in cages, cramming dozens of adults into cells designed for a few, and placing thousands of others in tents and old hangars surrounded by armed guards. Meanwhile, the old Japanese internment camp in Fort Sill, Oklahoma, is being reopened to concentrate thousands more immigrants who have been peaceably living at large in America for years after their impending roundup, announced by Our Fuhrer Donald Trump by tweet just yesterday and confirmed by ICE.

    There are Americans speaking out against this monstrously civilized evil, such as Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, who had the unmitigated gall to call our concentration camps, where children are already dying, what they actually are. Liz Cheney was most upset, damning AOC for daring to compare our patriotic concentration camps to Nazi death camps, even though AOC made no such comparison. The thing is, if concentration camps are allowed to exist for very long, they nearly always turn into de facto death camps because people always die in the damned things, and if you think Trump and his ilk are incapable of turning them into actual death camps then I think you’re a naive fool.

    They hate the Other. The Other aren’t really human beings to them, just a threat or a nuisance that needs to be thrown out of our civilized nation like a homeowner gets rid of ants or cockroaches. That logic is always where this sort of civilized thinking leads unless it is stopped and defeated.

    The good news is that concentration camp thinking can be defeated. In Britain, it never happened again because people like David Lloyd George effectively condemned it. In America in the 1940s Eleanor Roosevelt vociferously opposed them and her husband was careful to insure the camps did not turn into death camps, and closed them before the war’s end. In Germany, it took conquering armies to shut them down.

    Right now, in America, we are at a turning point. I urge all of you to make as much noise as you can and support our leaders like AOC and Bernie Sanders who are steadfastly opposed to new American concentration camps. We can win this fight, but it will be a fight. And at the end of the day, who knows? The Congresswoman who first outspokenly opposed the reincarnation of this particular horror of civilization may just be its leader some day. It’s happened before, after all.

    We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

  • #78212

    rampart
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    another fine episode , barbarian.

    of course, the industrial levels of genocide and slave labor that were the trademark of the Victorian era, from the “jewel in the crown” to the potato blighted fields of Ireland were not new. but the Victorians and their American colonial partners did perfect the process.

    given the cruel efficiency of the Nazis, I suppose we should at least take comfort in the comic inefficiency of the deplorables.

    • #78229

      Ohio Barbarian
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      I suppose we should at least take comfort in the comic inefficiency of the deplorables.

      Now that’s a sad statement. Our best hope of slowing down the concentration camp process is the ignorance, stupidity, and sheer incompetence of those who wish to recreate that system. They are becoming more incompetent by the day, it seems. Even the lies being spewed to start a war with Iran are so poorly done that the only people in the world who believe them are Americans who watch only cable news.

      Even some Republicans are openly opposing an Iran War, and publicly stating the simple truth that the 2001 Authorization of the Use of Military Force cannot apply to Iran because the AUMF justified going after Al-Qaeda, and the Iranians are Shia. There has never been a connection between the Islamic Republic of Iran and Al-Qaeda; they’re mortal enemies.

      That fact’s so common knowledge even Republican Congresscritters know it. We may avoid a new war yet.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

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    Mr. Mickeys Mom
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    Man…. THIS was WORTH the wait, OB!!!!!!!!!

    I seen all good people come to crash the gates, so unsatisfied, I’m on my way!

    Hell, no... I'm not giving up...

  • #78444

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    AOC traveled to the border and saw for herself that being “detained” (temporary) is not the same as being “concentrated” (permanent – often until death).  She’s called it like it is, and yes, we must support her (and Bernie) often and loudly.

  • #78558

    ravensong
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    Recommend.  However, this multi-regional Hunter-Gatherer Amazon Barbarian by DNA objects to the characterization of her ancestral cultures as universally being brutal, violence driven bloodthirsty “savages”.

    History is written by the conquerors.  At least the ones who wrote shit down.  If the goddess damned greedy ass early farmers didn’t just arbitrarily decide they could own land for themselves, we wouldn’t be dealing with all this cursed insane authoritarian civilized mass savagery right now, and Mother Earth would not be struggling to survive because of the mindless greed and destruction of the vast majority of “civilized” peoples who have no conception of, or desire for, natural harmony, balance, respect, and sustainability.

    The vicious cycle that began when some greedy mofo managed to convince his band to take more for themselves than they needed, and that killing “Others” to get “More” was the way to do it is culminating in struggle for the very survival of Mother Earth.

    The Dodos are coming home to roost.

    Or something like that.

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    • #78610

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      Well, maybe your ancestors weren’t. I know all of mine sure were at one time or the other, and so were most people’s. I don’t see it as anything to be ashamed of; it’s only when people wish to continue with modern versions of those practices that because of whatever reason I have a problem.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

      • #79308

        ravensong
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        I was mostly just having some “fun” with a little (mostly B.C.E.) speculation and projection, partially regarding the origins of the concept of private property, and its nature, legitimacy, and long term impact on people and the planet.

        Some of my ancestors undoubtedly provided for themselves, and their families, by sacking, plundering and pillaging various urban settlements and assorted empire subjugated farms and villages around the globe.

        “Right now, in America, we are at a turning point. I urge all of you to make as much noise as you can and support our leaders like AOC and Bernie Sanders who are steadfastly opposed to new American concentration camps. We can win this fight, but it will be a fight. And at the end of the day, who knows? The Congresswoman who first outspokenly opposed the reincarnation of this particular horror of civilization may just be its leader some day. It’s happened before, after all.”

        Promote Freedom From Religion, and Separation of Church and State.

        See how much you will pay for Healthcare under Bernie Sanders Medicare for All plan:
        https://www.mfacalc.com/
        Together, together, my friends, we have begun a political revolution to transform America, and that revolution, our revolution, continues! ~ Bernie

  • #87742

    David the Gnome
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    @ohiobarbarian

    You know better than I what it took to shut down those camps in Nazi Germany.  What will it take in Nazi America?  The problem, my friend, is that the ship has sailed – the camps are there, filled, guarded – and they are places of filth, torture, disease, death, hunger.  For the crime of, in most of these cases, running away and seeking a place to be safe… these people are imprisoned, separated from their families, often raped or beaten – and for all the thousands of cases of injustice reported, almost none are really given any attention.  Not enough resources, they say, not enough manpower – while the facilities themselves tend to be privately owned/run – how the fuck that ever became legal I do not understand.  I didn’t realize that a private entity had the right to detain people in such a way, without trial, without proper charges, hell, without even the least bit of concern for their humanity.

    The Trump administration is not going to willingly let this go.  The Trump administration didn’t even start it, it was common during the Bush and Obama years – it is only the rabid hatred of Trump that has brought so much of this into the light for us.  How do we stop this corrupt, tyrannical regime?  Under a Biden Presidency, it would continue, though the noise would be somewhat reduced.  At this point… I am not hopeful that anything less than a disaster of epic proportions will do it.  Maybe a financial crash, maybe a civil war.  Too many people just aren’t willing to get out in the streets and make demands – as long as their lives are largely unaffected by this.  However much sympathy or empathy they may feel, they have their own lives and families to worry about – and so many are barely getting by.

    Justice…. my lifetime has shown me that most world leaders spit on the very concept.  Prosecuting attorneys, district attorneys, judges, juries, so many of such have been corrupted to turn justice on its head.  Get a few high priced lawyers and a few billion dollars – and you can get away with murder, rape – and anything else.  This?  This crime is on such a wide and brutal scale it will take decades to properly sort everything and hold people accountable, if such a thing is ever even attempted.

    For this alone, many people should go to prison.  Trump is not alone in this.  No, we should be asking, too, why Bush and Obama enabled and promoted these practices, why Clinton got this particular ball rolling.  We are Americans, whatever else we may be, this Nation was founded on certain principles – and to me, freedom is the highest principle of all.  I am so angry at the treatment to innocent people here that I can barely contain myself.  But what can I do?  My fiancé reminds me that I am one man… and to change things like this, we need a great many.  Things that my Grandfathers, World War II veterans… would have been utterly disgusted by and ashamed of – and both of them were republicans.

    Man, how shit has changed.  Welcome to Nazi America, an ICE (thug) representative will be with you shortly.

  • #237237

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    A friend and I were talking about this subject and came up with a question. We are both of German American heritage. My son-in-law insists that the reason the Japanese did not attack the mainland was because everyone in America had guns. I believe that is idiocy because the guns we did have were hunting and tools of butchering etc. They were not military weapons. Out of this discussion I asked her if she understood why German communities were not put in concentration camps like the Japanese?

    To my knowledge we were in no way threatened during WWII. During WWI we lost the use of our language but were not incarcerated then either. Yet I know for a fact that there were Nazis among these communities. Many of them still spouting their bigotry even into the 70s – I listened to much of it in Bible class. So why weren’t we targeted like the Japanese?

    jwirr

    • #237245

      Ohio Barbarian
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      @jwirr The short answers are racism and envy. Let’s face it, people of Japanese descent were just easier for most Americans, white Americans in particular, to spot than were Germans. There were also a lot of white businessmen on the West Coast who were jealous of successful Japanese businessmen and wanted to steal both their businesses and their homes, and this really did happen. A lot.

      But that’s not the whole picture. Several thousand German-Americans and some Italian-Americans were sent to internment camps during World War II. Most of the camps were in south Texas, and had ties to organizations like the Bund or had been noticeably outspoken in their support for the Nazis before December, 1941. My mom could attest to that.

      In San Antonio in 1940, there were three languages commonly spoken on the streets–English, Spanish, and German. There was, still is, a large German population there and in the Hill Country to the north where they’d settled as far back as the 1820s. My mom used to tell me how horrified she was when hundreds of German Texans marched through downtown San Antonio, waving Nazi flags, after Paris fell that June.

      That did not go over well. Many of those marchers, and their families, were interned for a couple of years. We just never hear about them.

      Oh, and your son-in-law is mistaken. The Japanese had neither the military capability to invade the American mainland nor the desire to do so. They wanted control over the oil-rich Dutch East Indies so they could continue building their empire in China, and all their attention was focused on new conquests like the Phillipines, Malaya, Burma, etc. and building strong defenses around their new borders.

      As far as I know, there was a proposal to conquer Hawaii that was rejected as impractical, but the Japanese objective was always to get the United States to make peace and recognize Japanese domination over the western Pacific. They never intended to invade the mainland and wouldn’t have gotten very far if they’d tried.

      We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.--Franklin Delano Roosevelt

      With Bernie Sanders, we have the receipts. --Nina Turner

      • #237255

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        Thank you. A lot of history I did not know about and should have. Our German’s were located mainly in NW Iowa and were farmers. I suspect that was part of the reason we were left alone. Soldiers have to be fed. All I can say is I hope this move toward fascism ends soon.

        Just got done reading “A Warning” by anonymous. Obviously written by a Republican so much of it I did not exactly like but in the end he talks about the need to beat tRump in the end. Also all Rs should read it because they have put this country in dire danger. He (tRump) is worse than we ever suspected.

        jwirr

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