Barbarian at the Gates: The Congressives

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    • #386738
      Ohio Barbarian
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      I haven’t had all that much to say lately; for the most part, I just feel like I’m repeating myself, and that gets old even for me. Recent events, however, inspired some linguistic, pun-ishing part of my brain, for a new word just popped into my head–Congressives.

      A Congressive is either a member of Congress, or any other politician for that matter, who proclaims progressive policy positions and often inspires millions of people with their rhetoric, but when push comes to shove, either refuses to fight the forces of the status quo and/or bows down to power. 2020 has revealed dozens of them, starting with one Bernard Sanders and most recently exemplified by one Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

      Bernie Sanders went from standing on the cusp of securing the Democratic nomination for President to endorsing a demented old Fascist in a matter of weeks. AOC burst on the scene out of nowhere two years ago at the head of an outspokenly progressive campaign to unseat one of Nancy Pelosi’s most established cronies. The first warning sign that she wasn’t what she appeared to be was a Netflix documentary that streamed within a few weeks of her stunning election.

      “She’s being groomed,” said Mrs. Barbarian, “just like Obama. Out of nowhere. She sounds good now, but there’s something about her…the story is too good to be true. You watch. I’ll bet she’ll learn to be a good girl and then to rake it in just like Obama did.” I was more optimistic, but my optimism was misplaced.

      Bernie Sanders saw a full court press by the Democratic establishment and the media to defeat him in the primary, and after a Super Tuesday with glaring evidence of possible election fraud, said nothing about that and then meekly and obsequiously gave his full-throated support to one of the arch-enemies of his own movement, Joe Biden.

      Then came the CARES Act, the largest theft of wealth from the working and middle classes in the history of humanity, and every single member of the Progressive Caucus voted for it. All of them–Sanders, the Squad, Ro Khanna, Jarapal, all of them. They could have stopped it by voting no or even by abstaining, but they didn’t even insist on a roll call vote! It was passed by acclamation. They could have insisted that there would be no Wall Street bailout unless the American people got some sort of UBI and free health care for at least the duration of the pandemic, but they went along to get along.

      That is when they became members in good standing of the Congressive coalition. Self-styled progressives who talk the talk but seldom if ever walk the walk. Con artists with Twitter followers and YouTube talking head cheerleaders. I pretty much gave up on all of them right then and there.

      Now along comes a comedian with too much time on his hands because he can’t do live shows, so he looks at the rules for electing the Speaker of the House and, lo and behold, it takes a majority vote in the House to do that. Since the Vichy Dems fucked up so badly that they lost a bunch of seats in an election against Donald Trump, of all people, the Democrat majority had shrunk to a point that only a handful of withheld votes from the Congressives could force a floor vote on Medicare for All. So he advocated for doing that as loudly as he could. What has followed had been educational.

      First, Jimmy Dore went after Mark(I think it’s Mark), Pocan, one of the faux-progressive leaders. Pocan proved his Congressive credentials with some lame excuse which even a pothead could demolish in five minutes, and then wisely STFU. AOC, OTOH, went on a Twitter offensive against this new heresy from the left.

      She was immediately outthought on Twitter by a football player who pays attention. She should have realized immediately that she was facing real leftists, not Republicans who are easier to shoot down on Twitter than fish in a barrel, or “centrist” Democrats who are only slightly more challenging. She came back with more lame excuses, more lies, and a sort of helpless nice girl appeal to people who don’t want to face the fact that their latest leftist icon is nothing more than another vote for the re-election of the old kleptocratic vampire from San Francisco, another Congressive who supports the right policies but will do absolutely nothing to fight to make those policies a reality which the majority of Americans need, and need badly.

      As of last night, she’d been shot to shit. Even those who personally disliked the sometimes abrasive Jimmy Dore came out and said he was right and AOC was wrong. It was like the sun rose and, in the light of day, some of them noticed that AOC was not acting in their interests or in the interests of all of those who had supported her for the last couple of years.

      Unfortunately, thus far nothing has changed these Congressives into challenging the Democrat Party leadership outright and waging real political warfare in the trenches of Congress. Bernie Sanders, to his credit, did come the closest when he joined with Republican presidential aspirant Josh Hawley and forced what is a likely $600 one-time payment and an extension of enhanced unemployment and SNAP benefits, which is better than nothing, by the simple expedient of threatening to make them work through the Christmas holidays.

      Well that, and Mitch McConnell realizes that no stimulus payment means he won’t be Senate majority leader much longer, but I digress.

      Anyway, that’s better than nothing, and they did it by challenging the Senate leadership of both parties. So far, I see nothing from the Congressives in the House that is worth more than John Nance Garner’s bucket of warm spit.

      To conclude for now, beware of the Congressives. They are not what they say they are. Until they prove otherwise by their actions, not their rhetoric, they are best viewed with a strong dose of skepticism and at least a good shot of cynicism.

       

      It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

      You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

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      lownslow
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    • #386753
      Haikugal
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      Well said OB, thanks. @sofarfromheaven please put this on the daily radical, thanks!! Do I have a second?

      What we have here is a failure to communicate. Cool Hand Luke

    • #386767
      ThouArtThat
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      @ohiobarbarian

      Hi ob,

      As we say in Texas – “All hat, no cattle.”

      TAT

      “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
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    • #386775
      djean111
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      https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/17/kathleen-rice-aoc-house-committee-448001

      Rep. Kathleen Rice has captured a prized seat on the House Energy and Commerce Committee after a contentious showdown with fellow New Yorker, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

      Rice and Ocasio-Cortez have been battling behind the scenes for weeks to secure one of the few open seats on the exclusive committee, which oversees everything from health care policy to climate issues. Tensions spilled into the open Thursday in a private meeting of the Steering and Policy Committee, where Democrats were forced to choose between the two members in a tense — and awkward — secret ballot vote.

      Rice ultimately won in a lopsided vote of 46-13, though it wasn’t without some drama after some moderate Democrats openly criticized Ocasio-Cortez.

      Just before the Steering Committee moved to vote on the Energy and Commerce slots, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her leadership team presented a slate of their preferred candidates for four out of the five seats.

      But notably, top Democrats did not choose a nominee for the final seat, which is essentially reserved for a New York member — forcing Rice and Ocasio-Cortez into a head-to-head matchup.

      Looks to me like Pelosi deliberately forced a vote on this one seat in order to show AOC how things actually work.  Pelosi does not need AOC for anything any more.

      I have not participated in the JDS/AOC thingy because I just do not care for Dore, he gives off a faint whiff of very early Maher to me, and, bearing in mind that humor is subjective, I never found him funny. Dore does not need me to like him.  I like people other folks don’t like.  Way of the world.  Don’t care about AOC, because even if she was the most stand up progressive in Congress, the Vichy Dems will be inflicting austerity and war upon us.  I figure adoration of AOC is for those who still think the Democratic Party can be changed from within.  Nope.

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      America is not a country, it's just a business. (Brad Pitt, Killing Them Softly)

      Everything I post is just my opinion, and, honestly, I would love to be wrong.

      • #386800
        Ohio Barbarian
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        There was a time, earlier this year, when I didn’t care for Jimmy when he was Bernie-bashing back in, oh, February maybe. He was proven to be right, though, whether I liked him or not.

        There are some people on YouTube who I like but find unwatchable because they ramble all over the place and take forever to make a point. There are others who turned me off with Vote Blue No Matter Who.

        But Jimmy Dore has touched a nerve and started something positive, IMO. Whether he flames out like the guy on Network remains to be seen, but he has utilized modern technology to flame a badly needed revolt on the left. For that, I give him credit, and also give credit to others who quickly realized that his modest proposal is actually very doable, and the failure of the Congressives to get on board is contemptible. IMO, of course.

        We’ll see what happens. I am not optimistic.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #386856
      3fingerbrown
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      I’m at the point where I just sit back and watch what people do, not what they say, so no point in arguing over these pols anymore. It is a pretty depressing state this country is in now. AOC, Bernie, the squad, etc. probably mean well, but money rules America and corrupts or neuters almost everyone, so I don’t expect anything to change for the better until pols stand up for what’s right or the people force them to one way or another. Dore is right on this imo, and it now looks like AOC and the so-called progressives are predictably getting the shaft by Pelosi anyway, so what did they have to lose? The democrat party only represents Blue MAGA now. So happy I did not vote for either the red or blue swamp.

      All governments lie to their citizen's, but only Americans believe theirs.

    • #386982
      snot
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      @Ohio Barbarian!  Keep pointing out the things that matter!

      Destruction is easy; creation is hard, but more interesting.

    • #390048
      JonLP
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      You’re easily swayed by people like Dore.

      I’ll stick with the DSA. I know how to figure this out on my own.

       

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

      • #390161
        Ohio Barbarian
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        This was just a voice vote, but if you go to the audio of that vote, you will not hear one female voice shouting No! You can hear maybe three men. That’s it. She also didn’t even try to get a floor vote, in spite of everything she said beforehand. That’s pretty airtight evidence that she lied about it.

        Yes, Bernie called for 2 grand a month in March, then he voted FOR the CARES Act. He also unconditionally endorsed Joe Biden, who would never go for any kind of UBI. Again, there’s a difference between what Congressives say and what they do. That’s what I’m talking about here. If you want to go on believing in these people, well, I think you’re being a sucker.

        Which sucks. It’s hard to admit. I know, I’ve been suckered big time a few times, and the realization of my suckerness was never pleasant.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #390051
      JonLP
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      I gave nearly $2k to Bernie in the primaries but I don’t have a 2 million dollar house like Jimmy Dore does.

      Let this radicalize you rather than lead you to despair - Mariame Kaba

      Like many public systems, GOP want to rip the battery out + say the whole car doesn’t work, so they can sell it for parts - AOC

      • #390162
        Ohio Barbarian
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        Dore’s support of Tulsi Gabbard has absolutely nothing to do with anything here. You’re trying to shoot down the message by shooting the messenger.

        It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it.--Eugene Debs

        You can jail a revolutionary, but you can't jail the revolution.--Fred Hampton

    • #397223
      MizzGrizz
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      @ohiobarbarian,about AOC.

      She seemed to give off that Elizabeth Warren vibe—talking great but when push came to shove siding with the status quo.

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